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I was recently blessed by a permies member with enough of Sepp Holzer's rye to share. Yay! I'll be sending out packets of 100-200 seeds. If you want one, fill out the form here and I'll be in touch: https://goo.gl/forms/uUSDRjSIAeGMoR9C3.

These seeds are difficult to come by, and I hope we can change that because it is a wonderful plant. If you request a packet, please do you best to grow them out and share with others! I will be asking for $2 through paypal to cover expenses. If you can't use paypal, or if $2 would be a hardship, just note that in the form and I'll send you one anyway.

Here's the master thread on this grain: https://permies.com/t/1316/Sepp-Holzer-perennial-grain

If you want to read just two posts, read the first post of that thread where Paul Wheaton introduces this, and then the post where Maurice van der Molen shared some excellent research: https://permies.com/t/120/1316/Sepp-Holzer-perennial-grain#405677

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Where do you ship from and can you ship to Canada?

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I'm shipping from Washington state, USA. I don't know a lot about international shipping, but if you are interested then fill out the form and I'll figure out if it's possible. It probably is. : )

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Jason Padvorac wrote:I'm shipping from Washington state, USA. I don't know a lot about international shipping, but if you are interested then fill out the form and I'll figure out if it's possible. It probably is. : )



Will do. Thanks

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Hi Jason, I filled out the form and submitted it. Wasn't clear how to do the paypal stuff. Will you be sending a paypal bill/request for payment? If not, what are the details? Thanks
 
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I read that thread awhile ago and love the idea of perennial grains, I hope shipping to Canada is possible:)
 
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Steve Sherman: I'll send you payment details once I work them out.

Rob Clinch: Me too, I'll let you know!

It is important to note that this isn't really a perennial grain - it is grown as a biennial. So it is planted in the spring, mown or grazed two or three times, and harvested for grain the next year. After it makes heads, the plants die.

However, I do have a small quantity of perennial rye originally developed by Tim Peters, and will be crossing it with this. The dream is to get a rye with something like the vigor of Sepp Holzer's, with the true perenniality of Tim Peters'. If that ever happens, I'll post updates and share seed for it. And in any case, hopefully next year I'll have enough of the Tim Peters perennial rye to share.

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Is there a phytosanitary certificate available?

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I don't have a phytosanitary certificate for them - but if you were willing to reimburse the expense I can probably get one (unless they would need to destructively test more than a tiny amount of seed). I just sent an email to my state's rep for that, and will let you know the details. I think it would cost about $75 USD.

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I'll speak with "the department of making you sad" tomorrow and see what I can do about importing it into Australia. I've read the guidelines online and its quite a process.....bah!

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Bah. Good luck!

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10 business days for them to even look at it....FFS. The standard procedure involves a fungicide, they need to grow it first, blah blah blah...ffs....lets see how we go. The seed itself is allowed here.....lets hope common sense prevails

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My word, they have to grow it first? That is involved. Hopefully common sense does prevail, even if it takes a while.

Can you confirm with them how many seeds they'll need to consume in their testing? I'd want to make sure to send enough so that they wouldn't use them all up before approving them...

From my end, it looks like getting the phytosanitary certificate would be $61 USD. If you want to go through with that, I'll message you my paypal info. The seeds would be xrayed, and they "can't guarantee they won't be harmed", but I figure it's okay because if seeds were destroyed in the process of granting a phytosanitary certificate it would kind of be pointless.

Hey, if you manage to get through all the rigamarole, you'll get the privilege of introducing this to a new continent. That's pretty cool. : )

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I told them 200-1000 seeds, but I really have no idea as to the process and how many that might need/utilise to get approved. I'll keep you posted. The more the better in reality given the palarver I suspect I'll have to go through to get it here....

Don't bank on any of this, just do as you would otherwise....Australia closes shop over Christmas for up to 6-8 weeks....I suspect nothing will happen until well into the new year

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Alrighty, all 30 packets are now spoken for! I'll try to get them mailed out in the next week or two. If you didn't get any, post here or message me to get on the list for next year.

Peter: alright, keep me posted.

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Jason Padvorac wrote:Alrighty, all 30 packets are now spoken for! I'll try to get them mailed out in the next week or two. If you didn't get any, post here or message me to get on the list for next year.

Peter: alright, keep me posted.



Thanks Jason. This is a great offer. Let us know how we pay for this.

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Will do, Simone. Thanks!

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I'm sending packets to a few independent seed companies, and the national small grains collection (made available via ARS GRIN for research and breeding). In the next year or two hopefully some of them will grow it out and also start to offer it.

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OMFG what a process. So I need to fill out a 10 page questionnaire, then they decide if I can do this. Then we get some (goes to them), then they grow it, then they decide if they're happy with it. Then I can use it on our place......I'll start with the paperwork and see how we go. Might have things in place for next year!

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Oh my. Well good luck, keep me posted.

And one possible benefit is that after all that, I might have grown it out a generation and could send you more of it.

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Thanks Jason. Looking forward to working with these seeds.

One thing I have discovered about USPS shipping, in some places seeds and plant material can be crushed by the PO's automated processing equipment. Pretty much anything in a plain envelope can be put through their machines and flattened as if by steel rollers. Even stuff that is stamped "Hand Cancel" goes thru the machines. It doesn't seem to happen to/from all locations, but have seen it on stuff I have received a few times.

Stuff that comes in the padded envelopes or boxes has been fine.

If you haven't sent things out yet, something to consider.
 
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Thanks for the heads up! It would be terribly disappointing to send them all out and have them crushed.

I received a packet crushed seeds once, so I always use bubble wrap now. Most of the time I put seeds in bubble wrap of some kind, then in a regular envelope, and that seems to work safely.

We've got a lot of busy family stuff this week, but I'll try to get them out anyway. Or next week. : )

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Peter, once you have the seeds in AU and have it grown out - would you be willing to sell some? And please let us know how the procedure went. You probably pay a hefty fee for them growing it out for you?

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Just got my seeds! Thanks Jason, really looking forward to growing these out!
 
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I got mine also!  thank you so much....I'll be sending $2 in tomorrow's mail as I don't have a paypal account.   Looking forward to spring planting

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Mine arrived today too! Yay!

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Kyle, Judith, and Joylynn, I'm glad to hear it! And Judith, I got your note and the $2. Thank you.

For everybody else - some of the envelopes came back because the post office claimed they were too thick, so I remailed them, and hopefully they will arrive soon.

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Jason, did you mail one to me? Canada will take longer but I am wondering if they didn't pull it at the border.

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I got the seeds, thank you so much!

Where did you all plant yours? From Sepp's book it seems I will have to find the dryest, least fertile place I have. On the other hand I have several friends with properties up on steep slopes that could have a more ideal place, more like the Alps. It feels like it's never going to stop raining here, so it's heartening to know the rye grew so well in the Scottish heathland. Was that region made so barren by logging originally or is it naturally that way? It seems a lot of the NW soil gets to be similarly heavy clay and acidic when logged out and left to weeds.

This is all just my opinion based on a flawed memory

 
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Simone: I did mail the seeds to you, then they came back because the envelope was (supposedly) too thick. I mailed them again, but there was a bit of a delay before I did. I recently mailed a parcel to Canada, and they said it should take about 10 days - I mailed the seeds again 5 days ago, so I'd expect you to get yours within a week! FIngers crossed.

Ben: Wonderful! I hope they grow well for you.

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Jason Padvorac wrote:Simone: I did mail the seeds to you, then they came back because the envelope was (supposedly) too thick. I mailed them again, but there was a bit of a delay before I did. I recently mailed a parcel to Canada, and they said it should take about 10 days - I mailed the seeds again 5 days ago, so I'd expect you to get yours within a week! FIngers crossed.

Ben: Wonderful! I hope they grow well for you.



Great thanks! I will keep an eye on the mail box and report back

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Jason, I got them today!! Thanks again.

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My seeds have made it to the east coast! Thank you very much Jason, I will send payment tomorrow. I am excited to get them in the ground. I'd be interested to hear how everyone plans on growing theirs out, but that may be better left to a different thread.
 
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Got mine too. Thanks.

Jason how do you want to receive payment? If you take Paypal let me/us know an acct.
 
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I have the first one coming up! It's about 3 inches long and the only one so far. There is life

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Hi Jason,

Thank you so much for doing this! I'd like to get on your 'future distribution list' if that is still a thing.

Cheers!

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Sure thing, Ash! If you go to my website, in the sidebar there is an email signup box: http://jasonpadvorac.com/

Sign up there, and I'll keep you posted about this project, and my other permaculture grain projects (mostly perennial wheat, rye, and oats). I raaaaaarely send updates, but should at least once every six months hopefully.

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Done! Thank you, Jason.

Your blog looks great! I hope to do a detailed ride-along blog once I can get started in earnest, like you are doing.

Best of luck to you!

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Does anyone have an update to share on there Sepp Rye? Mine did not over winter for me. We had a wet and somewhat warmer winter this year, and as I’m on a smallish island we had little snowcover. I’m not sure if those conditions contributed to them not making it through the winter or not.  How did everyone else’s do so far?
 
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