Doug Hack wrote:Today I collected 400 wild bitter almond seeds in a bucket and planted them about every two feet along about 800 feet of perimeter fencing. If even 5 percent of them survive I will have 20 new trees to start my hedgerow/shelter fence. This took about four hours.
Doug Hack wrote:One possible advantage of a seed grown tree over a container grown tree (grafted or not) is the possibility of a stronger, more site-adapted root system developing. I'm not talking about disease resistance - carefully selected root stocks will usually have the advantage there - but if the tree is capable of developing a tap root from seed it may be able to grow deeper into the soil to find soil moisture and nutrients. My understanding from reading is that grafted, bareroot and container trees almost never re-develop a strong tap root.
Marijke Katsburg wrote:
People are now repairing and building terraces, to hold the soil when rain (hopefully!) arrives end of July (until November, when we are lucky) . Next stage will be the making of planting holes. And as soon as the first rains come, the planting.
There will be know mulching and no watering, so the plants have to do it on there own (that's why the topic is interesting)
Local species are: tamarinde (tamarindus indica), tropical almond (terminalia catappa), mimosa (I don't know which type, it grows everywhere and we use it as goat -, pig -, and cow food), baobab, flamboyant, mango tree, and shrubs like purgeria and guave.
I wonder if the moringa olifeira could do something here, for it seems a usefull plant. But there are none on the island.
I would be happy with any information, suggestion. Main question: How to get seeds / plants within three months time...
thanks in advance,
Marijke Katsburg wrote:Thank you, Nathanael, for reminding me of my subscription at Echonet a few months ago... I found them, back then, in my search for these very moringa seeds! So now I immediately ordered the seeds. Thanks again. And for the other advice as well.
Konstantinos Karoubas wrote:Thank You for writing Marijke,
Sorry to hear that your land/country is so bare...good luck with the reforestation efforts...
For us here, there is a 100 to 1 cost advantage in using seeds to reforest, as opposed to planting trees; in addition, the resulting forest is a higher quality forest.
Its not easy, and we need to be patient...the idea is to cover the earth with trees, shrubs or grasses year round...this will lower the ground temperatures and bring in more rains etc etc.
There is going to be a trial and failure period, where you try different seeds...I have listed here what has worked for me...some of these seeds may also work for your area (or maybe not)....what grows at the side of the roads, may help you.
I will be glad to send you a small bag of seeds for you to try, provided its allowed by your laws...mostly I collect seeds from the fruits we eat, I purchase seeds from locals, or from a seed supplier in Italy.
Konstantinos Karoubas wrote:
The idea and effort here is to find and plant seeds of grasses, shrubs, and preferably trees that can survive and thrive without any assistance....this includes watering mulching or any other human activity...
I believe he has some in his mix. On this page, if you scroll up, there is alfalfa growing out of a cube.
So would it hurt your method to throw in some leguminous ground cover seeds in your clay cubes?
I think the deciding factor on species selection is whether the plant can establish a deep water seeking tap root as soon as possible upon germination. I do not think that vetch fits into the category, but alfalfa does. I'm not sure what else fits the bill in the nitrogen fixing ground covers that are suitable for arid Mediterranean climates which previously suited forests. In the case of his situation, establishing some trees and shrubs may be necessary initially for shade, moisture retention, hydrological pumps, leaf fall mulch, et cetera before many ground cover species can establish themselves at all. I may be wrong in these thoughts, but that's where my mind goes with it.
Some native vetch maybe?
Konstantinos Karoubas wrote:...instead of placing seeds in the ground every three feet, maybe a 10 feet diameter circle can used...in this circle all the appropriate tree seeds can be planted closely together...in this circle legumes and native grasses can be planted or simply scattered..they will help the trees seeds to survive and improve the soil..
Your thoughts please...
I think this is a great idea. Over time these will build up moisture pumping stations from the deep roots, as well as litter reservoirs from the dropping of leaves and small branches, This will aid greatly in hydrating not only the circles but the areas in between them. In time, as well, the extended root systems from the circles will join with each other, sharing information and nutrients within their fungal partners, as they become a synergistic whole.
maybe a 10 feet diameter circle can used...in this circle all the appropriate tree seeds can be planted closely together...in this circle legumes and native grasses can be planted or simply scattered..they will help the trees seeds to survive and improve the soil. The next circle can be 20 feet away.