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Are there medical freedom families here?

 
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We are looking for like-minded families with young kids who want to build a small community with food forest. We have enough money to pay for the land and have jobs that allow us to go off-grid somewhere...
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S Lee wrote:We are looking for like-minded families with young kids who want to build a small community with food forest. We have enough money to pay for the land and have jobs that allow us to go off-grid somewhere...



Where abouts in the world are you looking to create this community?

I'm looking for the same thing here in Central Florida. I'm a homebirth midwife with kiddos in search of like-minded community.
 
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Isabella Love wrote:

S Lee wrote:We are looking for like-minded families with young kids who want to build a small community with food forest. We have enough money to pay for the land and have jobs that allow us to go off-grid somewhere...



Where abouts in the world are you looking to create this community?

I'm looking for the same thing here in Central Florida. I'm a homebirth midwife with kiddos in search of like-minded community.



Right now, we are open to any where safe. We have a motorhome and can go anywhere there's road.. we'll move out of our house soon.
 
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What do you mean by medical freedom?
 
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Mike Patterson wrote:What do you mean by medical freedom?



basically nobody or govt has the ability to force a medical procedure, drugs, or intervention on anyone...
for example, exactly OPPOSITE what gates and the msm, liberal governors have been proposing in the last few months
 
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S Lee wrote:

Mike Patterson wrote:What do you mean by medical freedom?



basically nobody or govt has the ability to force a medical procedure, drugs, or intervention on anyone...
for example, exactly OPPOSITE what gates and the msm, liberal governors have been proposing in the last few months



Hi there! I’m a firm believer in medical choice. I’m a Homeschooling mom of 3 kiddos, and we lived for 2 years on a converted school bus. We aren’t sure what our next move is yet but we are in Central Ohio, and have also lived in WV and KY. We know we need to make some moves to become more self sustaining and very soon!
 
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Just a reminder that it's fine to use our communities forum to look for likeminded people who are pro-medical freedom, but this forum is not for discussing or debating medical freedom.

Medical freedom is an issue that can attract trolls and other nastiness, and it's one of the things we restrict to our cider press forums, where people need to have earned a certain number of apples from quality posts in order to post there. This helps to keep corporate trolls and other stuff out. Here is the cider press: https://permies.com/c/15
 
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Hi,  we are in south central ky and are building a community.  we live in an amish house on 25 or so acres with a pond, small creek, forested areas, a few outbuildings.  we homeschool, and have 5 icelandic sheep.  we're definitely interested in some more like minded  families or single people volunteering, or moving on.  
 
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Us! Depending on where you go. We’re living in our RV trying to find home and praying to find a like-minded community. We don’t want to be in too cold of weather this winter but do want to find a place out west that has four seasons. 😊. Hubby just needs internet to work, and I’ve homeschooled our kids for years.
 
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I had a guy who lived here off and on for 20 years. He had a large mobile home. Every Fall he would build a stick and 2x4 frame around his "house" and cover it with plastic on the sun side and tarps to the north and west. It made a nice wind brake and envelope around his mobile home. He would keep a small wood stove burning between the frame and home which made the heating of the interior of the mobile much cheaper and easier. And it gave him lots more "outside" storage and sitting space, particularly on sunny days. It made living "up north" much more winter pleasant and affordable. It cost almost nothing to do. Just a suggestion if you stay where there's four seasons.
 
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Hi S,

We file form every year and check conscientious objection to allopathic prophylactic bc our two oldest are in public school. It seems laws will be pushed for mandatory prophylactic for novel virus (despite any objection, the least being right to medical freedom) and our family is preparing to accept that our children will therefore not be permitted to attend school. I’m homeschooling this year, but like the school for the diversity, bilingualism, Montessori method, there are so many positives! But people are getting so crazy about all this that it could be worse, like not being allowed to use public parks, etc. We’re looking for community and have been for a couple years. I would prefer hilly/mountainous land with every season. We love to grow food! My husband and I have three children, 6 and under. Willing to consider anywhere, if the connection with folk is a firm foundation.
 
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All,

thank you for all the replies and sorry for the late response..
we are going to check out Oklahoma and Texas with another family.
if anyone is interested in those areas, PM me.
 
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Michelle Vee wrote:Us! Depending on where you go. We’re living in our RV trying to find home and praying to find a like-minded community. We don’t want to be in too cold of weather this winter but do want to find a place out west that has four seasons. 😊. Hubby just needs internet to work, and I’ve homeschooled our kids for years.



we are visiting Oregon right now.. very beautiful but, as you know, the whole west has been degrading on freedom..
 
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Amaya Engleking wrote:Hi S,

We file form every year and check conscientious objection to allopathic prophylactic bc our two oldest are in public school. It seems laws will be pushed for mandatory prophylactic for novel virus (despite any objection, the least being right to medical freedom) and our family is preparing to accept that our children will therefore not be permitted to attend school. I’m homeschooling this year, but like the school for the diversity, bilingualism, Montessori method, there are so many positives! But people are getting so crazy about all this that it could be worse, like not being allowed to use public parks, etc. We’re looking for community and have been for a couple years. I would prefer hilly/mountainous land with every season. We love to grow food! My husband and I have three children, 6 and under. Willing to consider anywhere, if the connection with folk is a firm foundation.



I'm not familiar with Montessori.. have heard good things about Waldorf too.
Our 6yo is learning 3 languages right now while we homeschool.
 
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Yes!!! Freedom.
We will be moving to Idaho USA =freedom Oct 2020. but if you want to try a place now contact Yuri 1-208-669-3711. Idaho mountains raw land off grid living 3 adults and 3 children trying to grow their community.  
We are looking for another family to go in on buying land in the mountains of Idaho. We love 4 seasons and the Orofino area. We are also looking for spiritually minded free thinkers to join our community in the very near future. Would love to build "community school " with parents sharing the teaching responsibilities and resources. We are thinking Volunteer hours to avoid unfair laziness. It would be about 1 hour a day, 5 days a week and or money to help the community below is info about us. Love permaculture. Ask away and if your interested contact opal.althoff@gmail.com


Hello Beautiful Souls,
We are an eclectic and energetic family of 4. We have 2 dogs, a cat, a bearded dragon, and a pet turkey named Alice. All born and raised in San Diego, looking to find a community/ soul family tribe to fit in with We have visited the Idaho many times and loved it. We have friends in the Post Falls, Idaho area. We are looking to move up to the surrounding areas, when we find the right fit

My name is Opal-Lia,
I'm a 39 year old homeschooling stay at home mother of 2 children, ages 8 and 13. The kids and I are vegetarian. I'm a passionate outgoing talkative person who does enjoy people but occasionally balances my time with some alone time to recharge. I am Reiki, and chakra certified. I am currently exploring the technique of sound healing with tuning forks. I'm working to develop my own personal healing technique combining crystals, sound, and herbs. It is still in the developing phase and I will follow my intuition to see what form it takes. I'm a pagan/eclectic witch, I am currently enrolled in a year long Priestess program that I am now in my 6 month of study. Someday I hope to hold space for healing and use wisdom to lead and give spiritual counsel as needed. Also part of my spiritual path is being vegetarian/vegan. My dream is to live in a community with awesome people, and to live outside of the society's norms that I have never really fit into or agreed with. I would love to create a peaceful place to live in harmony with mother earth around us. I have so much passion for the earth and I hope to teach and share that with everyone. I have an even bigger long term dream... I would love to collaborate and co-create a spiritual healing center.....healing the mind, body, and spirit. We could offer energy work and many different healing modalities, also yoga, and or tai chi etc., plus have permaculture principles incorporated for a healthy lifestyle and a happy well cared for earth. Possibly hold week long events or seminars...... not exactly sure on all the details yet, but I'm open to inspiration, I like to let the universe help with that. Let our Intuition/collaboration lead us to amazing places, let's make magick together.

Hello, I'm Darryl, I'm 39 as well. I'm a quiet, reserved person most of the time. It takes me a little time to warm up to people, But I can be quite silly with my family at times. I'm currently a union carpenter. I've worked on just about everything from chicken coops to highrises. I have 15 years doing concrete form work, 10 of those as a field layout (blueprints) carpenter. My hobbies include wire wrapping, wood whittling, and drawing. I thoroughly enjoy music, and I'm trying to learn to play a bass that was gifted to me. I have a trumpet and guitar as well. I would love to have the time to practice more. I enjoy being outdoors and working with my hands, I'm totally down to reinvent the wheel. I practice a mostly vegetarian diet, and I enjoy cooking. On rare occasions, I do like to hunt. It is solely for food, never for sport. I'm not a fan of big game, nor do I believe in taking more than I can use.

Christian is our 13 year old son. He is outgoing, social, active and adventurous. He loves to run barefoot everywhere, climb trees, and loves the water. He is a great older brother. He loves the outdoors and lego's.

Pearl is our 8 year old daughter. She can be more reserved than her brother at first but once she warms up she is talkative. She is artistic, creative and imaginative. Loves arts and crafts. But also a very big nature lover, loves to learn. Currently we are sewing together.

Our family loves to camp as often as we can and we LOVE road trip adventures. We like board games with friends and family. And enjoy a good movie night with organic homemade popcorn. Weekends are great for bonfires in our backyard fire pit. We enjoy going hiking with our dogs. We would love to get the heck out of the city, build and live in a cob earthship hybrid structure and live in harmony with nature and like minded people.
Below is something Opal wrote.  


One Race, The Human Race. ❤ One Love, One Earth, One Creator. We are all unique and beautiful pieces of one larger puzzle. We all have individual parts that fit and work together to make one amazing picture. Embrace and love our different personalities and talents but make sure to see the inside of a soul not the color of the skin. Symbiotic relationships is what it's all about .
 
Take care,
Peace, Love and Light.
Opal, Darryl, Christian and Pearl
 
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Hello, I would like to know what is happening or becoming of this. I really have interest in joining with others on land, where we can grow things abundantly for food and other needed material too, which I would involve myself in with others. I am for freedom of any of us in choosing our own wellbeing. I choose for what is most healthy that is available, and the food for that is really involved. But I have yet to move onto any land for it, though I have been acquiring seeds for things to grow for that, and would be helping such a place and all who are there to be more independent from anything outside of those together for this and the land had for that.
 
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All,

We are in Texas Hill Country now and decided to look for place here. We have met many freedom oriented folks here. If you are interested in being in this area, please come visit and PM us.

Thanks!
 
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Loved your reply. We should email, see if our families have more in common.  We are going to start a community in the mountains of Idaho. Email me if interested.  Opal.althoff@gmail.com
 
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S Lee wrote:All,

We are in Texas Hill Country now and decided to look for place here. We have met many freedom oriented folks here. If you are interested in being in this area, please come visit and PM us.

Thanks!



I wish we were closer to the Hill Country than we are now.  We used to live near Waco, then we moved to a farm where the owner wanted to begin a community of sorts on his 10 acres in NE Texas.  We worked in exchange for rent and utilities, and basically ran the farm.  He was an MD but also believed in medical freedom, as do we.  We were basically family at that farm, and everything seemed perfect.  We were there for two years before everything came crashing down this past October - very literally speaking.  He perished in a plane crash on his way home from one of his other farms.  Unfortunately, the executor of his estate had to sell, so we had to move.

We moved to a place a little further north with a house on two acres with similar conditions - work off the rent, and we offered to pay our share of the utilities (he still lives on the property in a tiny house that he built and has access to the house for water, bathroom, etc.).  Our job was to take care of the rabbits (200 of them), keep up the yard, help with the trees on his 170 acres (planting fruit trees, starting seedlings, and thinning the pines for harvest), and any other little tasks that come up.  There was a plan to fix this place up, and we'd buy it the same way we're renting it now - working it off.  He's also into medical freedom - he's free from all modern medical care.  Herbal teas is his way.  Great - I'm a master herbalist, I'm totally on board with that!  He also says he plans to move to his tiny house on the other property and live a more Amish-type lifestyle, basically off grid.  Cool deal!  He also wanted to live off his social security retirement check of $800 without touching his trust accounts (he has other money-producing property and a working farm elsewhere).  Frugal is good!

Long story short, we figured out how he lives so cheap - he's literally living off of us and his neighbors.  We have no issues paying our share, but we're also paying for most of his share, too.  He uses the same amount of electricity every month, so he pays his part and we pay ours.  he pays the same amount for water every month, despite his increased usage hauling water to the other property, so we get stuck with all but $30 of a $100 water bill for 6000 gallons (we use about 3000 gallons a month).  We do invite him to eat with us now and then, and he's taken that to mean he can raid the fridge anytime he wants.  He does this to our neighbors, too, one being an elderly lady that's almost 90 years old.  We've all had to hide several things so he doesn't just help himself to everything.  The way he talks to my wife - the outright demands for domestic duties - no man should even talk to his own wife like that, let alone another man's wife.  He conveniently does this when I'm not within earshot.  There's much more, but I've covered some of the basics.  He's figured out that we've figured him out and won't let him get away with taking advantage of us anymore, so now he wants us to go.  He's given us until the end of the year to go, but his mind changes with the wind.

I mention all of this to tell you this.  We don't scam or take advantage of others.  We've been trusted with others' property, and at times, their money.  Every item and every penny accounted for.  At our last farm, he trusted us with his unlimited credit cards.  We would never use them unless he specifically told us to or we cleared it with him first.  We treat others' property with utmost respect.  If I break it, I fix or replace it on my dime.  If something needs to be fixed (like a truck or tractor), I let the owner know and work with them on the best course of action to get it done.  Me personally - I've been trusted with other people lives - literally.  I've worked in fire and EMS, where we are trusted to the max with life and property.  The ultimate proof (or gesture) of trust is when a mother brings her child to you - kid in one arm and his amputated toe in the other hand, and says "Please fix this."  We're not thieves or scammers, and we prefer not to deal with same.

We're pretty cool and laid back (I think).  We're all about freedom - freedom to eat chemical-free food, freedom to handle your medical needs as you see fit and refuse treatment if desired, freedom to associate, freedom in general.  We were born free, this country was built on freedom, so lets be free together as we make our dreams come to fruition!

My wife (also a member her) and I would need to stay within about a 100 mile radius of where we are now due to funding.  Just when we though everything was covered and wed 'be able to save the rest of our stimulus check, the truck broke down and it's a hard to find part.  So well have to tap into what's left of our savings to make a move, and would need to rent a truck or trailer to move.  We both have craft stuff that we use to make money, a boatload of seeds and some gardening supplies, our tools, my computer, a fridge and a freezer (fridge can be sold if needed), my computer and the two tables I use for a desk, and a bed as well as other typical household stuff.  Our hundred-mile circle covers the Arklatex - NW Louisiana, SW Arkansas. SE Oklahoma and northeast Texas.  
 
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I wish we were closer to the Hill Country than we are now.  We used to live near Waco, then we moved to a farm where the owner wanted to begin a community of sorts on his 10 acres in NE Texas.  We worked in exchange for rent and utilities, and basically ran the farm.  He was an MD but also believed in medical freedom, as do we.  We were basically family at that farm, and everything seemed perfect.  We were there for two years before everything came crashing down this past October - very literally speaking.  He perished in a plane crash on his way home from one of his other farms.  Unfortunately, the executor of his estate had to sell, so we had to move.

We moved to a place a little further north with a house on two acres with similar conditions - work off the rent, and we offered to pay our share of the utilities (he still lives on the property in a tiny house that he built and has access to the house for water, bathroom, etc.).  Our job was to take care of the rabbits (200 of them), keep up the yard, help with the trees on his 170 acres (planting fruit trees, starting seedlings, and thinning the pines for harvest), and any other little tasks that come up.  There was a plan to fix this place up, and we'd buy it the same way we're renting it now - working it off.  He's also into medical freedom - he's free from all modern medical care.  Herbal teas is his way.  Great - I'm a master herbalist, I'm totally on board with that!  He also says he plans to move to his tiny house on the other property and live a more Amish-type lifestyle, basically off grid.  Cool deal!  He also wanted to live off his social security retirement check of $800 without touching his trust accounts (he has other money-producing property and a working farm elsewhere).  Frugal is good!

Long story short, we figured out how he lives so cheap - he's literally living off of us and his neighbors.  We have no issues paying our share, but we're also paying for most of his share, too.  He uses the same amount of electricity every month, so he pays his part and we pay ours.  he pays the same amount for water every month, despite his increased usage hauling water to the other property, so we get stuck with all but $30 of a $100 water bill for 6000 gallons (we use about 3000 gallons a month).  We do invite him to eat with us now and then, and he's taken that to mean he can raid the fridge anytime he wants.  He does this to our neighbors, too, one being an elderly lady that's almost 90 years old.  We've all had to hide several things so he doesn't just help himself to everything.  The way he talks to my wife - the outright demands for domestic duties - no man should even talk to his own wife like that, let alone another man's wife.  He conveniently does this when I'm not within earshot.  There's much more, but I've covered some of the basics.  He's figured out that we've figured him out and won't let him get away with taking advantage of us anymore, so now he wants us to go.  He's given us until the end of the year to go, but his mind changes with the wind.

I mention all of this to tell you this.  We don't scam or take advantage of others.  We've been trusted with others' property, and at times, their money.  Every item and every penny accounted for.  At our last farm, he trusted us with his unlimited credit cards.  We would never use them unless he specifically told us to or we cleared it with him first.  We treat others' property with utmost respect.  If I break it, I fix or replace it on my dime.  If something needs to be fixed (like a truck or tractor), I let the owner know and work with them on the best course of action to get it done.  Me personally - I've been trusted with other people lives - literally.  I've worked in fire and EMS, where we are trusted to the max with life and property.  The ultimate proof (or gesture) of trust is when a mother brings her child to you - kid in one arm and his amputated toe in the other hand, and says "Please fix this."  We're not thieves or scammers, and we prefer not to deal with same.

We're pretty cool and laid back (I think).  We're all about freedom - freedom to eat chemical-free food, freedom to handle your medical needs as you see fit and refuse treatment if desired, freedom to associate, freedom in general.  We were born free, this country was built on freedom, so lets be free together as we make our dreams come to fruition!

My wife (also a member her) and I would need to stay within about a 100 mile radius of where we are now due to funding.  Just when we though everything was covered and wed 'be able to save the rest of our stimulus check, the truck broke down and it's a hard to find part.  So well have to tap into what's left of our savings to make a move, and would need to rent a truck or trailer to move.  We both have craft stuff that we use to make money, a boatload of seeds and some gardening supplies, our tools, my computer, a fridge and a freezer (fridge can be sold if needed), my computer and the two tables I use for a desk, and a bed as well as other typical household stuff.  Our hundred-mile circle covers the Arklatex - NW Louisiana, SW Arkansas. SE Oklahoma and northeast Texas.  



I'm sorry to hear about your situation.. I hear or see about this type of relationships going bad.
It sounds like the Doctor landlord was a great situation but unfortunate outcome.
I have experience being landlord of 2 properties (in exchange for cash rent). I even designed a special rent schedule  and teach one current tenant how to budget/manage money so they can own their own house in the future.
We have a private well, so no water bill, just maintenance costs on the well pump, tanks, etc.
Nothing has been done on the land so far, but that's also the exciting part..
PM me and let's connect to see if it would be mutually beneficial !
 
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I'm looking for a freedom loving community where we can be as self reliant as possible. I'm in Seattle with asap relocation  intentions, seeking place that is seeking my creative self. Avid wild harvester. Nettles and Devil's Club are among my faves. I love to use what I find medicinally, and culinarily. I just finished my first WWOOFER experience in very Northern CA, and love that region. Not much muscle, but very good at detail oriented, general lighter garden, etc. work. Excellent creative and practical problem solver and imagineer.
 
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