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I need some Hardcore cold hardy short season fruit and veggie seeds

 
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Hello Permie-Lovelies,

I'm in Norway and the seed catalogs here and their information are a bit, well...meh. I'm looking at a place that has an extensive list of fruit seed and tree sorts, and, I kid you not, the descriptions are along the lines of, "It tastes really good, bend branches down for more fruit set. END"
That's it...
I'm not finding things much over flowers that they have invested in providing for areas with 3b-2 hardy zones. So It seems I just gotta try my hand at getting seeds for growing in cold climates, like Canada, norther USA, Russia. You get the picture.
Any peeps in here have a catalog they swear by and would forward me seeds? I've checked the tolls here and so long as I follow the list, I am good. However, it does help if it's sent as mail or a gift. I've had some seed deliveries be incinerated because a newbie was on duty. I get a sorry and I hope you have insurance message, but that doesn't help me much. If this Black woman from the south has to go another year without Collard Greens, I'm gonna crack.
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You must be a long way up in the mountains in Norway  to have that hardiness zone, Even Tromsø is a 7
However hardiness zone means nothing for annuals like collards what you need to look for there is a heat zone,  things that grow in Canada in a low zone almost certainly will not do well in Norway, you simply do not have the heat for them.  
Collards are going to be a summer crop for you so your zone is immaterial but look for a variety that does well on the cool and damp side of the US.
I use a Swedish company for many of my seeds, (Olssons frö)  it's not really set up for private sales but they do have a hobby selection, of course they don't sell American plants like collards.

Researching companies that sell seeds is dangerous, I found this Danish company that ships to Norway Urtegartneriet everything is Organic and open pollinated and most is biodynamic. They have a huge selection of "weeds"
 
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Denmark in the House! You are partially correct. I'm in one of the coldest regions, Tynset. Fjellregion. But it is by no means cool. We have -35C winters but super short and intense 30C summers. I'm next to the river Glomma, so it is also humid. That's why I hope for some of the varieties with ninja short maturity times (under75 days, max 90).
 
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Southern in the house too. Planted the last of my collard seeds just a few days ago. Couldn't find any more locally. This is a reliable seed company that might ship to Norway. Good luck.

https://www.southernexposure.com/search/?q=collards
 
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Hey there, American Scandinavian here...might be of some help. Agree/disagree you can't grow collards, etc. there. Somewhat similar situation. Transplanted California who moved to a state where eating greens/produce year round (or at all) is alien. Plus I now live by choice (California = deadly fires, tourists, taxes), in a beautiful but very rural area and a one hour drive to actual produce, not canned collards (yuck?!) in a can. Yes, I actually saw that in the only store here, one of those lovely dollar stores.

Three years in, I have with the help of husband, a very large garden. Heading into fall with frost predicted in two weeks. In the winter (while much milder than yours), it can get to minus 17. But here's the thing. I harvest many different types of veges year round. This winter I will have: many kinds of lettuces, bok chois, green onions, leeks, beets for beets and above ground tops to steam, spinaches, kale, mustard, radishes, swiss chard, turnips and turnip tops, etc., etc...and, yes, collards in the snow.

How? You know those plastic tubs you buy stateside at the big box stores and pack away stuff in your garage/attic? I make small planting beds that exact size, then plop the tub (minus lid of course) over the small plant or seed area about to come up. Right now it's beautiful fall weather, but as soon as it gets frosty in the evenings, on they go and stay on for the entire winter. They come off or are lifted slightly with a small wooden wedge if I need to water, to pick my produce,  check out for growth or slug removal, or to let the heat out if it gets too toasty warm.

People thought I was crazy here. Until I gifted luscious spinaches and lettuce greens with beautiful red radishes and green and white bunching onions during a blizzard on Christmas day. 😎 They questioned why we didn't have a greenhouse (on the list but I will still use tubs for a bigger planting area) or a high tunnel (would never withstand our high winds out here on the pasture.) If I were you, I would give it a try. If you don't have great soil, buy two bags of potting soil, cut out plastic in top leaving the plastic sides to hold in the dirt. Plant seed while it is warm enough to come up. If too late already, put tub over potting mix and warm up soil for a week or so before planting. Then, if this latter, late method, water the seed with warmish water, not outside hose cold water. (Yes, I've had success with this method!)

Obviously, the tubs need to be the clear ones. I would double up the tubs in your area. (As in 2 stacked on top of each other.) We get 75 mph winter winds so you have to figure out a way to anchor the tubs down but still have it easy to get in and out of them. I've often scraped off 5-6 inches of snow to harvest and to let sunshine come through tub. I anchor mine down with either wooden or metal tent stakes pounded into the ground before it freezes, and then attach bungee cords so you can easily access your produce. Very snug. If you don't have access to the tubs, you can probably buy online. I actually got some from Amazon once because didn't want to drive the mountains in bad weather.

Yes, things grow incredibly slow in the cold and you may only get one cutting of collards. That's why you want a small to medium plant going before the weather gets really cold. However, you might be surprised. I harvest loads of tender lettuces by cutting off the leaves about 3 inches up so it can regrow throughout the winter. And, even though just the two of us, I have 76 tubs this year. Yes, I like fresh veges! Yes, I believe my health issue are helped substantially by eating Real Food. Alternatively, you could just use this tub method to speed up your short growing season in the spring/summer. Maybe a tub over growing collards, plus garden shade cloth on top so it doesn't get too intensely hot under the tub. Plus a little wood wedge to let heat out if you are doing this in summertime?

Our growing season is very short up here in the mountains, too. But with my tub system, my growing season is year round. In fact, I have kale and mustard spinach (yes, a combo plant, yes, yummy) that I've replanted to another area that were planted last fall, survived minus 17 degree blizzards, and are strongly going into their second winter. Of course, you have to monitor when the tubs go on and off for spring/summer. And, I use shade and bug cloths as necessary.

Cold weather gardening IS possible. Good luck!

 
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I am out of my depth giving advice on this topic... but my personal approach would be try to find said seeds as you were looking for, and do whatever I could to extend the season - cloches, cold frame, greenhouse - whatever is within your means. I'd try to create a microclimate for such vegetables perhaps setting up some big heat absorbing rocks around little patches of soil, kind of like a reverse keyhole garden.
 
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I'm in zone 3, raspberries have done quite well for me. Blueberries currants, gooseberries, do well. My first year for German Blackberries, the shwartzenberren. an annual from the nightshade family. Research indicates it comes out of Russia brought to the US by German immigrants.  Not related to the garden huckleberry, that was also a new trial for me this year.  Produces all season has just been bitten by frost here. I haven't come across a hardy collard yet.
 
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Yay, another permie in Norway! Me and the partner just bought some land there that we plan to move to (live in Sweden at the moment.) Okay, our place is by the coast, so completely different climate, but still...
Regarding a source for vegetable seeds, this is a good one: (https://www.runabergsfroer.se/) They say they can send to Norway, but that the customs fees may be expensive.
About fruits/other plants: What are you looking for specifically? Maybe we have it... We'll be going to Norway come spring, and will bring a whole lot of plants anyway.
 
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I just ordered seeds from www.nikitovka.com
They're in Ukraine, which is way warmer than you, but they have lots of Russian varieties, and lots of variety in general. I haven't planted any of the seeds yet, so I can't speak to quality. They give you a good amount of seeds for the price, though.

Here are a couple Canadian seed companies with cold climate seeds:
www.abunadhseeds.ca
www.mapplefarm.com

The other ones I know of for sure don't ship outside Canada. I don't know about these two.

I bought some kale from experimental farm network
https://store.experimentalfarmnetwork.org/collections/frontpage/products/kaleidescope-perennial-kale-grex
Almost all of mine are collard types. Quite a few survived the winter, more might have if they hadn't been munched by deer. Last winter was pretty warm for the most part. We had a couple weeks where it didn't get above -12C during the day. Probably didn't didn't quite hit -20 at night. Supposedly if you protect the plants from snow, they'll survive cold temperatures better. Mine were covered in snow all winter, though.
 
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