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This is, like, the least of anyone's priorities, but I've wondered about this for years. Why are there so many repetitions on the emoticons? And when I click What do these icons mean?, I get taken to the Java Ranch site, where there many more, and different little emoticons/graemlins. Is there an easy way to get some of their awesome emoticons over here? And, if not, maybe the link should go somewhere else, so it doesn't say, "The following graemlins are currently supported" when they don't appear to be supported here on permies...
 
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I find emoji very confusing.  I'm glad there are so few. 
 
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I could skip the emoticons. I may use a smiley once in a while but I can forget them.
 
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As someone who uses facial expressions (and hand gestures) a lot, I find the emoticons a way to express emotions or tone of voice that I can't always convey with words. Some with aspergers/autism use little or no gestures or facial expressions, while others aspies use exaggerated ones--I fit in the latter category. And, sometimes it's just fun to post the silly emoticons.

But, yes, sometimes they are confusing, and sometimes people seem to use them passive aggressively. And, I do find them mildly annoying when people post three or more emoticons in a row as a way of replying versus using words. The multiple-emoticons-in-a-row is something I see a lot of on facebook. But, maybe that way the only way they could think of to express something when they couldn't quite find the words?

Even with all their downsides, I'd be really sad if they vanished entirely.
 
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I greatly dislike emoticons.  Personally, I'd rather read ": wink :" than see a winking emoji.  It accomplishes the same thing, while appearing (to me) much less, I don't know, childish.  (I'm not calling emoji users childish, just stating that I think the emojis themselves look childish.)  Seems like a failure in communication if we can't get ideas across with words rather than smiley faces.  On forums that tend toward extreme defensiveness and that operate with a general lack of respect toward others, I can see how emojis might disarm a situation, or convey nuance to avoid misunderstandings.  But it seems things operate differently here, and as such those tools are needed less, if at all.

On a practical note, I have been on forums where it seems entire conversations are had with about 30% text and 70% emojis.  It makes my head hurt.  And I think it renders the threads nearly useless.  At the very least, replying to a post or a thread with nothing but emojis (or little more than) should be disallowed.  There is nothing constructive in someone posting nothing but a smiley face or some such nonsense just to let people know he or she likes something.  But then, I'm a grump.

On another (more?) practical note, I find it mildly (or incredibly, depending on mood) irritating when someone is making a list using numbers and an end parenthesis, and when they get to number eight the software automatically changes it to that stupid guy with sunglasses.  If your list goes beyond seven points, use periods or dashes after the numerals, for all our sakes!

 
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when they get to number eight the software automatically changes it to that stupid guy with sunglasses.


Anyone who likes can check the box below the text when posting that says 'disable smilies in this message'.  I guess it needs to be done for each post.  I think I remember that it carries over into anyone elses post who might 'quote' that post also and not the whole thread.

Maybe permanent disabling for individual users could be a pie perk?

I don't mind them...kind of like the animated ones...I don't notice anyone here using only that, usually just for emphasis or reassurance. 

I have certain words that bug me like 'crafter' and 'hobby' and probably some others <grin> but the emojis seem pretty harmless to me.
 
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You should be able to disable smilies/emoticons by going to "My Profile," clicking "Preferences" and then unclicking "Allow Smilies." At least, I'm assuming that's what that setting means...

Edit: Well, I unclicked "Allow Smilies," and I can still see them in this thread  . Hmmmmmm, now I'm wondering what that setting does!

Edit #2: Looks like unlclicking "Allow Smilies" in profile preferences also doesn't disable them when I post, as the confused face still went through when I had "Allow Smilies" unclicked.
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Where the button is to disable smilies
 
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You should be able to disable smilies/emoticons by going to "My Profile," clicking "Preferences" and then unclicking "Allow Smilies."


and there it's been all the time...thanks Nicole   I remember when I first was here at permies and saw 'disable smilies' when typing a reply, I read it 'disable similes' and thought how cool is that, but why?
 
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Looks like unlclicking "Allow Smilies" in profile preferences also doesn't disable them when I post, as the confused face still went through when I had "Allow Smilies" unclicked.


Funny it says 'allow smiles' not 'allow smilies'  ...wonder what it means? I never knew what some of those others meant either...like 'BB codes' (I allow) and 'HTML' (I don't allow) and I don't have a clue why, that is how it was already checked in my profile.  And I 'allow smiles' apparently 
 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:Why are there so many repetitions on the emoticons?


There looks to be about 20+ redundant ones and some that are broken or mislabeled.

Wes Hunter wrote:There is nothing constructive in someone posting nothing but a smiley face or some such nonsense just to let people know he or she likes something.


The whole "reaction" concept is a bad one, where people see a post and just reply with emojis, that's how people start to lose communication skills after awhile. Example of Reactions
Using the topic as pseudo-evidence though, I don't think the audience at permies would ever start posting with mass-emoji replies even if more were available, so not much of a concern there as I see it.

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I am annoyed at how emoticons are overused in general these days aswell, and animated/flashing ones are really annoying, but I don't see that as a reason to not have emoticons around at all.

We seem to have a standard set on permies right now: mad, sad, happy, wink, tongue-out, confused, grin, tears, embarrassed etc. Nicole, which specific emoticons do you feel we are missing here?

Something I've seen on other forums is that they trade quantity for quality. Grabbing inspiration from a Paul quote about making the world a better place, perhaps a few emoticons could be added in the future which revolve around that concept. Something as simple as a peace sign, heart, world, a tree(?) etc, or even a few permaculture based-ones. That would be a compromise in that those shouldn't be as confusing to understand, while at the same time giving some users additional visual-tools to aid them in expressing themselves fully.
 
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Jarret Hynd wrote:

The whole "reaction" concept is a bad one, where people see a post and just reply with emojis, that's how people start to lose communication skills after awhile. Example of Reactions
Using the topic as pseudo-evidence though, I don't think the audience at permies would ever start posting with mass-emoji replies even if more were available, so not much of a concern there as I see it.



Have you noticed how few of these chaffy posts we have on permies?  The staff work hard to discourage this kind of posting - instead, we encourage useful content.

 
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I have a lot of trouble with emoji.  It feels like reading pictures and reading words take very different parts of my brain - parts that cannot work together.  When I read a thread, I read the words first, then I come back the next day and read the pictures. 

Reading text, I skip past emoji.  I do my best to tune it out because if I start looking at them, then I loose the meaning of the sentence trying to figure out what facial expression the emoji has.  When an emoji is used to set the 'tone' of a post, it is lost on me.

happy face
extra happy face
sad face
confused
are pretty obvious.  Not sure what the rest of them mean.

This might be a function of my dyslexia.  Then again, about 20% of English native speakers, have a language disability (not including people who develop language challenges later in life).  Then there are people who learned English as a second language.  Facial expressions mean different things in different parts of the world.   might be completely different to other people.  To me, it means extra happy.  In some cultures showing one's teeth is considered aggression so this might mean 'i'm challenging you'. 

With words, we can look up translations and definitions.  They aren't perfect, but they are easier for me to understand. 
 
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r ranson wrote:
Jarret Hynd wrote:

The whole "reaction" concept is a bad one, where people see a post and just reply with emojis, that's how people start to lose communication skills after awhile. Example of Reactions
Using the topic as pseudo-evidence though, I don't think the audience at permies would ever start posting with mass-emoji replies even if more were available, so not much of a concern there as I see it.



Have you noticed how few of these chaffy posts we have on permies?  The staff work hard to discourage this kind of posting - instead, we encourage useful content.



I do know from other forum experiences that moderation is a real blessing when done right and most of the work is unseen&thankless, so genuinely, thanks for the work that is put into maintaining the integrity of this site. I've been on forums where spambots' posts take days to remove or there is some "neutral" stance by moderators where anyone can say anything they want which causes more problems than it's worth. It's a joy to be able to log onto permies and not have to mentally filter all that useless stuff. Going slightly off-topic, but a nice reminder for users who don't tend to think about that aspect of managing a site.
 
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I have a lot of trouble with emoji.  It feels like reading pictures and reading words take very different parts of my brain - parts that cannot work together.  When I read a thread, I read the words first, then I come back the next day and read the pictures.

Reading text, I skip past emoji.  I do my best to tune it out because if I start looking at them, then I loose the meaning of the sentence trying to figure out what facial expression the emoji has.  When an emoji is used to set the 'tone' of a post, it is lost on me.


Great to have a different perspective....I didn't realize that something I see as completely innocuous could cause that much difficulty so that's good to know.  I will certainly think before 'emoting' from now on...although I'll admit, I had an impulse to add a smiling image after that sentence. 

I need to break my habit of run on sentences also I think... <grin>

 
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