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Seeds available for Sepp Holzer's rye
Jason Padvorac
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Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 6 months ago
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I was recently blessed by a permies member with enough of sepp holzer's rye to share. Yay! I'll be sending out packets of 100-200 seeds. If you want one, fill out the form here and I'll be in touch: https://goo.gl/forms/uUSDRjSIAeGMoR9C3.
These seeds are difficult to come by, and I hope we can change that because it is a wonderful plant. If you request a packet, please do you best to grow them out and share with others! I will be asking for $2 through paypal to cover expenses. If you can't use paypal, or if $2 would be a hardship, just note that in the form and I'll send you one anyway.
Here's the master thread on this grain: https://permies.com/t/1316/Sepp-Holzer-perennial-grain
If you want to read just two posts, read the first post of that thread where Paul Wheaton introduces this, and then the post where Maurice van der Molen shared some excellent research: https://permies.com/t/120/1316/Sepp-Holzer-perennial-grain#405677
Cheers!
These seeds are difficult to come by, and I hope we can change that because it is a wonderful plant. If you request a packet, please do you best to grow them out and share with others! I will be asking for $2 through paypal to cover expenses. If you can't use paypal, or if $2 would be a hardship, just note that in the form and I'll send you one anyway.
Here's the master thread on this grain: https://permies.com/t/1316/Sepp-Holzer-perennial-grain
If you want to read just two posts, read the first post of that thread where Paul Wheaton introduces this, and then the post where Maurice van der Molen shared some excellent research: https://permies.com/t/120/1316/Sepp-Holzer-perennial-grain#405677
Cheers!
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
Simone Gar
Posts: 160
Location: Alberta, zone 3
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Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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I'm shipping from Washington state, USA. I don't know a lot about international shipping, but if you are interested then fill out the form and I'll figure out if it's possible. It probably is. : )
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
Simone Gar
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Location: Alberta, zone 3
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Steve Sherman
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posted 6 months ago
I read that thread awhile ago and love the idea of perennial grains, I hope shipping to Canada is possible
Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 6 months ago
Steve Sherman: I'll send you payment details once I work them out.
Rob Clinch: Me too, I'll let you know!
It is important to note that this isn't really a perennial grain - it is grown as a biennial. So it is planted in the spring, mown or grazed two or three times, and harvested for grain the next year. After it makes heads, the plants die.
However, I do have a small quantity of perennial rye originally developed by Tim Peters, and will be crossing it with this. The dream is to get a rye with something like the vigor of sepp holzer's, with the true perenniality of Tim Peters'. If that ever happens, I'll post updates and share seed for it. And in any case, hopefully next year I'll have enough of the Tim Peters perennial rye to share.
Rob Clinch: Me too, I'll let you know!
It is important to note that this isn't really a perennial grain - it is grown as a biennial. So it is planted in the spring, mown or grazed two or three times, and harvested for grain the next year. After it makes heads, the plants die.
However, I do have a small quantity of perennial rye originally developed by Tim Peters, and will be crossing it with this. The dream is to get a rye with something like the vigor of sepp holzer's, with the true perenniality of Tim Peters'. If that ever happens, I'll post updates and share seed for it. And in any case, hopefully next year I'll have enough of the Tim Peters perennial rye to share.
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 6 months ago
I don't have a phytosanitary certificate for them - but if you were willing to reimburse the expense I can probably get one (unless they would need to destructively test more than a tiny amount of seed). I just sent an email to my state's rep for that, and will let you know the details. I think it would cost about $75 USD.
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 6 months ago
Bah. Good luck!
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posted 6 months ago
10 business days for them to even look at it....FFS. The standard procedure involves a fungicide, they need to grow it first, blah blah blah...ffs....lets see how we go. The seed itself is allowed here.....lets hope common sense prevails
"What is worth knowing, is difficult to learn"
Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 6 months ago
My word, they have to grow it first? That is involved. Hopefully common sense does prevail, even if it takes a while.
Can you confirm with them how many seeds they'll need to consume in their testing? I'd want to make sure to send enough so that they wouldn't use them all up before approving them...
From my end, it looks like getting the phytosanitary certificate would be $61 USD. If you want to go through with that, I'll message you my paypal info. The seeds would be xrayed, and they "can't guarantee they won't be harmed", but I figure it's okay because if seeds were destroyed in the process of granting a phytosanitary certificate it would kind of be pointless.
Hey, if you manage to get through all the rigamarole, you'll get the privilege of introducing this to a new continent. That's pretty cool. : )
Can you confirm with them how many seeds they'll need to consume in their testing? I'd want to make sure to send enough so that they wouldn't use them all up before approving them...
From my end, it looks like getting the phytosanitary certificate would be $61 USD. If you want to go through with that, I'll message you my paypal info. The seeds would be xrayed, and they "can't guarantee they won't be harmed", but I figure it's okay because if seeds were destroyed in the process of granting a phytosanitary certificate it would kind of be pointless.
Hey, if you manage to get through all the rigamarole, you'll get the privilege of introducing this to a new continent. That's pretty cool. : )
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
posted 6 months ago
I told them 200-1000 seeds, but I really have no idea as to the process and how many that might need/utilise to get approved. I'll keep you posted. The more the better in reality given the palarver I suspect I'll have to go through to get it here....
Don't bank on any of this, just do as you would otherwise....Australia closes shop over Christmas for up to 6-8 weeks....I suspect nothing will happen until well into the new year
Cheers,
Peter
Don't bank on any of this, just do as you would otherwise....Australia closes shop over Christmas for up to 6-8 weeks....I suspect nothing will happen until well into the new year
Cheers,
Peter
"What is worth knowing, is difficult to learn"
Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 6 months ago
Alrighty, all 30 packets are now spoken for! I'll try to get them mailed out in the next week or two. If you didn't get any, post here or message me to get on the list for next year.
Peter: alright, keep me posted.
Peter: alright, keep me posted.
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
Simone Gar
Posts: 160
Location: Alberta, zone 3
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posted 6 months ago
Thanks Jason. This is a great offer. Let us know how we pay for this.
Jason Padvorac wrote:Alrighty, all 30 packets are now spoken for! I'll try to get them mailed out in the next week or two. If you didn't get any, post here or message me to get on the list for next year.
Peter: alright, keep me posted.
Thanks Jason. This is a great offer. Let us know how we pay for this.
Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 6 months ago
Will do, Simone. Thanks!
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 6 months ago
I'm sending packets to a few independent seed companies, and the national small grains collection (made available via ARS GRIN for research and breeding). In the next year or two hopefully some of them will grow it out and also start to offer it.
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
posted 6 months ago
OMFG what a process. So I need to fill out a 10 page questionnaire, then they decide if I can do this. Then we get some (goes to them), then they grow it, then they decide if they're happy with it. Then I can use it on our place......I'll start with the paperwork and see how we go. Might have things in place for next year!
"What is worth knowing, is difficult to learn"
Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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Oh my. Well good luck, keep me posted.
And one possible benefit is that after all that, I might have grown it out a generation and could send you more of it.
And one possible benefit is that after all that, I might have grown it out a generation and could send you more of it.
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
Steve Sherman
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posted 6 months ago
Thanks Jason. Looking forward to working with these seeds.
One thing I have discovered about USPS shipping, in some places seeds and plant material can be crushed by the PO's automated processing equipment. Pretty much anything in a plain envelope can be put through their machines and flattened as if by steel rollers. Even stuff that is stamped "Hand Cancel" goes thru the machines. It doesn't seem to happen to/from all locations, but have seen it on stuff I have received a few times.
Stuff that comes in the padded envelopes or boxes has been fine.
If you haven't sent things out yet, something to consider.
One thing I have discovered about USPS shipping, in some places seeds and plant material can be crushed by the PO's automated processing equipment. Pretty much anything in a plain envelope can be put through their machines and flattened as if by steel rollers. Even stuff that is stamped "Hand Cancel" goes thru the machines. It doesn't seem to happen to/from all locations, but have seen it on stuff I have received a few times.
Stuff that comes in the padded envelopes or boxes has been fine.
If you haven't sent things out yet, something to consider.
Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 6 months ago
Thanks for the heads up! It would be terribly disappointing to send them all out and have them crushed.
I received a packet crushed seeds once, so I always use bubble wrap now. Most of the time I put seeds in bubble wrap of some kind, then in a regular envelope, and that seems to work safely.
We've got a lot of busy family stuff this week, but I'll try to get them out anyway. Or next week. : )
I received a packet crushed seeds once, so I always use bubble wrap now. Most of the time I put seeds in bubble wrap of some kind, then in a regular envelope, and that seems to work safely.
We've got a lot of busy family stuff this week, but I'll try to get them out anyway. Or next week. : )
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
Angelika Maier
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posted 6 months ago
Peter, once you have the seeds in AU and have it grown out - would you be willing to sell some? And please let us know how the procedure went. You probably pay a hefty fee for them growing it out for you?
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Kyle Emory
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Judith Browning
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Joylynn Hardesty
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Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 4 months ago
Kyle, Judith, and Joylynn, I'm glad to hear it! And Judith, I got your note and the $2. Thank you.
For everybody else - some of the envelopes came back because the post office claimed they were too thick, so I remailed them, and hopefully they will arrive soon.
For everybody else - some of the envelopes came back because the post office claimed they were too thick, so I remailed them, and hopefully they will arrive soon.
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
Simone Gar
Posts: 160
Location: Alberta, zone 3
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posted 4 months ago
I got the seeds, thank you so much!
Where did you all plant yours? From Sepp's book it seems I will have to find the dryest, least fertile place I have. On the other hand I have several friends with properties up on steep slopes that could have a more ideal place, more like the Alps. It feels like it's never going to stop raining here, so it's heartening to know the rye grew so well in the Scottish heathland. Was that region made so barren by logging originally or is it naturally that way? It seems a lot of the NW soil gets to be similarly heavy clay and acidic when logged out and left to weeds.
Where did you all plant yours? From Sepp's book it seems I will have to find the dryest, least fertile place I have. On the other hand I have several friends with properties up on steep slopes that could have a more ideal place, more like the Alps. It feels like it's never going to stop raining here, so it's heartening to know the rye grew so well in the Scottish heathland. Was that region made so barren by logging originally or is it naturally that way? It seems a lot of the NW soil gets to be similarly heavy clay and acidic when logged out and left to weeds.
Jason Padvorac
Posts: 103
Location: Northeast of Seattle, zone 8: temperate with rainy winters and dry summers.
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posted 4 months ago
Simone: I did mail the seeds to you, then they came back because the envelope was (supposedly) too thick. I mailed them again, but there was a bit of a delay before I did. I recently mailed a parcel to Canada, and they said it should take about 10 days - I mailed the seeds again 5 days ago, so I'd expect you to get yours within a week! FIngers crossed.
Ben: Wonderful! I hope they grow well for you.
Ben: Wonderful! I hope they grow well for you.
Permaculture market farming, plant breeding and perennial grains: http://jasonpadvorac.com
Simone Gar
Posts: 160
Location: Alberta, zone 3
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posted 4 months ago
Great thanks! I will keep an eye on the mail box and report back
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Jason Padvorac wrote:Simone: I did mail the seeds to you, then they came back because the envelope was (supposedly) too thick. I mailed them again, but there was a bit of a delay before I did. I recently mailed a parcel to Canada, and they said it should take about 10 days - I mailed the seeds again 5 days ago, so I'd expect you to get yours within a week! FIngers crossed.
Ben: Wonderful! I hope they grow well for you.
Great thanks! I will keep an eye on the mail box and report back
Simone Gar
Posts: 160
Location: Alberta, zone 3
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posted 4 months ago
My seeds have made it to the east coast! Thank you very much Jason, I will send payment tomorrow. I am excited to get them in the ground. I'd be interested to hear how everyone plans on growing theirs out, but that may be better left to a different thread.
Steve Sherman
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