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Reforestation - Growing trees in arid, barren lands - by Seeds and Clay cubes (no watering)

 
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Hello everyone,

We continue with the update on the almonds that were planted near Thessaloniki 6 to 7 years ago.

This group is near the "giant" almond trees mentioned above (lol), but under different conditions.

Twelve almonds were placed in the ground to see if they will sprout and survive. As seen in the photos and video, the soil is red clay and pine trees block the sky except for the northern and part of the eastern sun. All 12 trees survived!!!



I remember the 1st year when I watched them sprout and have been following them ever since; this effort was at the beginning stages then.

As can be seen in the photos and video the trees are small in relation to the trees mentioned above; 60 cm at most.

But...it is what it is; they are doing the best they can.

In another 10 years they will grow and create a mini forest with its own micro climate. The branches will touch and block the summer sun and create new soil underneath.

Using trees in barren areas to provide ground cover takes time...the process can be speeded up by using green manure crops/shrubs such as alfalfa, tree alfalfa, laburnum etc; if we have the time and resources. In the absence of resources, leave mother nature to work its magic.

Photo "30 Year Old almond Tree.jpg" shows an almond tree that is probably 30 years old when the road was built...this tree is nearby and is also growing underneath the pine trees and in clay soil. Our 12 almond trees and the others like them, most likely will follow the same growth pattern.

It can be said that these 12 almond trees showed me the way...gave hope that this project is doable !!!

Almond trees can live for 60 to 80 years, they provide valuable food, they can survive droughts and fires...all we have to do is spend 10 seconds and place an almond in the ground.

Other trees such as oaks can take 20, 40 plus years to mature.

Hundreds of years of ecological destruction is not going to be repaired in a few years. It's going to be a long multi-year effort.


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Here in France, third year drought, just a ten minute shower in a month. Forest fire in Germany Nordrein-Westfalen and Holland's biggest nature reserve 40% down...

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/braende-feuer-waldbrand-1.4884640
 
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Not good news Hugo,

I think lady earth is not pleased with us...

She maybe getting ready to evict us...

Shutting off the water, fires viruses, will start the eviction process

I think she is giving notice

I hope...I think...there is time if we act, reform, etc

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Almonds use up quite a bit of water so they might not put out many nuts if the rainfall is low, maybe try and add a few more trees for diversity. Might be fun too. Maybe native maples? Could tap them in the future.
 
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That's not very nice information. I wonder what the influence is of trees disappearing on the temperature of the earth. If i go through the forest on a hot summer day, the temperature is so much cooler in there. Everywhere forests have been cut down since industrialization. Hundreds of years of cutting down of cooling forest all over the globe. Hard to even find numbers on that and we are being led to believe it's caused by a gas that supports photosynthesis. Banks and everybody are on board trying to make the big change happen from fossil fuels to renewables. At the same time everywhere there are huge forest fires and on top of that record tree felling numbers everywhere. Reforestation has been mentioned as a countermeasure for climate change, it's hardly ever pushed. All investment goes to renewables. It's such a waste, because even if we would succeed switching to renewables in the West the oil price would plummet globally, and people in the developping world would gladly use it up, off setting our efforts.
Better we would protect our forests and greatly increase our efforts to regain what we have lost. We have some great examples of solo battlers who have successfully increased reforestation. We should celebrate and empower these people to do what they do best. Forests are needed for water retention and bio diversity, soil building and are a good long term investment even for harvesting timber in a ordered fashion, oh yeah we can even plant trees that produce food without fertilizer and pesticides.
 
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Well said !!!
 
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FYI

If true

the assault on trees continues unabated

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE[/youtub

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FYI

The other side of the story....

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/bill-mckibben-climate-movement-michael-moore-993073/amp/


And ...first hand experience of what bad policy brings...
A few years ago in the midst of this economic depression we are experiencing here in Greece, the government raised taxes for heating fuels..gas and oil, so much, that people installed wood burning heating systems.

Small companies that sell wood for heating cropped everywhere...on bad winter days a cloud of smoke hangs over Thessaloniki.... thousands of trees have been cut, and the revenues the bright policy makers dreamed about have gone up in smoke.

Our war on trees (on our own home) continues unabated...

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Helo Kostas, nice project.  Having not much to do during quarantine I was forced to construct some of the gadgets that I wanted to. One of these is a "seed staff" Like you I am planning to plant seeds. Just any seed I can get my hands on. This seeder which is made of recycled material will make it a lot easier. Though not yet complete because of lack of resources, I find it is easy to use with bigger seeds that I can pick with my fingers easily. Starting from papaya seeds and bigger. I tried it in my garden and it works great. Just strap on some bag on my waist where I can grab a number of seeds at a time and drop it on the mouth made from pet bottle. the sequence goes like this:  drop a seed in and jab in the ground, then press the trigger. As I withdraw it from the ground I release the trigger , mouth close, and drop another seed simultaneously for another jab. After the quarantine when I am free to gather materials I will  construct an automatic dispenser. for smaller seeds that is difficult to pick. Much like how a pistol revolver works. I am posting it here as you may want to construct one. I will give more details if you need. It will make your seed planting expeditions a lot easier.
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Thank You Ronaldo...great idea...a youtube vid would be helpful when you get to it....

Have you done any tree planting using seeds ?

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Interesting topic.  I may have missed this...but what kind of rainfall do you have in Greece?  and in other places mentioned?  I get about 10" a year, sprinkled throughout the year, plus snow in the winter.  Topsoil?  There is a bit...I was thinking of renting a backhoe with an auger to dig holes down through the hard pan in hopes that at some point there is moisture potential...than backfilling the holes with crushed soil and something to keep it a bit loose - not totally compost.
 
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Konstantinos Karoubas wrote:Thank You Ronaldo...great idea...a youtube vid would be helpful when you get to it....

Have you done any tree planting using seeds ?

Kostas



No planting trees yet, papaya seeds yes. I will try video. Have not done it yet. But since its quarantine I may have time to learn:)
 
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Hi There, I made a close up you tube video so you can view the construction details. Questions are welcome. If anyone wants to download the video on this thread please do so.

 
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Here is another video. Not very clear but you get the idea. I made this because I wanted to plant fruit tree seeds in the grass land with ease and speed. The grass will give shade to the trees while young. Tree seeds planted on the midst of grasslands has a better chance than in the barren. I'm just waiting for the rain to come and I will start seeding the grasslands.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q17bL3tWRrQ&t=1s
 
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Hey Tom,
Here is some information info for Thessaloniki.. northern greece

https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,thessaloniki,Greece

And here for southern Greece...sparti

https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainfall-Temperature-Sunshine,sparti-peloponnese-gr,Greece

Sparti is 700 km south.... longer summers and hotter...the site elevations, micro climate and soil conditions will have a big impact on the young trees as they struggle to survive.

I avoid visiting the young trees in the end of summer months because its difficult to see them struggle.

Good luck

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Thank you for the video Ronaldo... it looks good !!!

Looking forward to hearing about your seeding projects.

Kostas
 
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Your welcome, It rained hard here last night. I was excited and tried it first thing in the morning. I planted dried papaya seeds again. After like 15 times of jabbing the soil I check the mouth and there was 5 papaya seeds clinging to the opening. I guess not good for extremely wet soil. The muddy water somehow made its way in the mouth and acts like a paste where the very light weight papaya seeds stick to. But it may work if seeds is denser. maybe I will try wet papaya seeds and see if it works. Will try again this afternoon when soil is not too wet.
 
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Now is the time to collect Medicago arborea...tree medick....alfalfa tree seeds

These can be used to start trees for to plant directly or by drone.

Collect thousands !!!

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As mentioned previously the pine trees around Thessaloniki are dying...the forestry department is cutting the sick trees to prevent the infection from spreading...

I know of 3 small pine tree forests in the area that are sick...it remains to be seen how things will work out...

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Now is also a good time for a mulberry tree nursery and if successful a tree medick.

Both will be transplanted in the wintertime while dormant in wet soil, and then will not be given any care.

I hope to have at least 100 of each.

This way of tree planting is very exposed to the whims of the weather...a month ago we had a spell of 40 C days in early spring (104F). The change from mild rainy weather to very hot kills many of the new trees.

Last summer's extended hot weather and drought did the same. It even killed 3 to 4 year old trees. Some areas that I thought were completely planted, and had a few hundred young trees, were completely wiped out.

Its important to have multiple planting sites, even within a given area. The microclimate and soils differ even 100 meters apart and you get different results.

Failure is part of this effort and when doing this you hope for a break.... favorable weather.

Just because we encounter set backs, we don't give up...learn and persist. This effort to cover the earth and feed people will last years and years !!!

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