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Paul and Jocelyn continue to address some intentional community 3.0 issues. They start off by addressing the claim that they were locking a “historically” public road, which was proven by local authorities not to be public. They talk about the issues with Allerton Abbey, which were fixed in the summer. They talk about the bounty payments, and feast nights. They speculate on what might have happened with the Ants. Paul and Jocelyn then talk about some other critisms of wheaton labs: the Fouch video and the Puddle people. Jocelyn mentions the stress and disappointment that the Ant issues and criticisms created over the last few months. Paul and Jocelyn finish the podcast on a positive note talking about the way forward. They mention the peasant pdc that will occur in May 2018 (more details to come).

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Hi Paul and Jocelyn. I listened all four parts of this podcast series. You dealt very well with all drama! It was hard of course to go through all of this, but you will come out of it stronger. I am looking forward to see a lot of new things (people, activities, structures, etc.) appear at your land and on Permies.
 
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I really love the idea that comes up at the end of the podcast. To come there and be able to buy a house that I can be OK during the cold winter nights. Pure love.

I really suck on building anything and I cannot believe I could learn enough during one spring and summer to build something I can survive thru winter. I understand this is only an idea now but can Paul try to guess (even a ball-park-guess) what kind of money would be involved with this kind of deal. Of course if there is also hugelbeds its even beter but that I know how to build and grow.

Just love the idea. Really.
 
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Juha Imberg wrote:I really love the idea that comes up at the end of the podcast. To come there and be able to buy a house that I can be OK during the cold winter nights. Pure love.

I really suck on building anything and I cannot believe I could learn enough during one spring and summer to build something I can survive thru winter. I understand this is only an idea now but can Paul try to guess (even a ball-park-guess) what kind of money would be involved with this kind of deal. Of course if there is also hugelbeds its even beter but that I know how to build and grow.

Just love the idea. Really.



I would like to see one of two different things:

A:  somebody with serious gumption comes and sets up an acre with a 200 square foot wofati, a fence, and about six hugelkultur beds.  Then sell it for, say, $10,000.

B:  an investor, X, pays a builder, Y, about $8000 to build that very thing and then the investor sells the improvements for $10,000


 
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The thing is, who wants to buy something for 10000 if an evil dictator can repossess it at a whim? They are unprotected
 
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Matu Collins wrote:The thing is, who wants to buy something for 10000 if an evil dictator can repossess it at a whim? They are unprotected



The thing is ....

   - It turns out that there are some people that are totally fine with parting with coin for land from THIS evil dictator that can repossess it at a whim.

   - I think that I have demonstrated the my "whim" has a mountain of patient communication to try to resolve stuff. 

   - This "whim" makes it so that if your next door neighbor turns nasty, then the "whim" becomes a nasty-ectomy.

   - This "repossess at a whim" is pretty much the exact same scenario as most any other rental scenario.

   - It is rare to find a situation where you can listen to hundreds of podcasts, watch hundreds of videos and read hundred of essays from the "whim-er"

   - sure there is the "whim" thing, but at the same time there is the freaky cheap thing, thus making it worth it

   - for some folks they will come, try it on for size, after a few years decide to move on, so they sell their improvements and maybe even arrange the sale of their deep roots.  They might come out ahead on the whole thing.

   - for some folks, they like the idea of pushing this project forward.  So maybe they come for a while, build some things, sell their improvements, come out dollars ahead and the whole project has moved forward

I fully suspect that billions of people will find this arrangement utterly unacceptable.  But I am not looking for billions of people to come here.  I am looking for a few dozen. 

Further, I think that there are a lot of people out there that are bonkers about this exact flavor of permaculture and looking for their own land is too expensive, and other communities are not a fit for them.   It turns out this community is an excellent fit and damn cheap to boot!  This situation is for that rare person that fits all these bits and bobs.




 
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And while not chump change, $10,000 over two years works out to a bit less than $420 per month for rent.

Where I am living, when my son moved out, he was paying $500 for one of four rooms in a house, on less than a quarter acre.

So really not too horrible, when looked at that way.
 
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@Matu,

I think this is the average person's issue with this idea.
But, after listening to the podcasts on these issues and regarding those that had those issues, assuming Paul was being forthright, that he is incredibly patient and that those that had issues were not your average thinking individual.
Meaning, after listening to the podcasts that brought up these disagreements, I felt Paul was very reasonable in his actions.

Therefore, the way Paul explains it and his "ways", it would appear that the "concern" for his system would not necessarily be a big concern.

JD
 
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Matu Collins wrote:The thing is, who wants to buy something for 10000 if an evil dictator can repossess it at a whim? They are unprotected



Luckily there is still this thing called free will. Or at least was when I last checked.

There are rules everywhere. If one can agree with rules they feel good. Luckily those persons dont need license from everyone not OK with rules.

Idea of doing almost everything imaginable regardind permaculture is also a plus. One can rent places elsewhere but arent allowed to fullfill permaculture dreams. Ther can even be neighbors pouring all kind of shit on ground and spraying everything alive.

Dont know why I even bother with this. If I want to do it, I dont need permission from others. So maybe Im willing to take the risk.
 
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Matu Collins wrote:The thing is, who wants to buy something for 10000 if an evil dictator can repossess it at a whim? They are unprotected



I would, because after listening to every single podcast, and being a reasonable person, I recognise that with Mr. Wheaton everything is upfront, and above board.

I would wager only those looking for a flop house would see Paul's rules as evil.

I hope 47 feels better now that he has aired his dirty laundry in public, I agree with Paul that this whole episode will be for the best in the end, having the sifting effect, those who are not yet ready to wake up from the synthetic matrix will steer clear, leaving space for those of us that have the "gumption" to do this most important work.
 
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