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No bitcoin, sorry. Check/money order?
 
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My phone is for talking and texting, not apps. On my laptop I can enter debit/credit card information by hand for each purchase. I am an old fart and my main source of income is Social Insecurity, that's why I only want one dozen books.
 
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I preordered with my credit card but it only took out a small holding amount. Should I have been billed for the whole amount?
 
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Edward Lye wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_mail



Can you give me a link to a carrier with rates?



I live on the other side of the world from the US.
I guess you need to check with your US Postal Services.
If they don't surface then it's game over.
If you can swing this, I am up for 12 books.
 
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Your Monthly-ish caught my attention. I’m here to report I paid via PayPal for 64 books. I am really looking forward to these books!
 
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A couple near-by offered to use their Pay pal account. They only want a couple books and we are splitting a shipment.
 
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Jerry Sledge wrote:My phone is for talking and texting, not apps. On my laptop I can enter debit/credit card information by hand for each purchase. I am an old fart and my main source of income is Social Insecurity, that's why I only want one dozen books.



Jerry,

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Rex Reeves wrote:I preordered with my credit card but it only took out a small holding amount. Should I have been billed for the whole amount?



Rex, I just searched paypal, feeding in the email address for your permies.com account - paypal says nothing in the last 30 days.
 
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Edward Lye wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:

Edward Lye wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_mail



Can you give me a link to a carrier with rates?



I live on the other side of the world from the US.
I guess you need to check with your US Postal Services.
If they don't surface then it's game over.
If you can swing this, I am up for 12 books.



We have scoured all of the offerings from USPS to international.  The rates we are offering are the best we have been able to find.
 
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Janie Brackett wrote:Your Monthly-ish caught my attention. I’m here to report I paid via PayPal for 64 books. I am really looking forward to these books!



I see the record for you!  You are all set!

Now, we wait.
 
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Jerry Sledge wrote:A couple near-by offered to use their Pay pal account. They only want a couple books and we are splitting a shipment.



Oh good!  All sorted!
 
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Rex Reeves wrote:I preordered with my credit card but it only took out a small holding amount. Should I have been billed for the whole amount?



Rex, I just searched paypal, feeding in the email address for your permies.com account - paypal says nothing in the last 30 days.



Thanks Paul!
I just re ordered and got proper email receipt etc.
And Xmas shopping is done, for the grownups anyway. The kids would colour all over it and fill it with stickers...
 
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Rex Reeves wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:

Rex Reeves wrote:I preordered with my credit card but it only took out a small holding amount. Should I have been billed for the whole amount?



Rex, I just searched paypal, feeding in the email address for your permies.com account - paypal says nothing in the last 30 days.



Thanks Paul!
I just re ordered and got proper email receipt etc.
And Xmas shopping is done, for the grownups anyway. The kids would colour all over it and fill it with stickers...



I now see an order for you!
 
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We have scoured all of the offerings from USPS to international.  The rates we are offering are the best we have been able to find.  /quote wrote:

I have plumbed the labyrinth of the USPS services offerings/restrictions/tariffs and the cheapest is:

https://faq.usps.com/s/article/What-is-M-bag-Service

where it is stated :

-  Frequently utilized by foreign students who attend school in the U.S. and want an inexpensive way to send their books home.
-  M-bags may be sent to PO Boxes™. M-bags are returned to sender if they are undeliverable at no charge.

This seems the ideal way to ship these books for those in no particular hurry.
I weighed my book. It registered at 0.605 lbs.
For 12 copies, it comes to 7.26 lbs and if the printing materials err by 10percent, the 7.986 won't exceed 8lbs.

The worst case cost for 8lbs is a dime shy of USD40.
Perhaps you can relook and quote this shipment method. Oops, just discovered
that a substantial number of countries are not supported. Bummer.
Mine is.  It is what it is.
Supported countries are listed here: https://pe.usps.com/text/imm/immc2_039.htm#ep3175218

I am no rocket scientist so my conclusion might be wrong - is the bag free?
There may be tons of forms and customs declarations and individual country
restrictions to consider. For my country, pornographic printed material is forbidden in the shipment.
So maybe a visit to the local postie to get it straight from the horse's mouth so to speak.
I include the table here for easy reference:


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That is cheaper.  About half the price.  Neat.

This is the first I have ever heard of it.  

So, to take advantage of it, I would need to figure out which countries support it and modify the software to facilitate those countries.  And then for each M-bag I would need to make a special trip into town. wait in line at the post office to get the free M-bag, pack the M-bag, wait in line again and ship it.  I suspect people getting the savings for M-bag stuff would be willing to wait until I happen to be making a trip to town for other stuff.  

So probably be about $500 in software development, plus $40 per package for special handling ...  that path won't work.  

Maybe we can use our existing software and our existing shipper.  I'll look into it.


 
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Rex Reeves wrote:The kids would colour all over it and fill it with stickers...


Why not include the kids? The black and white illustrations would actually be really fun to color.  And as they get older, they can start reading it.

My 15 year old nephew visited me with his family this summer and made a comment about his garden. I took the opportunity to give him his own copy of the book as I still have a few left from the kickstarter. (I had already gifted one to his parents but he hadn't seen it.) We have texted randomly since; he loved the book and now I get garden pics.

Imo, it's never too young to start teaching permaculture.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:Maybe we can use our existing software and our existing shipper.  I'll look into it.



Current shipper says that USPS forbids them from doing it.
 
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The shipping kills it for me (living in Canada). I get that a flat fee for international shipping is easier. But realistically North America fee (Canada and Mex) vs outside of North America would've probably made the price points more enticing.
 
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Shawn is in Canada.  Maybe shawn could explore a big print order and ship stuff for cheap in canada.

That's kinda the big thing we are doing here.  Most books, these days, are printed one at a time.   But that's pretty expensive.  So then we do the thing with the "print 10,000" and the price-per-book comes down a LOT.   But there are huge expenses for shipping across a country border.  Some people are masters at that, and I, apparently, am not.  So if *I* print a lot of books, then I print in the US and mostly ship within the US.  I'm glad to ship outside the US if folks are willing to go through all the yuck that comes with that.  

One important thing to keep in mind is that international shipping via USPS used to be about 10 days.   It is now averaging something closer to 40.  We could use something like FedEx instead, but that more than doubles the already crazy expensive shipping cost.

 
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I saw a thing in email about people saying they'd like to order a book that then only had half the people actually step up..


My only comment is that I didnt post on the original poll, but maybe if the per book cost was cheap enough i'd jump on it, I mean just to avoid you ending up in the hole over having taken a risk on printing or somesuch?  Maybe sent to email list people first/not full public...  I dont need cases of books, i'd only be in for one probably... right now i'm a financially struggling student hanging on by my fingernails thanks to covid-induced social setbacks.  I'm not buying anything not 100% essential.  I just put books on lists to get in the future.  So whereas I might not balk at a more normal price in one year, right now i'd have to get in alot cheaper..  I just assume i'm not the only one maybe like that?  (not sure how many are on your email list even if not as actively involved - i'm not too forum involved because I have to finish school before I can do perma-anything)
 
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Are you looking for this?  https://permies.com/bwb
 
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I hope to give this book as " Christma" presents to my conventional friends. Please let me know when you ship them, and I can watch out for the carrier. Thsnkyou for your dedication, humour and enthusiasm Paul xx
 
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We are currently waiting on the printer.  Based on their estimates, we will most likely be shipping just before thanksgiving.
 
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The printer contacted me, the books are printed and should be on a truck headed my way today.

I would guess that it would take about a week to get here. Maybe more.

It might take a week for the books to go out to people.  And another week for the books to get to US people.    All of this is to say that I think that US folks will be getting the books before thanksgiving.

For anybody outside the US - expect shipment from me to you to take about 45 calendar days.  So you MIGHT get the books just before christmas.

I have edited the above posts to remove the "pre-order" offers - to respect the folks that took that leap with me six weeks ago.
 
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Hmmm ....  much faster than expected ...  i was told that the books will arrive today.  That seems a bit quick to me - but it would be cool if it were true!
 
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the books have arrived.
 
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Many boxes have been sent.  I think most of you are getting tracking numbers ...

 
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paul wheaton wrote:Many boxes have been sent.  I think most of you are getting tracking numbers ...



Hmm...I haven't seen an email with a tracking number...let me search my email to make sure I didn't miss something.
 
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Erik Little wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:Many boxes have been sent.  I think most of you are getting tracking numbers ...



Hmm...I haven't seen an email with a tracking number...let me search my email to make sure I didn't miss something.



I checked my email and I didn't miss an email with a tracking number.  When someone has a minute can they check for me?

Thank you and I hope everyone at permies had a great Thanksgiving!
 
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Erik,

I researched this and it seems the error is 100% mine.   I cannot even figure out how I made the error.  

To make up for my error, I am sending the books now plus adding two decks of the permaculture playing cards.

 
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paul wheaton wrote:Erik,

I researched this and it seems the error is 100% mine.   I cannot even figure out how I made the error.  

To make up for my error, I am sending the books now plus adding two decks of the permaculture playing cards.



Thanks Paul!  
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