I just dropped the price of
the permaculture playing cards
for a wee bit.

 

 

uses include:
- infecting brains with permaculture
- convincing folks that you are not crazy
- gift giving obligations
- stocking stuffer
- gambling distraction
- an hour or two of reading
- find the needle
- find the 26 hidden names

clickity-click-click

  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic

best, simple summary of all things wheaton labs  RSS feed

 
Jocelyn Campbell
master steward
Posts: 4288
Location: Missoula, MT
422
books food preservation forest garden hugelkultur toxin-ectomy
  • Likes 11
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Some folks suggested that how to find the simplest, best information about wheaton labs might be needed. (This came up in the permaculture bootcamp, funny money, free bunks, ideas for growth thread -which is about ways to provide community space, learning/working opportunities, and money for bunks, food and such for residents here.)

wheaton labs is owned by Paul Wheaton and is over 220 acres near Missoula, Montana. It is actually TWO pieces of property, base camp and the lab. Base camp is on-grid, ROCKY, has wifi, and is where Paul and Jocelyn live in the "Fisher Price House." The lab is down a paved, then gravel, then dirt (some times mud adventure!) road, is off-grid (with our solar trailers), no wifi / spotty cell reception, and is where ant village is located.



 

Visiting wheaton labs - this is another summary thread about wheaton labs, with links to these threads:
  • permaculture bootcamp - boots to roots - a way to learn and earn an acre at wheaton labs in about 21 months
  • gapper program 2.0 - gappers are those who are Goofy About Permaculture - it's version 2.0 because this is our second format so far - most folks visit here as a gapper. Info about fees, tours, rides, etc. are in that thread
  • ant village - this is the main community on the lab where "ants" each rent an acre on which to build their own home(s) and food systems
  • deep roots - an alternative to buying land at wheaton labs (sorta like lifetime rent)
  • shallow roots - 3 years - acreage rent of a shorter time frame
  • SEPPers Program - Seriously Excited About Permaculture Pampering - lists our bunk options as part of a paid visit program

  • In general, we prefer that you ask questions in those threads, because odds are others might have the same questions. If, after reading everything, you still have questions, and/or are not comfortable asking a question there, you can e-mail workshop AT richsoil DOT com. (If you're new to the forums, there's a great intro at How Permies.com Works.)

    more about lodging, camping, food, bathroom facilities, work, etc.
  • lodging - besides the bunks for rent or trade for good work (listed in the SEPPers thread above), camping is always an option, for pictures and more info see tenting at wheaton labs. Bring your own camping gear, though we do have limited extras for rent or trade.
  • food - in most cases you are on your own for food. There are community cooking options in Allerton Abbey, others possibly by special arrangement, and, in the winter, feast and shower nights with Paul and Jocelyn in the FPH.
  • toilets - community toilets are the off-grid, unplumbed willow feeders (the willow bank at base camp and the chateau de poo at the lab) and the great outdoors is always an option here for peeing.
  • showers - in the summer (roughly May/June to September), we have the shower shack at base camp. It must be taken offline once freezing weather begins. When the shower shack is not available, weekly showers are available at feast nights at the Fisher Price House. More than weekly access to the plumbed bathroom and shower at the FPH is available by special arrangement (for a price or good work).
  • income/work - there is the opportunity to work for some "bounties" (bounty just means it typically has a per job price instead of an hourly rate) though this has been reduced compared to previous years and we are more interested in trading (ala fysh). See also bounty list - projects I am willing to pay for. We encourage folks to start their own businesses here (homestead or online). We discourage commuting to town for a job.

  • For videos about wheaton labs, see this wheaton labs YouTube playlist.

    More about/from Paul Wheaton and his permaculture philosophies:
  • Community theory - independent / concensus / dictator hybrid
  • Videos - Paul Wheaton's Youtube channel - over 150 videos
  • Podcasts - forum podcast summaries and discussions, or play from podcast blog or search for Paul Wheaton in your podcast app
    Note:  listening to at least 200 podcasts is required before becoming an ant or a deep roots resident, just to be sure you know what you're getting into!
    (or start here:  the top 12 podcasts)
  • Writing/articles by Paul - richsoil.com or paul wheaton's pseudo blog or Paul's MakeitMissoula blog

  • More about wheaton labs and Montana:
  • weather at wheaton labs - from montana winters to the 'August Singularity'
  • food and drink at the project - this is primarily about how Paul and Jocelyn prefer to eat, though touches on feast night meals, food grown here, and more
  • permaculture events at wheaton labs - we now have a wheaton lab workshop & event calendar
  • ----------2017 permaculture design course (aka 'pdc')
    ----------2017 appropriate technology course (aka 'atc')
    ----------October 6-17, 2017 RMH Innovators Event and Jamboree
  • choose your adventure at wheaton labs - potential things to do here
  • cool things about Montana
  • see also the Missoula forum for things to do in town, nearby, restaurant recommendations, and more

  • Thanks to the great info and suggestions in the permaculture bootcamp, funny money, free bunks, ideas for growth thread. I think I covered most of the meta and general questions folks might have. Did I miss something?

    (Please ask questions about the gapper program, the SEPPer program, deep roots, etc., in their respective threads linked above. Thank you!)

     
    Jocelyn Campbell
    master steward
    Posts: 4288
    Location: Missoula, MT
    422
    books food preservation forest garden hugelkultur toxin-ectomy
    • Likes 2
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Dirtpatcheaven keeps adding videos about wheaton labs (which is neat!) so the wheaton labs playlist is being updated continually.

    I'm unable to embed the full playlist, which means the following video is just the first of many. Use wheaton labs playlist to see all of them.



     
    Jocelyn Campbell
    master steward
    Posts: 4288
    Location: Missoula, MT
    422
    books food preservation forest garden hugelkultur toxin-ectomy
    • Likes 3
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Best pictures / visuals of wheaton labs (besides the video playlist above, though some of these are a repeat from the first post):

  • gapper program 2.0 - amazing compilation of photos by Paul in the first post of this thread
  • Evan's ant village log - Evan did/does an amazing job of photo journaling his time as an ant. He's on a bit of a hiatus from what used to be daily posts, but with 24 pages in his thread, most with three pictures each post, I think a break is deserved.
  • Jesse's Ant Village Videos - Jesse has been chronicling his ant village progress with video - his thread is up to five pages long now!
  • a couple of pics - this five page thread has some early pics from three years ago, plus some recent ones, too. Content is admittedly fairly random in this one.
  • Fred's photos from Wheaton Labs - many excellent naturalist style photos of flora and fauna
  • Wildlife at Wheaton Labs - game camera photos of wildlife traveling through the lab
  • SEPPers Program:  Seriously Excited About Permaculture Pampering - listed above, though worth repeating here since Janet included some nice thumbnail pics of wheaton labs rental structures or bunks, complete with links to threads about each structure.
  • tenting at wheaton labs - now listed above - shows the tent pads at base camp at different times of year.
  • maps of wheaton laboratories - these are primarily older maps of the "the lab"



  •  
    Jocelyn Campbell
    master steward
    Posts: 4288
    Location: Missoula, MT
    422
    books food preservation forest garden hugelkultur toxin-ectomy
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Other common questions:

    What about dogs?
  • dogs
  • dog park at wheaton labs - an idea (there isn't one yet)


  • What about kids?
  • kids - note, this is an older thread that is two pages long

  • Probably best to quote Paul from one of his posts in the ant village thread:
    paul wheaton wrote:As for kids, I think we've written about kids here many times. I wish to make it clear that there have been some kids out here that have been just awesome. But for every awesome kid there's been five that have been icky.

    One of the most important things is I am very concerned that people will choose to not try innovations because it could introduce dangerous for children who happened to be walking by. I wish to make it really clear that innovation is 100 times more important then the safety of unsupervised children.

    In fact, I think that's the key phrase unsupervised children. The primary function of this property is permaculture innovation. When children are there, it's very easy of the safety of children take a priority over all of these things. So if a parent comes with assurances that that is not something I need to worry about then I feel far more comfortable.

     
    Jocelyn Campbell
    master steward
    Posts: 4288
    Location: Missoula, MT
    422
    books food preservation forest garden hugelkultur toxin-ectomy
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    I almost forgot about the toxin-ectomy goals here.

    Paul envisions wheaton labs as having the least toxins possible. To this end, base camp and the lab will have differing levels of what and where plastics, paint or other toxins will be allowed. (Because we're all at different levels on the Wheaton Eco Scale.)

    From the discussion about the four pieces at the laboratory, Paul would like the lab divided into four sections like this at some point:

    paul wheaton wrote:
    oehla
    - attempts to promote a lifestyle better than that found on typical organic farms
    - petroleum fuel allowed
    - must have listened to at least 12 podcasts to get on land

    perm
    - ten times "better" than oehla
    - paint is allowed, but not much. Maybe ten times less than you would find on a typical organic farm
    - imported organic matter is allowed (very carefully selected)
    - electric vehicles allowed
    - must have listened to more than 90% of podcasts to get on land

    symboo
    - ten times "better" than perm
    - very little paint is allowed
    - imported organic matter is not allowed
    - limited use of plastic
    - small electric vehicles allowed
    - use of a trac hoe once a year is acceptable.


    husp
    - ten times "better" than symboo
    - zero paint allowed
    - no plastics
    - no galvanized stuff
    - stainless steel and glass are okay
    - no electricity
    - no plumbing
    - nothing is ever burned (no fire, no candles)
    - clothing restrictions (no synthetic fibers, shoes, etc.)
    - no trac hoe



    Though these sections have not yet been defined.

    Some of this is based on Paul’s story/fiction called husp - Horticulture of the United States of Pocahontas.

     
    Kerry Rodgers
    Posts: 122
    Location: North Texas, Dallas area suburbs, US zone 8
    34
    forest garden toxin-ectomy
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Jocelyn Campbell wrote:Though these sections have not yet been defined.


    In the context of Ant Village, I keep wondering how the current uses on the Lab roughly match up to these 4 sections.

    Would you say that, conceptually, Ant Village, Tipi, both wofatis, the lemon tree site are all in Oehla?  Or, asked another way, would the current uses constrain where the boundaries of the 4 sections could eventually be?
     
    Jocelyn Campbell
    master steward
    Posts: 4288
    Location: Missoula, MT
    422
    books food preservation forest garden hugelkultur toxin-ectomy
    • Likes 2
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Kerry Rodgers wrote:
    Jocelyn Campbell wrote:Though these sections have not yet been defined.


    In the context of Ant Village, I keep wondering how the current uses on the Lab roughly match up to these 4 sections.

    Would you say that, conceptually, Ant Village, Tipi, both wofatis, the lemon tree site are all in Oehla?  Or, asked another way, would the current uses constrain where the boundaries of the 4 sections could eventually be?


    Kerry, I am SO sorry no one replied yet! Good questions.

    We are currently thinking the least restrictive section, oehla, would be at the far end of the lab around cooper cabin. We're not sure yet if that section would extend down to encompass ant village, allerton abbey and the tipi. It's possible those areas might have to conform with perm, or even symboo at some point in the (distant?) future.

    Though as you put it, I suppose it's also possible the current uses could be factors in the boundaries. That's up to Paul. Basically the vision is out there to help folks keep their eyes on the prize, so to speak. Paul and I have a long way to go ourselves (living here at base camp in the Fisher Price House!), before we could meet some of the higher standards (for least/lower toxicity) in the more advanced sections.


     
    Jocelyn Campbell
    master steward
    Posts: 4288
    Location: Missoula, MT
    422
    books food preservation forest garden hugelkultur toxin-ectomy
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    We have visitors coming out this year who asked about access to different facilities around here. Here was my quick summary reply:

    gappers or residents - gappers program 2.0 thread
  • winter (into spring?) months - weekly feast nights in the Fisher Price House (FPH) include access to shower, and front loading washing machine*
  • May-Oct (estimated) - outdoor shower shack and (small?) manual laundry machine available any time at base camp
  • responsible for own TP (recycled/natural brands are fine)
  • possible access to 2-burner propane cooktop and small propane oven in Allerton Abbey
  • *residents often use laundromats instead of the FPH washer and/or the washer could be quite busy on feast days

    boots - boots to roots thread
  • 24/7 access to FPH, including kitchen, showers, FPH washing machine, boots fridge
  • TP and food supplied by Paul
  • bunk(s) likely though expect to be portable as bunk priority is given to paying guests, long-term residents/employees, or instructors over boots

  • This is the manual laundry machine mentioned above:


     
    paul wheaton
    master steward
    Posts: 22624
    Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
    bee chicken hugelkultur trees wofati woodworking
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    I merged your stuff with the following thread. I hope that is okay by you.
     
    Joseph Amyotte
    Posts: 1
    Location: Canada
    hugelkultur rabbit tiny house
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Hello Paul . I'm passing through Missoula From Chilliwack BC Canada and would love to drop off my kick starter donation in person.  I tried to sign up for the  PDC  back in January but  had problems with PayPal and the links .im doing Geoffs online PDC at the moment.I booked the time off work anyway so I figured I would drive down and check out Missoula regardless.  I would really love to  check out your place- but I know you are all probably swamped.  I'm fully aware of your aversion to to time wasters so I understand  if it doesn't work-
    Thanks for your time Matthew (Joseph) Amyotte  June 10 2017 8:45
    1604 8193980
    The world needs more people like you -Stay Strong
     
    paul wheaton
    master steward
    Posts: 22624
    Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
    bee chicken hugelkultur trees wofati woodworking
    • Likes 1
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Joseph Amyotte wrote:Hello Paul . I'm passing through Missoula From Chilliwack BC Canada and would love to drop off my kick starter donation in person.  I tried to sign up for the  PDC  back in January but  had problems with PayPal and the links .im doing Geoffs online PDC at the moment.I booked the time off work anyway so I figured I would drive down and check out Missoula regardless.  I would really love to  check out your place- but I know you are all probably swamped.  I'm fully aware of your aversion to to time wasters so I understand  if it doesn't work-
    Thanks for your time Matthew (Joseph) Amyotte  June 10 2017 8:45
    1604 8193980
    The world needs more people like you -Stay Strong


    Hi Joseph!

    I think the first step is to figure out if you are just gonna do the tour, maybe pitch a tent and help out a few days (gapper/boot) ore rent a bunk for a few days (sepper).  Take a look at the top of this thread to get things rolling. 

    The kickstarter has ended, so if you want some of that stuff, we are trying to set up making it available in my digital market stuff:  https://permies.com/f/312/paul-wheaton

     
    paul wheaton
    master steward
    Posts: 22624
    Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
    bee chicken hugelkultur trees wofati woodworking
     
    Mark Tudor
    Posts: 116
    Location: SoCal USA
    13
    bike cat dog tiny house trees
    • Likes 2
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    Great video, and I really like the passive venting of the Trombe wall for Willow Wonka! Heats up during the day and stays warm all night, without maintaining moving parts or electronics is a great idea.
     
    Julia Winter
    steward
    Posts: 2142
    Location: Moved from south central WI to Portland, OR
    194
    bee bike chicken food preservation hugelkultur urban
    • Likes 3
    • Mark post as helpful
    • send pies
    • Quote
    • Report post to moderator
    I love the video, I'm just sad that it looks like they were in a hurry and couldn't go up to the Lab.  It's been a lot of fun watching Justin and his family visit so many interesting places, I'm so glad they came out to wheaton laboratories.
     
    How do they get the deer to cross at the signs? Or to read this tiny ad?
    Video of all the PDC and ATC (~177 hours) - HD instant view
    https://permies.com/wiki/65386/paul-wheaton/digital-market/Video-PDC-ATC-hours-HD
    • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
    • New Topic
    Boost this thread!