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Aah! that last picture made me scream out loud and scare the dogs! (I missed the previous baby ones somehow)
Beautiful! It looks like the babies have already shed a spider shaped skin. Oh my goodness.
I think you're going to have to tread carefully in the garden for a while.

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Nancy,
I was starting to wonder if it was ever going to happen?
More keep showing up and their little shed skins were a big surprise and so very cute...
I do wonder where they will hibernate? And how many will survive til spring?
And just how did mama show up out of the blue since that's my brand new shade garden I just forked up last year...it's too crowded already and I had planned to remove a few things but now I'm not so sure?

I've resorted to my old canon for a little better detail but it's a pain to get loaded on this phone...will post them next.

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Grandson's photos noon today...

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Taken with my old canon instamatic 2pm or so...

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That last picture is awesome Judith! I'm thinking the mother is going to have her work cut out, now that the babies are mobile!

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Nancy Reading wrote:That last picture is awesome Judith! I'm thinking the mother is going to have her work cut out, now that the babies are mobile!

Better her, than me!!🤣

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She is still hard at work...building a web network out from the egg case all around.
I wonder if she builds their playground out farther and farther from the house?

Windy again today and we are due for several days of rain so maybe all her web work is reinforcement?

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It's raining, just a light mist really, and it looks as though most have moved to the bottom of the egg case...a few are off to the right on some of the webbing, expanding their world.

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She caught a yellowjacket!
We haven't been able to eat outside because of them so I don't mind too much.

I'd rather she didn't touch my bumblebees though and they are busy in that same area.

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The first picture shows where they are perched circled in yellow. Right out in the wind and weather although she has moved leaves around attached to web to make a bit of a roof!

After the yellow jacket yesterday we see the network around the babies as a web of protection (and also a playground

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The last three pics are this morning.
Some of the spiderlings seem larger than others?

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She finally got under a leaf out of the downpour (look for her legs sticking out to the left of the egg case in the third photo and in the second one legs are off to the right)...looks like the little ones are all under the pod and maybe inside also?

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These pictures are beautiful Judith!

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Some of the spiderlings seem larger than others?

Male and female? Or just slightly more advanced? If male and female they may develop two distinct sizes in time, if just developmental differences it will be more of a spectrum.

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Nancy, thank you!
I forgot about the difference in gender sizes...that could be it!

Still raining...and they appear to adjust.
These look similar to yesterday's pictures but I wanted to catch them moving off onto the crisscrossed webbing she has provided...

I wonder if the freezing temps coming soon will send them to hibernation?
And where?

And that's our kitchen rags getting a final rinse on the clothesline in the background...

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Just one more today...they are slowly spreading out from home...just a bit more from this morning.

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In the thirties this morning and the sun's out.

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So they've split into two distinct groups - is that under two different leaves?

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Nancy Reading wrote:So they've split into two distinct groups - is that under two different leaves?

Different leaves same branch.
The group on the right is spread out on the underside of the leaf rather than on the silks.

Still wondering how she ended up in my little shade garden and why we never noticed her before. She could not have been better placed for daily visits...it's the path to Steve's shop and the outdoor faucet ...and my tub plants are there along side the area she has claimed.
I have to think it has something to do with the abundance of grasshoppers we've had this year and this is a somewhat sheltered corner for hibernation.

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So do you see babies going from one group to the other, or do they seem to stay in their own group?

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Jay Angler wrote:So do you see babies going from one group to the other, or do they seem to stay in their own group?

Have not noticed that but it seems like they do a lot of moving and rearranging when we're not looking.

I'm seeing individuals out between the pods but haven't watched long enough to see where they're going or where they came from...sometimes it seems like everybody freezes when we go over to look at them

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Morning low was 22F and frosty.
Looks as though the elderflower leaves are wilting but might revive...seems like I remember they don't freeze damage as quickly as other plants.

I guess the babies are mostly back in the pod? I think I can see a small hole in the egg case like an opening in the one photo.

No sign of mama but sometimes I find her legs sticking out from under a leaf when I look closer at my pictures.

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Jay Angler wrote:So do you see babies going from one group to the other, or do they seem to stay in their own group?

Have not noticed that but it seems like they do a lot of moving and rearranging when we're not looking.

I'm seeing individuals out between the pods but haven't watched long enough to see where they're going or where they came from...sometimes it seems like everybody freezes when we go over to look at them

Combined with their adult coloring, this seems like a great defense mechanism!

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Carla, I think that must be it...things are happpening out there but they must sense our movement or shadow or voices or something and stop moving?

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I wonder how big they need to get to, before the babies start to hunt? Is it likely to happen before they need to hibernate?

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Jay Angler wrote:I wonder how big they need to get to, before the babies start to hunt? Is it likely to happen before they need to hibernate?

We need Tereza

I've wondered what they're eating also and if the grasshoppers and the yellow jacket she's caught recently are shared with the babies somehow?

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i just saw the bat signal, i mean the spider signal!!!

so, i found something online that made me go gulp--- the mother will probably not live much longer, sad to say.
i don't think she's feeding the babies. the resident biologist here says the babies can hunt already, they just need to start branching out (and you may not be seeing them do it, since they seem to be pretty smart). the babies will survive the winter by seeking shelter and slowing their metabolism (just like the mother did in the past) but after laying eggs the mother usually dies. So she is feeding, and they are watching, but she's not feeding them, she's showing how to hunt.
we don't have a similar spider here, and we don't get very cold, so the biologist isn't clear on exact details about when they will start moving out, but I saw studies online talking about them hunting during the winter in places like wisconsin, the rocky mountains, and pacific NW, so they are apparently cold hardy and ready to rock.

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Tereza Okava wrote:i just saw the bat signal, i mean the spider signal!!!

so, i found something online that made me go gulp--- the mother will probably not live much longer, sad to say.
i don't think she's feeding the babies. the resident biologist here says the babies can hunt already, they just need to start branching out (and you may not be seeing them do it, since they seem to be pretty smart). the babies will survive the winter by seeking shelter and slowing their metabolism (just like the mother did in the past) but after laying eggs the mother usually dies. So she is feeding, and they are watching, but she's not feeding them, she's showing how to hunt.
we don't have a similar spider here, and we don't get very cold, so the biologist isn't clear on exact details about when they will start moving out, but I saw studies online talking about them hunting during the winter in places like wisconsin, the rocky mountains, and pacific NW, so they are apparently cold hardy and ready to rock.

Thank you Tereza!
Just today they are spreading out from the pod some...not off the branch but definitely separate individuals rather than tight blobs.

Now we're trying to think what they might be finding to eat as tiny as they are? And they must have tiny amounts of venom already to stun prey? And can they spit it?

Not sure what I'll do for entertainment once they hibernate

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From what I've read they are ready to go, with venom, but just small. So they'll need smaller (and more tender) things to eat. There are so many things like mites that we barely even see. As for the spitting, I'd guess they probably can, but again are so small that we'd probably never notice at this size.

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Tereza Okava wrote:As for the spitting, I'd guess they probably can, but again are so small that we'd probably never notice at this size.

Yes, not much per spider baby, but I still wouldn't want to push my luck as if the whole crew decided I was a danger, that might add up to more than I'd want to risk!

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