Chris Holcombe wrote:Yeah absolutely pines will work for you. Korean nut pine comes to mind. I think there’s even some Siberian nut pines. Martin Crawford has an excellent book on all kinds of nuts. It’s worth checking out
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Skandi Rogers wrote:Only going on what I am reading but they very rarely flower here and even when they do it's even less common that they ripen any nuts. I've not seen any large ones around either which I used to in Aberdeen.
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Morfydd St. Clair wrote:
I actually just got around to shelling my first (tiny) harvest of bladdernuts! .
Eino Kenttä wrote:Araucaria doesn't fruit in Denmark? Weird, because according to the Norwegian alien species list it fruits well on the west coast of Norway, so well north of your location Skandi. (https://artsdatabanken.no/Fremmedarter/2018/N/3374) Also, I definitely saw one with ripe cones at about 63 degrees north (also Norwegian coast) although I never got around to checking if there were any seeds on that one. Probably not, as it was the only one of its species in the immediate vicinity. Awesome tree though, and the nuts are super tasty boiled, quite like chestnuts.
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Eino Kenttä wrote:I'm thinking of trying shagbark hickory (Carya laciniosa) as I've read that it can fruit in southern Sweden, but haven't found a reputable seed source yet. Does anyone know of one (preferably in Europe)? But again, it will take many years to reach maturity...
Yellowhorn (Xanthoceras sorbifolium) is mentioned a lot, but few people seem to have actually tasted it. You find dozens of sources (all quoting each other, I suppose) claiming that the nuts taste like macadamias, but that seems to be nothing more than rumor. Tried to find statements from people who actually tried, could only find two who said they had. One said that it was pleasant eating, but not entirely like macadamias, while the other said it was barely edible and quite disgusting. Did anyone here try? Also, not sure how far north it would be hardy.
Nut pines are nice! In northern Sweden you find them (probably Pinus sibirica) planted in a lot of small villages, even in the cold inland. I once heard someone claim that the state at some point encouraged people to plant them as an emergency food source for scarce years (fat, yum). Unusually good thinking for the state, if it's true...
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Eino Kenttä wrote:Thanks! What's the name of the company/catalog? Not sure what species it is either, but guess either C. laciniosa or C. ovata. Both are hardy and fruiting in south Sweden according to what I read...
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Simon Flygare wrote:Both chestnuts and almonds can crop in denmark. My grandparents got an almond (cant remember the cultivar) that usually get loads of nuts. Its up against a wall so its a bit shelted in its location, but almonds can be grown here especially if your in a milder part of the country. Sweetchestnuts are naturalized and spreeding in some places in denmark and they crop very well. The chestnuts i´ve seen around here are seedling trees so the nuts are a bit smaller but I know of people who has planted grafted varites that should produce decently in our climate. Last october I found a huge chestnut in a park in copenhagen that produced nuts the size of those imported for eating. Black walnut can grow and produce ripe nuts here and the taste is great and totally different than the regular walnut (juglans regia). Due to black walnuts ripening here I think that some of the pecans and hickories with a more northern distribution might be alright also, but its just a theory.
Skandi Rogers wrote:
Morfydd St. Clair wrote:
I actually just got around to shelling my first (tiny) harvest of bladdernuts! .
So what do they taste like? I've never heard of them before but they are available here and apparently crop well so if they taste decent they sound worth planting
Skandi Rogers wrote:
Simon Flygare wrote:Both chestnuts and almonds can crop in denmark. My grandparents got an almond (cant remember the cultivar) that usually get loads of nuts. Its up against a wall so its a bit shelted in its location, but almonds can be grown here especially if your in a milder part of the country. Sweetchestnuts are naturalized and spreeding in some places in denmark and they crop very well. The chestnuts i´ve seen around here are seedling trees so the nuts are a bit smaller but I know of people who has planted grafted varites that should produce decently in our climate. Last october I found a huge chestnut in a park in copenhagen that produced nuts the size of those imported for eating. Black walnut can grow and produce ripe nuts here and the taste is great and totally different than the regular walnut (juglans regia). Due to black walnuts ripening here I think that some of the pecans and hickories with a more northern distribution might be alright also, but its just a theory.
Interesting that sweet chestnuts can fruit here the only one I have ever seen died about 5 years ago when we had a spell of -15 it was quite a large tree as well I know they should survive that temperature but rosemary and sage don't survive outside here either and they should as well. (I suspect it's the constant freeze thaw and damp) Interesting you found one that produced big nuts, in the UK it's very noticeable how much smaller the nuts are in the north than they are in the south. I found a good crop in Durham but they were nearly half the size of the New Forest ones. It might be worth getting some seed from that tree. Not that I will ever be in Copenhagen.
I am up near Hanstholm so it's much cooler than copenhagen, and my only south(east) facing wall is reserved for a fig it was only planted last year so will take a while. I found this little diagram showing the heat differences over denmark
And the link so you can see what the colours mean
Markus Padourek wrote:I also just realised I have the book "permakultuhaven" which is from two people in midtjylland and they are writing that almonds can grow in denmark, but needs protection from wind and as much sun as possible. They also say, that one should select cultivars that fit to the northern climate. About chestnut (Castanea sativa) they say that it grows well in denmark as long as there are at least two trees close to each other.
Markus Padourek wrote:
Skandi Rogers wrote:
Simon Flygare wrote:Both chestnuts and almonds can crop in denmark. My grandparents got an almond (cant remember the cultivar) that usually get loads of nuts. Its up against a wall so its a bit shelted in its location, but almonds can be grown here especially if your in a milder part of the country. Sweetchestnuts are naturalized and spreeding in some places in denmark and they crop very well. The chestnuts i´ve seen around here are seedling trees so the nuts are a bit smaller but I know of people who has planted grafted varites that should produce decently in our climate. Last october I found a huge chestnut in a park in copenhagen that produced nuts the size of those imported for eating. Black walnut can grow and produce ripe nuts here and the taste is great and totally different than the regular walnut (juglans regia). Due to black walnuts ripening here I think that some of the pecans and hickories with a more northern distribution might be alright also, but its just a theory.
Interesting that sweet chestnuts can fruit here the only one I have ever seen died about 5 years ago when we had a spell of -15 it was quite a large tree as well I know they should survive that temperature but rosemary and sage don't survive outside here either and they should as well. (I suspect it's the constant freeze thaw and damp) Interesting you found one that produced big nuts, in the UK it's very noticeable how much smaller the nuts are in the north than they are in the south. I found a good crop in Durham but they were nearly half the size of the New Forest ones. It might be worth getting some seed from that tree. Not that I will ever be in Copenhagen.
I am up near Hanstholm so it's much cooler than copenhagen, and my only south(east) facing wall is reserved for a fig it was only planted last year so will take a while. I found this little diagram showing the heat differences over denmark
And the link so you can see what the colours mean
That is interesting to know, I live currently on Hornsherred, so zone c, and chestnut trees grow quite fine here but yeah the nuts are quite small. I have also seen some planted on fyn quite close to the little zone b area, or possibly inside it. But not sure if those ones fruited. And I wonder, how does Mark Shepard grow chestnuts in Wisconsin, which is zone 4b? Are the summers that much warmer? I do know he has done some hybridisation work with american, europen and chinese chestnut so maybe that plays a part in it.
Other than that, we are actually going move to Arden this year to start a permaculture community (https://levefaellesskab.dk/wp/) and looking also into planting different nut trees. I have some books on the topic, but not started the research yet, so will post updates if I find out anything interesting. One nut I saw mentioned I have not heard of before, is the water caltrop/chestnut: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_caltrop It does require water and is an annual but I wonder if it could grow here in denmark.
Markus Padourek wrote:
Other than that, we are actually going move to Arden this year to start a permaculture community (https://levefaellesskab.dk/wp/) and looking also into planting different nut trees. I have some books on the topic, but not started the research yet, so will post updates if I find out anything interesting. One nut I saw mentioned I have not heard of before, is the water caltrop/chestnut: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_caltrop It does require water and is an annual but I wonder if it could grow here in denmark.
Skandi Rogers wrote:
Markus Padourek wrote:
Other than that, we are actually going move to Arden this year to start a permaculture community (https://levefaellesskab.dk/wp/) and looking also into planting different nut trees. I have some books on the topic, but not started the research yet, so will post updates if I find out anything interesting. One nut I saw mentioned I have not heard of before, is the water caltrop/chestnut: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_caltrop It does require water and is an annual but I wonder if it could grow here in denmark.
I very nearly bought a house near Arden 2 years ago but the position on a bend made it unsuitable for a roadside stand (it did have it's own well which was a plus) Water chestnuts are not a nut but rather a root and one of my favourite vegetables, if you get them to grow let me know I don't have any water but I'm sure I could work something out!
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Anita Martin wrote:Maybe this is not quite to the point, but could you not replace nuts with seeds to some extent?
I always add a mix of nuts and seeds to my porridge, and I also use them for bread and cakes.
If you have the space available but not the climate for nuts, you could grow pepitas? The cucurbita pepo var. styriaca originates from Austria and thus can handle a colder climate.
I have only cultivated them once (due to lack of space) and the amount you get is rather small, but still a great food to grow yourself.
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Anton Jacobski Hedman wrote:
By the way it might be worth looking into growing sweet pitted apricots as well for nuts, their nuts/seeds are of near equal value as that of the sweet almond I dare say if they truly are the sweet kind that are very low in cyanide. They are very tasty if not more tasty than almonds. As a bonus with each nut you get a nice sweet apricot to eat as well, so it's like double the harvest! And if the apricot is bad or moldy you can still get a good nut out of the pit/stone as it's not going to be affected by the moldy fruit on the outside. A lot of health stores sell raw, sweet apricot kernels that usually come from Uzbekistan. If your hardiness zone is similar to that of Uzbekistan or not that much colder then you might do well growing these apricots for their nuts? I am currently trying to grow trees out of sweet apricot kernels myself, they are VERY easy to sprout.
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Skandi Rogers wrote:
Anton Jacobski Hedman wrote:
By the way it might be worth looking into growing sweet pitted apricots as well for nuts, their nuts/seeds are of near equal value as that of the sweet almond I dare say if they truly are the sweet kind that are very low in cyanide. They are very tasty if not more tasty than almonds. As a bonus with each nut you get a nice sweet apricot to eat as well, so it's like double the harvest! And if the apricot is bad or moldy you can still get a good nut out of the pit/stone as it's not going to be affected by the moldy fruit on the outside. A lot of health stores sell raw, sweet apricot kernels that usually come from Uzbekistan. If your hardiness zone is similar to that of Uzbekistan or not that much colder then you might do well growing these apricots for their nuts? I am currently trying to grow trees out of sweet apricot kernels myself, they are VERY easy to sprout.
Walnuts grow yes the mother in law had a lovely huge tree before she moved. I have a broadview grafted tree that´s been in the ground 3 years and did flower this year but didn't set anything. Apricots are a greenhouse only thing here, while the tree will grow we'll never get fruit outside. I do know someone who gets amazing apricots, in a massive dome greenhouse, but I don't have that sort of indoor space here.
Anton Jacobski Hedman wrote:[
There are hardy apricot varieties that can be grown in Northern Europe. Examples of such varieties would be: Harcot, Hargrand, Kuresia, Orangered, Nancy. Some Hungarian varieties might also work like Gönczi Magyar/"Best Hungarian" and a few others. I know people growing apricots with success in south Sweden outdoors using some of these varieties!! I've also planted apricots from seed that survived the winter without problem, next year I will also see if the apricots grown from seed will be able to set fruit as they have made a lot of fruit buds now. I also have a couple of grafted varieties(Kuresia and Gönczi magyar). If we can grow them in south Sweden, shouldn't you be able to do the same in Denmark? Also in Russia they developed extra hardy apricot cultivars during the USSR era, but I've yet to hear about these varieties being available in Western Europe. Still the question would be if the sweet pitted apricots can survive in places like Denmark. In the US Starkbros have a hardy sweet pitted variety of apricot by the name "Sweetheart" originating in Idaho which is in a similar USDA hardiness zone as Denmark, but I don't know if there is any nursery in Europe that supplies this tree.
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