if you can regenerate decaying teeth maybe you can cure most things

if you sort the tooth decay you will likely sort and prevents loads more illness

if you have cavities and amalgam fillings and dont trust the dental medical establishment here are some tips may be of interest

big part of transition to permie culture is self medication and boycott medical establishment, as far as possible, well maybe an odd stitch up is handy

just because methods worked for me doesn't guarantee they will for others and proceed with caution

ive regenerated 3 teeth, 2 molars 1 canine in last few tears, all had bad abcesses but took me about 2 years to restore 1 canine worst of abscess gone in a few weeks but came back few times

everyone thought I was mad especially dentist when i refused extraction on 3 teeth, teeth have re enamelled and no bother or abcess since, gum was numb but nerve seems to have regenerated

biofilms

breakthrough came when i realised all infections and most chronic diseases have a biofilm origin



if the biofilm  theory is correct then most antibiotics are useless as cannot penetrate biofilm

negative green energy also good for breaking up biofilm and oral pathogens but that needs expert training, that helped me a lot with pain relief

DE

not many natural substances can break a biofilm, i have found apple cider vinegar, bicarbonate of soda good for all household including laundry, but nothing surpasses solution of DE (Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth) for internal biofilms

DE has opposite polarity to all pathogens so attracts chelates and binds them. good for mercury amalgams dont get them out just chelate and let them fall out

also helps get rid of parasite pathogens toxoplasmosis, lymes which frequent biofilms

brushing once per month with DE heavy solution like mud and mouth washing after every meal with light DE solution keeps infections at bay, great for shining whitening teeth but dont overdo it,

detoxification therapy is important for oral regen

epson salt baths, sauna, steam etc, always take few mouthfuls light solution DE after any detox and put in bath with bicarb epson salts, dead sea salts to chelate any toxins and avoid any herxheimer reaction or auto toxaemia

ormus

ormus monatomic elements also help with tooth regeneration

eat a lot of naturally occuring ormus foods, seaweed, aloe vera, ferments see subtleenergies.com more info on ormus, i dont test good for man made ormus and generally dont recommend them

grow your own aloe vera, keep a lump in mouth next to cavity, that helps a lot with regen big time, aloe helps with leaky gut as well

water must be structured virgin spring, ideally exclusion zone water and with edible non polluted seaweed left to ferment for 24 hours on + energy vortex for optimum ormus trace elements, stir the DE clockwise X3 and leave to sit on + energy line vortex to increase ormus, magnetic ormus trap water may be good but if you not near spring

use this energised water for or cool clean air inhale through teeth pain relief, only took a pain killer once in last 5 years for dental pain


get your intolerances sorted

its possible to be intolerant of your bed chair or house energetic location if you live in natural geopathic stress zone or electro smog (wifi, cell towers, using mobile phone) you will find any regenerative therapy difficult, geopathic stress is another understood origin of western chronic disease, get your site house tested by dowser, use energy tools,

tooth decay is major source along with leaky gut and along with grain food environmental intolerances a source of gut microbiome dysbiosis which is source of most western chronic disease,

get your gut health sorted and intestinal walls cleaned out use soaked fermented oats groats (test fot tolerance) cooked in steel pressure cooker to minimise auto immune effects with dulse and veg as soup eat for few days until, faeces go from smelly dark brown to sandy coloured sweet smelling almost but not quite good enough to eat,

eat a lot of natural ferments and test everything you eat for intolerance,

read up on gut microbiome and auto immune disease

also get everthing you wear, everything in your house tested for intolerances, fungal spores from dampness carpets are a big one to avoid if possible

variations of above therapy helps with a lot of chronic disease, lymes, multiple sclerosis, dementia, arthritis etc but be cautious always seek advice of sympathetic alternative health professional

always use muscle testing or pendulum to test for suitability dosage frequency for all self medication

other benefits grey hair disappears, more energy vitality libido, all my skin moles have turned lighter some disappeared, old aches pains gone, saved a fortune in dental medical costs, cant grow a beer belly no matter how hard i try

g'luck keep smiling, even with a mouthful of cavities

Interesting stuff, especially the bit about intolerances.  That's something I'm very interested in.

I'm curious if this is from your own experiences or of someone you know.  Some of these treatments I've tried in my own healing, some of them work, but some of them made things worse.  My most useful thing was removing the things in my life that my body reacted to like modern foods and replacing them with things grown in my own garden.  Some plants like aloe vera, my body reacts very badly too - coming out in blisters, so I don't think I'll be putting that in my mouth.  The schezwan pepper tree, on the other hand, works well for me when reducing inflammation and pain from a bad tooth.  

A couple of threads that might be useful.

here is a great thread about Alternatives to Dentists by Marjory Wildcraft

here's a great big thread about diatomaceous earth with lots of first-hand accounts on how useful it is

Hey, I'm with you on the natural fermented food, I do think that is an essential part of human diets that we haven't been eating in the past 50 years (or more).  I can see how diatomaceous earth could help break up biofilms on/in your teeth, and it's true that if your teeth aren't being broken down then they are busy repairing themselves.

Something I was taught by dentists is that every minute you have sugars in your mouth, your teeth are being broken down by the bacteria that love sugar and live on your teeth.  Every minute you have nothing in your mouth, or clear water, your teeth are repairing the damage that was done to them.

I've personally been brushing my teeth with a hydrogen peroxide solution twice a day for over twenty years and find that it's very helpful - haven't had a cavity since I started that habit, and I have a mouthful of metal from my youth - not the best teeth to start with.  I started with hydrogen peroxide and baking soda, but I'm a wimp and I didn't like the taste of baking soda.  I found that just hydrogen peroxide works well.  I used drugstore H2O2 for years until my sister told me I should get food quality H2O2 (she drinks a small amount of a dilute solution daily, but I never picked up that habit).  

I'm confused about the idea that pathogens have polarity.

I do think that radical lifestyle changes can reverse premature graying of hair, I remember a story about Steve Martin getting onto a super healthy diet with megadoses of vitamins and then his hair started growing in brown, but at my age I'm pretty sure nothing is going to make my gray hair disappear!

hi ranson

thanks for the links on dentistry and DE, ill check them out

yes these were my own experiences, just to piss the dentist off

you mention some things you took for self healing made you worse, i know its a bit of a pain in the self medication path

thats why i strongly recommend self testing, i use a pendulum a lot to test nearly everything from i do, eat, people, places, its takes a bit of time and effort but you can get quite accurate results even remotely

if a pendulum not your thing try muscle testing, you can do even with 2 fingers, i dig out a you tube clip later if you interested

yes about the aloe vera ive seen some bad reactions, sometimes theres no reaction to a bad thing thats why the self testing was a brekthrough for me

illl look up the schezwan pepper tree thanks

ops, look like I got my spelling wrong about that tree.  Here's a a thread about szechuan pepper trees.  I have a strong affinity for this plant even if it is spiky and hurts me when I gather from it.  The leaves and fruit seem good for localized pain relief and they taste amazing.  

Szechuan peppers

they tested quite positive for me around 80% where 100% most optimal 1% least but not more than 1 corn every 3 days, first meal in the day, ripe cornss only those black ones in pic test best avoided until ripe

they feel like i should class they as an asian adaptogen, i will take them along with others eg asafoetida, ashwagandha, live tumeric root

a great addition to me spicey soup and curry list thanks

hi julia

interesting about hydrogen peroxide and teeth brushing, i remember i looked quite a bit into ozone generators and hydrogen peroxide in baths

i know they can break up biofilms and promote anti oxidants and immune response but my research indicates that dosage as ever is critical, ive heard some people getting too much oxidation and accerelated ageing

what make of hydrogen peroxide dosage do you use, do you find it works well, have you tried DE strong solution see above just might be safer

when i do detox therapy i use niacin flushing before sauna baths no more than enough just to precipitate red flushing action that means stored lipids being broken down, i just use a pendulum to iniate a mild oxidation reaction and take DE mild solution to help promote anti oxidants and immune response and chelate especially mercury from amalgam fillings stored in fat

Rob - It sounds like you've spent some time doing some research and gaining some experience on this subject.

Real quick......
Check out Chaga as another adaptogen, among many other benefits.  It's very effective, I began noticing it within three days.  I take about an oz/shotglass/swig, three or so times per day.  I brew it in my crockpot overnight.  8oz. of chaga to 1 qt of water.  I leave the chaga as a chunk instead of grinding it to a powder.

I agree..."if you can regenerate decaying teeth"....then you can regenerate anything.  Humans have a species appropriate diet, and the closer we eat that way the more regeneration/cleansing/healing we will experience.  Google Pottengers cats to see what happens when an organism, "cats", are fed cooked inappropriate foods compared to species appropriate raw foods.  The same happens to all organisms.

Dr. Morse is a naturopath who specializes in helping people detox and regenerate.  He's seen missing vertebrae grow in.  He's seen crushed vertebrae regenerate.  Paraplegics get out of their chair and walking.  Quadraplegic getting out of her chair and now crawling around.  A former accident 30 years prior that left a femur in a 15 degree angle from the break, straightening.  A man bouncing off the water after his parachute didn't open who was paralyzed now walking again.

The list goes on, but those are some of the stories I tend to listen to.  The parachute man is on youtube somewhere.  He actually went a step further and began dry fasting to really speed up the healing.

Hilde Larsen has followed the advice of Dr. Morse and has a few books.  Know the Truth and get Healthy has a good toothpaste and mouthwash recipe in it.  It's basically essential oils and clay.  She mentions her story of having an unhealthy mouth to where the dentist is astonished at how healthy her mouth is now.  Most dentists have no clue that you can detox cavities away, so it's always a shock to them when someone that had an unhealthy mouth full of cavities shows up with a very healthy clean mouth and no more cavities.

Fasting will regenerate the body very rapidly, especially dry fasting.  But you must have experience with fasting before jumping into a dry fast...I would suggest.  I prefer juice fasting/feasting over water fasting, then add in some days of dry fasting while juice fasting.  Loren Lockman has some videos on youtube where he talks about his experience with fasting and how the amalgam fillings in his mouth fell out during a fast.  He did a blood toxicity test afterwards to see if he had any metal in his body and there was none.  So his body got to the point to where it began kicking out foreign objects.  He water fasts, and I would advise that you juice fast.

The gut microbes...from what I've learned, there is a different microbe that prefers each different type of produce.  So an apple will have different microbes on it than cabbage.  And the eating of those in their raw state, "of course from the garden is best", will get those microbes from the surface of the produce into the gut.  Fermented food populates the gut with only a couple or so different types of microbes.  And it works to a degree, although it seems to work best on a cooked food diet.  But if you eat a simple raw diet then your gut will populate with a plethora of different microbes from all the varied produce.

The DE definitely cuts through that biofilm.  I did a three day juice fast with very little juice throughout the day, and I would take a couple TBS of DE in water 3-5 times per day.  After that fast I noticed that the herbs I had been taking were much more effective.

Clay is another thing that is good for the health of the mouth.  Clay also has a polarity that attracts pathogens.

Brushing with essential oils are great for the health of the mouth.  Peppermint, clove, frankincense, myrrh

Everyone that has changed their diet and now eats very clean tend to express the same thing when they go to the dentist.  They say that the dentist always comments on how healthy their mouth is...and they're typically shocked that their mouths were able cleanse and regenerate at such a level.

If you are eating very clean and healthy....the produce/fruit will naturally clean the teeth.  I learned this from I think?? Loren Lockman.  I've experienced this myself...one fall I was out on my horse eating apples from trees on old homesteads that were long gone.  I noticed that my teeth were squeaky clean after eating all those apples.

Thanks for the thoughts on DE, I had never considered using it in a tooth powder or poultice

My experience with Dentists has been far worse than my experience with natural healing, even though at one point a toothache got bad enough that I ended up with some "permanent" hearing problems--greatly increased tinnitus from the infection. Dentists on the other hand have ruined my entire mouth, and it took years of a pretty clean diet to get my teeth quiet (the few that I have left)

There are a few herbs I have found to be very useful when treating myself,

garlic--best antibiotic/antiviral- great internally, I have water in my mouth then pop in a clove and chew it up (this way it doesn't burn). Capsules and dried or cooked garlic are a poor second best way to use it since one of the more powerful antibiotic compounds is created when the cell walls are destroyed mixing other phytochemicals together--this compound is short lived and oxidizes easily.  Garlic is also a primary liver tonic herb and deserves a high place in the super foods category.

Goldenseal-- another very potent antibiotic (this was what finally eliminated that extreme infection I mentioned earlier)  It also has proven useful with recurrences of Lyme disease. A couple tablespoons of the powder three or four times a day to start is what I use (160 lbs), then taper off fairly rapidly.   Note that this herb is one I hold in reserve, an essential element for actual severe challenges, but not for use as a tonic herb or minor complaints. I do  include it in poultices occasionally

White Oak Bark powder--this is a slow acting antibiotic, and useful for gum disease. as a poultice it is Astringent, tightens loose gums, and feeds organic calcium to the tissues. (this can discolor teeth if the poultice is not stiff enough

Clove oil This would be the main herb I would use to break the biofilm mentioned above, it's best use is as an antiseptic cleanser although it also is used as a numbing agent. It is a common ingredient in tooth powders, and I also use it in the oak bark poultice--caution, a little dab'll do ya

Prickly Ash- the North American toothache tree with a long standing reputation for mouth problems- it is somewhat rare (or so I was told) so I have never tried to purchase it

Neem --this  is the toothbrush tree of India with some antibiotic properties. twigs from the tree are used for regular teeth maintenance. Also something I have no personal experience with.

hi bob

forgot to say i used to use raw garlic a lot for toothache, but since using DE ormus etc i never get toothache even though im a chocolate addict trying hard to give it up but i use it instead of my other former bad addictions, its about only bad thing in my diet, i still take a lot of garlic

interesting about tinnitus, DE and detox should clear that up, dont worry

not all tinnitus is bad tho, it can be a good indicator of progress if you do esoteric cultivation practices and get all your energy structures optimised, DE also helps with that

goldenseal, never used it but its testing positive and im gonna try thanks i have lymes too, therapy above and a few other wee tricks seems to manage worse of lymes flare up

white oak bark powder sounds good as well

yes i used to use the raw neem twigs

im on breadline income so dont try a lot of herbs like i used to but DE is surely one of the most cost effective all round remedies ive found

remember with the DE, must be food grade, best with spring structured energised water, discharge any residual negative energies in the solution, then charge it up with optimal vibration

for DE tooth cleaning a strong solution is like mud, use a tablespoon in an inch of water let it settle pout off water

for DE mouth wash a tea spoon in 2 inch water

for optimal mouth washing i use a special pendulum that vibrates horizontal negative green energy great for oral pathogens and biofilms and any biofilm origin disease including lymes, but you only need no more than a minuite exposure to break up biofilm the DE deals with the rest

be careful with experimenting with negative green energy needs advanced training, has power to mummify tissue if overdose, some radiesthesia researchers have died while experimenting this most powerful of all vibrations in the energy spectrum

http://www.fmbr.org/papers/sciBG3.php

http://www.orgoneaustralia.com.au/Theory_P2.html

hi joshua

thanks for the interesting reply

yes im gonna try that chaga mushroom testing good for me

when you say brew in crockpot do you mean ferment or boil and let sit

i googled pottegener cats never heard and first thing came up was weston price association, ive got loads of their media but never read it all, they have some good stuff but too much carnivore orientated,

but i did go through a DHA phase, made my own ghee more eggs and oily fish although ive been vegetarian most of my life and did see a quick result and more sunlight for vitamin D,

have you seen jack kruze stuff some of it good, he the DHA head

im researching sungazing a lot some interesting results, there are many myths and dangers of sungazing but when you apply a pendulum or muscle testing you will get the dosage right you only need a few minuites, also i found that different times of day have different energetic rays from the sun so there might only be three windows in the whole day which have optimal rays, two in the morn and one at night, my sight has imporved since and the optician thinks im mad

thanks im gonna check out dr morse and Hilde Larsen Loren Lockman sound good gonna check them out

i used to do a lot of fasting but got lazy, might get into it again, think the pendulum and muscle testing will be good for that to optimise when what to eat

yes im dropping a lot of amalgams, one dentist said ive the most ever seen, currently experiment with frequencies and harmonics to help naturally dislodge fillings and regenerate teeth

never thought that microbes in gut might be food specific to extent of individual foods interesting and valid observation

glad you made the connection with DE and biofilms not many have, yes DE with scour the epithelium in gut making anything you injest more absorbed

i used to take clay but heard about possible contaimination in a lot of samples, DE tests better than internal grade clay for me anyway

rob o'dochartaigh wrote:

i googled ... and first thing came up was weston price association, ive got loads of their media but never read it all, they have some good stuff but too much carnivore orientated,

I'm a big fan of The Weston A. Price Foundation and the work they do.  I see them more as encouraging unprocessed omnivore foods than being strongly carnivore.  Interesting, I thought, that a conversation that wondered into general health should come so quickly back to dentistry again.  Teeth were Weston A. Prices' speciality.

Weston A. Price Foundation is named in honour of a Cleveland dentist, author of the book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. In the 1930s, upon observing that a large number of his patients had poor dental health, Dr. Price travelled to remote regions of the world and found that people in those areas who were still eating diets consisting of unprocessed foods had healthier teeth than his patients, who were eating large amounts of processed foods. He concluded that poor dental health was the result of nutritional deficiencies.  

a quote I found somewhere, but can't remember where

Sally Fallon is one of the spokespeople for the foundation and it was her book Nourishing Traditions that first helped me understand that food and health were closely related.  The first section of that book is about nutrition in general and examining the mythology of modern nutrition.  The rest is filled with dietary tidbits and recipes.  What I got most of all from that book is that traditional diets based on a great variety of foods are healthier for us than our modern highly processed diet.  This came at a time in my life when doctors had given up on me and things were very bad with my health.  I changed my diet and found it was difficult to source good quality foods at a price I could afford.  Being nearly bedridden at the time, made it hard to keep a job, so not much income.  But I was able to get an allotment garden (one year rent was about the same as one days' food budget) and with the help of family and friends, started growing my own food.  It is truely amazing what good quality ingredients can do to heal a person.  Instead of being dead in weeks or at best crippled in a wheelchair for the rest of my short life, here I am, 10 years later, able to walk, talk, even hold down a part-time job (albeit an easy one).  

Although my mind does still wonder off topic a bit too easily.

The point is, that Fallon's book helped me on a path where I heal myself with food first.  I got well enough that I could grow more and more of my own food and eventually we moved to a small, family farm where we could grow 50 to 90% of our diet (depending on the weather that year).  I feel that eating good quality animal products was an important step in my journey as it seems to have given me the building blocks I needed to get over that hump.  But alone, I don't think that would have been enough.  Growing my own veggies gave me the exercise I needed and access to high-quality ingredients that I wouldn't otherwise be able to get.  Now I'm not in a state of crisis anymore, I eat far fewer animal products, almost to the point of vegetarian.  Liver and bacon are my two main meats, but these are a side dish rather than the main.  

That's what worked for me.  If this thread shows us anything, it's important to customize our healing to the individual.  I strongly believe that with all healing, customizing the approach to the individual is most important.  I also feel that it's really useful to find an alliopathic doctor who will work with you and respect your deicisions and help monitor healing.  Mine does bloodwork for me and suggests ways I can improve my diet and other ideas on how I can get healthy.  My doctor does perscribe drugs, but the preference is that the patient heal themselves with diet, behavourial and environmental changes when possible.  It's helped a termendious amount to know when I'm on the right track as sometimes I can't tell specifically what I'm missing.  Right now I'm strugling with B12, and we're trying to discover if it's a lack of it in the diet or something wrong with my ability to absorb it (probably the latter).


Here's a podcast with Paul and Sally talking about diet, life, the universe, and everything.

For an easier introduction to food as medicine, I love Michael Pollen's book, In Defence of Food.  

thats a very interesting post ranson

glad you seem to have got to grips with your health issues

sounds like weve a similar story to tell i was close, to being completely debilitated with lymes and thats what started me on this path to self healing

i remember watching a sally falon lecture from weston price and she showed pictures of people from west scotland in hebrides and one brother went to mainland and another stayed with traditional diets and you could see the obvious difference in their faces especially the teeth

i then went on a mission to sort my teeth as i knew then they were a strong indicator of health

the lymes attacks kidney energy or kidney yang and they play a big role in bone formation and my teeth were breaking,

another big help was the realisation that energetic environmental effects of locations and indeed the food itself and personal energetic status is often overlooked

you can be eating all the good foods you can get but your body may not be optimised energetically to process it

i now use several self tested indexes of my energetic health, one good one is electron spin, the faster your electrons spin the more healthy both physically and indeed spiritually

another one related to electron is was mitochondria health, its possible to charge up your mitochondria to process the energy more efficiently

if you charge up your electron spin status and your mitochondria health i believe ageing can be reversed

theres another talk from weston price ill get it later where someone talks about hormone impacts on the and i think thats another underestimated one, ill try and dig that out for you

we need to be able to self test and optimise every system in the body and for this i found a pendulum very handy tho some think its bonkers

glad you can grow 50-90% of your veggies, im sure well talk about that common interest in another thread, i use the pendulum to assess soil nutrients requirements for each plant and indeed talk to the plant about its requirements

yes i agree although im mostly veggie, i feel that i need an occasional bit of animal protein

glad you found a sympathetic doctor there not easy to find

have you tried muscle testing for your b12 problem try find a good kiniesologist

ill listen to that podcast later tonight thanks

g'luck with all your healing

Really liked the video about bio-films. I'm really struggling with MRSA right now. I thought I had got a handle on it, but now, more infections are popping up left and right. The doctors keep trying to contact me, they want me to come in. The video confirmed my choice to avoid that place like the plague it is.

I've always had good teeth, never seen a correlation between oral problems and health for me. I tend to see more correlation with nose/throat/gastrointestinal problems and overall well-being. Have been using a neti pot everyday to battle the MRSA, trying different rinses, I'll try to add some DE to one.

Am enjoying this discussion, look forward to reading more.

Justin Rhodes is a father of four who started to learn about permaculture and growing food after falling ill with Lyme Disease and finding no help from modern medicine.  He is travelling the United States with his family and right now they are in Sequim Washington at the "Back to Eden" garden of Paul Gautschi.  

Paul is suffering a neuropathy from exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam.  Nevertheless, he grows most or all of his own food on his land, using lots and lots of wood chips as mulch.



This is the second video Justin made, the first one is here:

hi stacy
glad you enjoy discussion
sorry hear your mrsa prob
unfortunately the medical establishment are slow to recognise biofilm significance in chronic disease
biofims cant grow in vitro so its never been researched acknowledged by most microbioligists
may be significant for mrsa
theres plenty linkages established nose/throat/gastrointestinal problems like you have and biofilms

there is good film about biofilms, think i have a copy of it somewhere
www.whyamistillsick.com


might be worthwhile looking into possibility any auto-immune disorder microbiome imbalance connection with nose/throat/gastrointestinal problems
check these out as an intro, might get something out of them, ive loads more
http://video.microbiomemedicinesummit.com/video/Jill_Carnahan.mp4
http://microbiomemedicinesummit.com2.s3.amazonaws.com/lowresvideo/Terry_Wahls.mp4
its a while since a watched them, ill try dig some more out

be careful with DE many of us are still experimenting with it
i just done a remote test on a friend with sinustitis and i think you might be better just drinking about a teaspoon in 200ml every 3 days
and avoiding a neti nasal rinse

julia

thanks for justin rhodes videos links

i done same with my half acre, had 25 20x5 foot beds and covered the lot in woodchips and mixed with composted horse manure some seaweed chicken manure, i knew that id get loads of weed seeds even tho the manure was old and nitrogen deficiency from the extra bacteria activity, but a it worked out OK,

the woodchips were a good mulch and the manure compensated a bit for the nitrogen shortage, had very heavy fen peat bog but that was 10 years ago  now very productive, im just not well enough to get it work done cause lymes, but justin is an inspiration thanks

if i had time and labour i woud probably use the steel drum method to make biochar and soak it in compost tea and use that instead of wood chips maybe only good for a small patch but i might experiment if i get better

sorry for the off topic

meant to say i had a post written for you about DE and pathogen polarity and ferments but lost the text might re-write tommorrow

interesting presentation about dental health and gut microbiome

http://microbiomemedicinesummit.com2.s3.amazonaws.com/lowresvideo/Jonathan_Landsman.mp4

some other herbs to recommend for this thread.

Spilanthes Acmella oleracea

https://examine.com/supplements/spilanthes-acmella/

also clove of course.

oregano oil is another good one for all those same issues as well. dilute the oregano oil in olive oil if you want to apply it to your mouth and gums. it is VERY strong. only a tiny amount goes a long way in healing the gums/digestive tract or even - MRSA - or staph.

something that good about both of those is they are also good for the gut issues you speak of. they are anti fungal and anti bacterial. clove is also effective against parasites of the digestive system, which unfortunately can also go along with the same gut/digestive/imbalanced yeast/mouth issues you all were referencing.

hi leila

never heard of Spilanthes, interesting plant

test good for abcesses , ill try it next time have an abcess flare up thanks

im looking for any herbs with anti-biofilm action, an all rounder would be nice

http://goodbyelyme.com/free_articles/biofilm/nitric_oxide_herbs

https://thescienceofnutrition.me/2015/03/13/natural-anti-biofilm-agents/

https://selfhacked.com/blog/44-science-backed-ways-to-inhibit-biofilms-naturally-with-references/

they make an important point

if you have a bacterial infection that persists despite antibiotic therapy and you have a high level of proinflammatory cytokines, then you either have a biofilm or a nonbacterial infection

search "autoimmune proinflammatory cytokines microbiome fermented foods"

that why important to optimise micobiome, avoid intolerance's especially grains, if you have to use grains like me mostly oats brown lentils and chickpeas soak ferment grains couple days before use, ferment breaks down undesirable things like cytokines also discard water use a stainless steel pressure cooker for everything as pressure kills off proinflammatory cytokines they more common than we think

root of most modern chronic disease including dental probs seems to be connected with, too many modern grains varieties especially wheat, too much non animal fats, lack of DHA, lack of ferments, lack of sunight and melatonin/hormonal imbalances, trace elements deficiency in soils, reduced microbiome, way too much processed SCATS sugar caffine alcohol tobacco salt, reduced energetic functioning/electro smog, disconnection from nature and sustainable indigenous cultures  etc

some think theres a generational lag so current/past issues not manifest yet

Rob -

When I brew the chaga, I let it sit in the crockpot on low overnight in water.  No fermenting involved.  Chaga needs a long slow heat water bath to make a good tea.  Then I strain it and store it in a mason jar in the fridge.  And you can reuse the chunks a couple times from what I've heard, just let them air dry for a couple days after brewing.

Pottengers cats -- I don't know why there is a correlation to Weston Price when one googles Pottengers Cats.  It's been like that for years.  I think the people who follow Weston Price teachings are aware of Pottengers Cats and so it's always linked together..??

Basically Pottengers cats is a study done to observe the effects that a cooked food diet has upon the cats compared to a raw food diet.  And then it also went to show how the cats that were degenerating and sick on the cooked foods began to regenerate once they were placed back upon a raw diet.  I only referenced it because it shows how eating cooked food isn't healthy for the body...if it is health we are looking for then raw food is what we need to be consuming.  Not that we need to eat anything that was being fed to the cats.  Cats are carnivores, they thrive upon meat.  There is a small book that goes into more detail, but here's a quick summary of the study in a pdf after giving it a google... Pottengers Cats

I sungazed for about a year, in the evenings only because of the mountains.  I came to realize that I'm a battery being charged, I'm grounded to the earth through my feet and I'm connected to the sun through my eyes/skin.  I haven't done it in a long time, I don't have anywhere close to do it safely.

When I was very ill, my GP (Family Doctor) diagnosed me with Chronic Lyme.  The diagnosis was primarily done by exclusion of all other possible causes for those symptoms (a year of some really nasty tests), bloodwork to confirm the infection was present, and clinical history.  It is suspected I contracted the illness at the age of eight and it stayed in my body undiagnosed for nearly 20 years.  Looking back, I do feel I had Chronic Lyme and it was contributing to my being ill.  But with what we know about medicine just a few years later, I think there are some underlying genetic problems that caused most of the symptoms and weakened my body so that the previously subclinical Lyme infection was able to wreak havoc.  I think it was a combination of many things that made me so ill.  But I'm glad for the Lyme diagnosis because it gave me something to focus my healing on because it helped me find a path that was healing to many other problems in my life.

At that time, modern medicine could give me little other than antibiotics.  With only a short life expectancy, my family sought out all sorts of healing opportunities.  Some of the things were pretty unusual (not something I would try with what I know today).  When there's no hope left, one tries anything.  Most of them did nothing but bankrupt us.  


But what did work was diet.  First and foremost, diet.  

Identifying intolerances was the start.  A body can have all sorts of immune responses to foods, not just IGE which is called Allergies, but IGG and some other alphabetical soup.  The difference between IGE and IGG immune responces.  Getting rid of foods that made my immune system work extra hard gave me enough energy to start looking into other healing opportunities I could try.  There's a very expensive blood test that looks at the different immune responses, alternatively, one can keep a food journal and see if there's a correlation between symptoms and diet.  

Funny thing is, most of my intolerances (like unfermented soy, fortified foods, cane sugar) were also the ingredients in many processed foods.  So, I started making my own foods.  I discovered that wheat wasn't a problem for me if it came from Europe, but if it came from North America, it gave me symptoms.  Same for rice.  Rice from Japan was fine, but rice from North America or China wasn't.  Then I started noticing that some fruits like oranges gave my symptoms, but organic ones didn't.  Could it be, I wondered, that there is something in how it was grown?  Could it be that my symptoms started not long after moving to the city, where I no longer had land to grow my own food?  


The second most helpful thing was activity.  

I sure missed growing my own food.  At this stage, I was still staying in bed most days, but somehow it was spring and suddenly I had an allotment garden and the help to get it growing.  Suddenly I had a reason to get out of bed every single day.  I had food that I grew myself and it tasted amazing.  I had somewhere to compost my kitchen scraps instead of sending them to the landfill.  Eventually, I started walking to the garden when before walking to the front door needed a rest.  

I'm a sucker for free food and being soft-hearted towards plants and not energic enough to weed.  My garden was overcrowded with different food plants.  It was a polyculture.  I didn't know it at the time, but maybe it's possible this helped heal me faster than a regular garden would.  Even if it didn't it made for a low-effort garden that gave me loads of food.  


The third thing that helped subdue the Lyme infection back to a subclinical level was teasel root tea. Of all the unusual things I tried, this was the one that I felt did good.  I bought a kilo of the dried root and brewed a tea every day.  Alas, it's not always easy to get good quality teasel root so I'm trying to grow my own.  

Looking back, I feel Teasel has healing qualities, but more importantly the ritual of getting up out of bed and making the tea three times a day, serving it in a special cup, enjoying it with family.  That ritual motivated me to be more active and to take better care of what I put into my body.  I think that ritual amplified any healing qualities in the herb.  


There's still permanent damage from my illness, but I'm still here.  I'm doing things they said I would never do.  

But the last few months, I relapsed into a not-ideal diet containing processed foods and am reaping the 'rewards' of that.  Then again, that's confirmation that diet has a vital role in my health.  

joshua

thanks for the changa tips, im definitely gonna try it

i read that pdf, poor cats, dont like any animal studies, but they sometimes yield important info

interesting that the cooked meat feed cats took 4 generations to recover, think i mentioned generational lag above

sungazing i found to be really regenerative but it took me a few years figure out a way to do it safely and effectively

there are 2 energy centres that can be charged in the morn, pubic - orange and hara (just my name) - yellow, the hara is the battery energy store, the pubic good for charging kidneys, charge up the third eye a while before dusk

use self testing to see when sun angle/colour is corresponding to the energy centre you are charging

i only gaze for few mins until i test optimised with pendulum, sometimes use mosquito hoods as a filter to break up the prism, but eyelashes are good also

when you look at the sun imagine the rays spiralling in anti clockwise straight to the energy centre you are charging

sun through clouds not good idea

also important to cover eyes or go somewhere dark so you can see the after image  of the sun, meditate on this as it changes through colours, that is a science in itself google phosphenism

yes bare footed and earthed works better, but you can also optimise it by grounding on an energy line/vortex

ranson

i know lymes discussion doesnr seem relevant to thread topic but could easily be "if you can beat lymes naturally maybe you can cure most things"

your storey sounds a lot like mine

yes activity is sometimes hard but good, sometimes ive been almost immobile for days, then it takes me a while to self medicate, get moving again then i feel like im almost cured then it strikes again

just recently apart from my usual symptoms, ive almost lost power in my left hand, ive had pulsating pains in my right brain with pressure building, was quite scary

i just did a negative green discharge in the shower went for sauna steam took some DE and it seems to be getting better

sometimes i wonder what id be like if i hadnt all my therapys

thanks for the tips im gonna look into that teasel tea

best of luck with struggle with lymes

i have an idea of an new treatment ill let you know if it works

Just thought I would mention an interesting video I saw recently that talked about a connection between gmo wheat and gluten sensitivity. In searching for the article I couldn't find it quickly, but it is somewhere on this site and here is the  url for another excellent article on Gluten sensitivity and celiac disease from that same site.

webpage video

Note that the video is relatively short, but if you wanted to research his sources or read more of the articles he quotes just hit the pause button or search the notes below the video on the page

bob

im glad you posted that im about to look into gluten intolerance's again for a relative,

im interested to find out if GMO anything tests as tolerant for anyone, would not be surprised if most GMO was intolerant to most people

i read all the posts on that page, one poped out

someone referenced http://thedr.com/ dr tom o'bryan he appears to be a leading authority

also dr tom done  "gluten summit" not worth the 100 dollars i have it ill watch it again and post a summary,

i remember looking into al the gluten celiac debate for a relation and it all pointed to some off the same factors discussed above

i tested a relation for all grains and oats tested best recommended a diet with some oat groats soaked and fermented in dulse spring water cooked in pressure cooker tested optimal, DE weak soln every 3 days for reducing any proinflammatory cytokines and DE mouth rinse, aloe vera interally every few days to help leaky gut and tooth/gum health and overall regenerative tonic, microbiome optimisation, he is quite old and he has a carer who doesnt bother so he is slow to improve

intersting is that he is one of the last old style self sufficient irish gaelic smallholders, remembers drawing blood from cows when times were tough, has a lot of old land lore, grew and eat a lot of oats main grain in the wet cold west ireland, he was told to stop eatin oats as celiac and eats all that random gluten free stuff which ive always had reservations about, most of the gluten free products were not good for him and advised him which ones best

that why self testing by muscle or pendulum so important

also more relevant to OP is that Celiac Disease is correlated with  google "Celiac Dental Enamel"

Celiac Disease: Oral and Dental Manifestations

https://www.nsdental.org/Portals/0/Images/celiac%20disease-dental%20and%20oral%20manifestations.pdf

no wonder is always been obvious that healthy teeth = healthy all round

so if we figure out easy cheap biohacks fo regenerating enamel, curing abcesses, healthy gums then it a good indicator that pathogen biofilms that can originate in cavities, leaky gut, diet and environmental intolerance's are minimised, and microbiome and overall health optimised

Rob, thank you for sharing the information about Celiac and dental issues.  Until recently, I ate very low carb so I had no Celiac symptoms. Due to some medical issues I had added more wheat products to my diet.  Then I began having Celiac symptoms.

Here is some interesting information that I found:

Sometimes, a dentist will be able to pinpoint Celiac disease as the root cause of your dental issues before you're even diagnosed with the condition

Recurrent canker sores or mouth ulcers are another nuisance for those with Celiac disease. These painful breakouts appear on the inside of your lips or cheeks, on your tongue, at the base of your gums or on the roof of your mouth.

Celiac disease could also lead to dry mouth, the symptoms of which make you more susceptible to tooth decay and cavities because you have less saliva to wash away bacteria and food debris. Drink plenty of water during the day keep your mouth hydrated and keep a humidifier in your room while you sleep to prevent your mouth from drying out

The dental biofilm thesis on this thread is interesting.

A wealth of information in this literature review published in 2015: Natural Antimicrobials and Oral Microorganisms: A Systematic Review on Herbal Interventions for the Eradication of Multispecies Oral Biofilms.

An excerpt:

The data of 14 reports disclosed enhanced antiadhesive and antibiofilm activity by the plant extracts obtained from Vitis vinifera [common grape], Pinus spp. [pine oil, unspecific], Coffea canephora [coffee species], Camellia sinensis [tea species], Vaccinium macrocarpon [cranberry species], Galla chinensis [Chinese sumac], Caesalpinia ferrea Martius [Brazilian ironwood], Psidium cattleianum [Strawberry Guava], representative Brazilian plants and manuka honey. Overall, a positive correlation was revealed between herb-based therapies and elimination rates of all types of multispecies oral biofilms. In that context, integrating or even replacing conventional dental therapy protocols with herbal-inspired treatments can allow effective antimicrobial control of oral biofilms and thus, dental diseases."

I'm not fond of the honey idea... as it would dilute with saliva, with antibiotic effect reduced sufficiently for pathogen to feed off of the sugar. Rinsing with pine oil (turpentine) would work (but specific oil is important, e.g. hardware store stuff probably sulfate turpentine). I wouldn't recommend rinsing with pine oil routinely due to possible undesirable constituents... just for extreme cases (worked for me). Essential oils would diffuse through tissue... hopefully inhibit/clear any abscesses. I'd read in an old book that both urea (e.g. from urine) and potassium iodide had moderate effect on caries as well (it was an old book like this but I can't find exact reference/page again). Potassium iodide is $$$ though... and urea is free and abundant...

I don't have time to read everything, but I'd love to see more research done here.