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Figuring out urban permaculture

 
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Hello.

As it happens, I've been thinking for some time what is or can be urban permaculture. In my city, we live in tall buildings, not everyone enjoys a small terrace for pot plants, and while there are a few parks here and there, never enough, and urban trees on the streets, mother nature is mostly absent.
If you are lucky, you may find an urban market garden, but they are very expensive or highly contested. So I am thinking, is this a must for a permaculturist? If so, we are denying most urban dwellers the opportunity to become one.

So, I go back to the definition: A design tool for human activities that have three ethics: care for the people, care for nature, fair share. Is it possible to care for all of that in a concrete jungle? Maybe.
I read the design principles again. Nowhere it says 'Thou shall plant,' or 'thou shall plow and irrigate with tears'.
While it's true that nature speaks out loud in a forest full of life, and loud enough in our gardens, Nature still exists in human only environments, for what are we people but products of the same nature?

If I liberate myself from the notion that a permaculturist must have a garden or a farm, then I can start the design process with whatever activity I fancy.


Let's start as always with observation. What do I have in a big city that I can consider 'sectors' of my design?
Or rather, what are inherent urban attributes, features that will always define an urban place, even after the fossil fuels era?
In medieval times, there were different classes of settlements: the rural village, usually a feud or a religious community, and the burgh. The burgh was were liberal proffesions could be worked: artisans, doctors, traders, etc. By focusing all the specialists in one place, they were easier to find, to feed and protect, and the specialists could find enough clients for their trade. The city is just an evolved burgh, with habitants in the hundred thousand, or in the millions.
So one defining characteristic of a city is its massive population. And then its focus on specialized work.

As an example, if my bussiness is shopkeeper, I have many opportunities for selling stuff that is unique, because there are oh so many different people with different tastes. I could sell just chocolote boxes, and there's a chance that my bussiness is successful. On the other hand, if I want my bussiness to succeed, I need to be a shopkeeper most of the working hours. I cannot be a shopkeeper in a specialized chocolate box shop and then go to the farm to raise cattle in my spare time.
As a corollary, unique items and services are more easily obtained in the city. Another collary, living with more people that we can acknowledge means that we have to join an interest group if we want to be part of a community, or we risk feeling isolated.

More observations. In a city, the space is premium. Every square meter counts. The city might be large, but it is also dense, meaning there could be many ammenities, shops and jobs at walking or cycling distance. I say 'could' because some modern cities are poorly designed and are forcing people to use cars. Having a small terrace in the appartment is expensive, having a backyard garden might be prohibitive.
Also, the city habitat is not suitable for large wild animals, and this was done on purpose. City dwellers don't want deer, wolf or bears roaming their streets. Rats, feral cats, pidgeons and other small critters have their place, even at its habitants displease.

While not inherent to the city, we have to account the current city features as it transitions to the end of fossil fuels: full of traffic, noisy, polluted, hot, bright at night, many international products, and so forth.

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Let's say there's a Bert who owns a chocolate box shop, it's his bussiness and his job, and he is doing well. He learns about permaculture. He lives in a 7th floor flat without any terrace, in a big city of one million inhabitants. How could he apply permaculture to his life? He could redesign his current activities following the principles. He could draw a map of the shop (you know you love maps!). He could analyse energy flows, light, temperatures, looking how to save on the energy bills, using whatever natural heat or light he could find. He needs to be sure that any change, any investment, keeps him in the black (obtain a yield!).
He may change the way he packages the products, to reduce waste, or even design a return system. He may study the patterns in which their customers buy: how they move through the shop, seasonal purchases, and then he adapts his workflow to fit their customer habits. Designing from patterns makes everything more simple when arriving at the details.
Integrating activities is hard to achieve for a specialist guy, but he tries. What are the different activities on the shop? Attending customers, contacting providers, cleaning, decorating, accountability, ... Can they really be integrated? Not likely. But how about the other activities. As it happens, Bert loves reading books in his spare time, and even wanted to join a reading group for some time, for his social interactions need some help. Here is a possible solution: integrate the lecture group with the shop. Maybe the shop could offer a reading group time, when sales are low. This may be good for the bussiness or not, but it certainly can be good for Bert, who now can work and attend to the reading groups he wanted. He could also buy a coffee machine, so the customers can taste his chocolates with a suitable drink.
He may learn that there's an active vegan community that dislikes his chocolates because he is using animal fats. Opening a vegan line of products for these customers might not be economically profitable, but there's image value: These are customers that are going to speak well for the bussiness, and having a good reputation is good in general.

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As you see, permaculture principles can be applied to just any human activity. The only real difficulty in the city is that we live immersed in the industrial world and its consumerism. With wild life absent, it is easy to fall into materialism and value profits first and only. The profits mindset is short sighted, maximises benefits at the expense of the future or the well-being of others. The homesteader is almost free from this chain, he can make anything he needs on his own, and only needs some money for a few things. The specialist is not, he needs money for pretty much every material thing he needs.
Therefore, I understand why permaculture has been more successful among homesteaders and gardeners.

In the example above, Bert had some agency on how to design his bussiness. People hired in big companies do not have this chance; policies are decided based only on maximum benefits for the investors by a commitee of people that will never be in touch with the real clients. Change is not going to come from here, permaculture is bad for short term sighted benefits. Small family bussinesses, and co-operatives, is where change can begin.


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That said, I would love to find more examples of urban permaculture designs, not just about urban gardens, but of bussinesses, city buildings, urban communities (with or without garden), real permaculture projects where all the sectors and zones are defined, patterns are understood and the principles are applied. Where we work with nature rather against her, even if it is our human nature.
 
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For folks with a small yard, a Mini food forest might work.

https://permies.com/t/180402/Mini-Food-Forest

How about an indoor food forest using bonsai for folks with an apartment and no terrace?

https://permies.com/t/175376/permaculture-house-plants/sourcing-upgrading-containers-patio-gardening

Many sites have Community Gardens, some have a waiting list so my suggestion would be to get on the waiting list.

Contact owners of vacant lots to ask if they would allow some gardens.

Here is an article I found with some suggestions:

https://www.dummies.com/article/home-auto-hobbies/garden-green-living/gardening/urban/creative-ways-to-garden-in-the-city-170922/
 
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Hi, Ann.

Sure, there are options, and I found one, but these are not for everyone. What I intend to do with this call is to open up the options for the would be permaculturists, so they can find a place where to apply natural designs, even if they can't or they won't find a garden.

The bonsais could be for everyone who wishes to have plants, though.
 
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If you're some kind of "specialist" and you plan on hunkering down in a food crises, I would recommend getting your hands dirty anyhow, even if your expertise is more valuable than food.  You're going to benefit from being able to relate to the people growing your food and convince them that your area of expertise is of value to them.  

If I were in the city, I would consider just 2 rabbits for meat, but primarily for manure, compost it to keep the smell down, take that compost and start growing root stock for grafting fruit trees that you can go around guerrilla planting in inconspicuous places around your neighborhood.  It's a valuable skill, but you gotta have the fertility.  You can feed your rabbits on weeds that would inevitably be in abundance at that time.
 
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Over the years, I have gotten inspiration from places like city office building with lobbies full of plants, botanical gardens, city parks, etc.

When I worked in an office I would use my lunch break to go to the nears park and just walk around enjoying nature.

I would see plants that would inspire me to go home and plant some.

I also like to explore different plant nurseries to see what plants they have that I have never seen before.

Nowadays most of my inspiration comes from seeing pictures on the forum of what others are doing.

I especially like exploring the PEP BB to see what others are doing.
 
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Community is the element of resilience that cities are most suited for.
You have a surplus pf people in close proximity, and with that comes waste that can be repurposed.
Not just physical waste  though there is a lot of that,but also the time and attention of people.

My sister is a chef that teaches free classes at a food rescue facility.
Rescued food is processed by the volenteers, and then they makes and share a meal.
Mona is paid for her time, and she isn't the only one.
The volunteers get an amazing experience that also educates and creates community.
Companies that donate get right offs, and hungry people get fed.
All by diverting otherwise wasted food and attention.
The attention part is key.
No one is on their phones when their hands are occupied with a knife and cutting board.
People are talking with one another and making connections.

I know of at least 4 other non-profit organizations doing the same kind of things.
Most of them exist through the efforts of one or two individuals, but they touch hundreds of lives.



Now, what if we take that same idea and divert wasted heat and water from a local business into a greenhouse?
Don't have a daylite space?
Use the heat and water to sterilize mushroom substrate and keep the grow rooms toasty warm
Don't want to grow anything?
Distill and sell the water in cans, compete against bottled water AND Liquid Death( a cleverly marketed water that is in a aluminum can)with your own Local Liquid.


 
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William Bronson wrote: Community is the element of resilience that cities are most suited for.


I think William nailed it perfectly. In cities, it starts with community. And then little bits of arable land come into play. And then good things happen.
 
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Excellent, William!
This is what I was talking about. Your approach seems really sensitive.
 
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Another 'permie' thing that can suit city appartments is the Liberator mass heater. Small enough to fit inside. Safe enough for regulations.
Or, if the building has central heating, a bigger rocket mass heater in the basement.
What if oil boilers were replaced by big RMHs?

I've seen documentaries about high efficient buildings with energy saving measures, and they sure look like they are saving something on electricity bills, at the cost of a huge high tech machinery that only high skilled companies can service. These are the kind of machines that usually show a faulty chip in a couple of years and the repairs are in the thousands.
Why aren't there buildings installing a bigger version of the RMH? Regulations? Someone needs to make big money for allowing people to install their own?

Yesterday I was reading R Ranson thread about invisible mending. It was revealing for me. Mending clothes is so much a permie thing. Buying new and throwing is not. If you are a permie homesteader, you probably want to learn how to mend it yourself. If you are a permie specialist, you will ask someone else to mend your clothes.
Buying cheap clothes and throwing them is more economical, sure, but it is not permie. And you know that the person who is going to mend your clothes is also a specialist and needs to make a living, so it's just logical that this service is expensive in comparison to the mass produced clothing. Nevermind, I have values, and I value this kind of work.
In CJ example, the permie specialist will buy a well raised turkey at the price of 4 supermarket turkeys, for the same reasons that CJ doesn't mind it to be expensive: it's good for health and environment. It probably means that the permie specialist is not able to renew the smartphone every year, but who cares?
(To be honest, I would buy the turkey if it costs 1.5-2 times more than the mass produced ones, if I know the quality merits.)

Both the people who mend clothes and the people who send their clothing for mending have a permie mindset, and the principles can be used for designing their workplaces and their lives.

PS. I've been using the terms permie homesteader and permie specialist, referring people who make everything on their own vs people who only make one thing and pays for the rest, but the reality is never black and white. I like homemade bread, and even if homemade bread was available in the shops for the right price, I think I would still make my own, just for the pleasure of doing it. Funny fact: I began making my bread when the bakery where I bought good bread changed providers and I dislike the new bread that they are selling.
 
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Bartering ameliorates some of the expense burdens of specialists.  I could do mending or trade rabbit for turkey or bread. I enjoy raising rabbit and would be doing it anyway. Communities of pooled resources carries this further.  I'd love to find someone to take my rabbit furs.. my hands can't do all the stretching anymore, but rabbit fur hats are the warmest you'll find!
 
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Abraham, you were saying, "Nature still exists in human only environments, for what are we people but products of the same nature?" I would say that robs meaning out from the word. Natural should be meaningful, what would be unnatural?
 
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Fred Frank V Bur wrote:Abraham, you were saying, "Nature still exists in human only environments, for what are we people but products of the same nature?" I would say that robs meaning out from the word. Natural should be meaningful, what would be unnatural?


Thank you for the question.
It seems to me that it is easy to mistake Nature with Wilderness.

Natural is everything that abides to the laws of Nature, without the conscious intervention of a person. For example, a chair is artificial, it has been made by a person consciuously. Feeling scared at the sight of a wildfire is natural, and many social dynamics follow the same rules of herd wild animals. Even an internet meme follows the same rules of a natural infection. The very names we give to our children are not so conscious as we like to think: if you take a look at the statistics, you will notice natural patterns.
These natural reactions and dynamics can be observed, understood, and applied to benefit our designs.

Let me give an example.
We have a shop in a cold environment. Clients come inside with their coats put on, but after five to six steps, they feel uncomfortable and want to take their coats out. This is not a conscious decission, but a natural reaction. That will tell the designer where is the best place to locate a coat rack. You are taking their coats at the moment that they are willing to leave them, minimizing work.

Our inventions may not be part of Nature as we understand it, but we certainly are.
 
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Bryant said, " The great proponent of Permaculture, Bill Mollison, stated in his treatise “The aim to create systems that are ecologically sound and Economically Viable” as the prime goal of Permaculture.



https://permies.com/t/59524/permaculture/Prime-Goal-Permaculture

Tyler said, "The prime goal of permaculture, as I interpret Bill's words, is not economical, but biological - to restore and return the majority of the planet to wild nature. As a means to that end - but not the end itself - is the need for economically viable permaculture systems.



https://permies.com/t/59524/permaculture/Prime-Goal-Permaculture#506066

I feel like both of these statements can fit into figuring out urban permaculture.

The Permaculture Playing Cards might be a fun way to help figure this all out:

https://permies.com/t/51838/Story-Permaculture-Playing-Cards
 
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Anne Miller wrote:

I feel like both of these statements can fit into figuring out urban permaculture.



Yes, it does.

I guess what I try con convey is the idea that permaculture, even if it has been developed with agriculture in mind, can be applied outside of agriculture. And this idea gives the freedom to people not good with plants, or who specialize in other tasks (as is likely the case in the urban), to also become part of this family.

If the ultimate goal is to allow Wilderness to recover, we can help by adapting our consumption to sustainable levels, thus demanding less cultivated areas.
 
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Abraham Palma wrote: can be applied outside of agriculture. And this idea gives the freedom to people not good with plants, or who specialize in other tasks (as is likely the case in the urban), to also become part of this family.



Maybe these ideas are somewhat similar to what you have in mind.

Our forum recently had a Book Promo in the Finacial Strategy Forum

This topic conveys some ideas for fitting permaculture into one's finances:

Laura said, "A few years ago I took the time to try applying all 12 of Holmgren's permaculture principles to personal finance.



https://permies.com/t/234928/Applying-Holmgren-principles-personal-finance

This is one I did several years ago about applying permaculture principles in the home:

From what I have learned about permaculture, it is about creating a system that works.  ... Some of the ways I use permaculture in my home is to use safe products to clean my house.



https://permies.com/t/147400/Permaculture-Work-Home

I was looking for a topic on "permaculture in the workplace" and found this topic, not about the workplace though just spending one hour a day doing something related to permaculture:

https://permies.com/t/122175/permaculture/Permaculture-hour-day

At least I hope these have given you and others some "food for thought".
 
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Exactly what I was talking about.

This post from 2019 says it all:

Elizabeth Geller wrote:

I've barely scratched the surface in terms of learning about permaculture, but it seems to be about a lot more than digging holes and making mushroom slurries.  It's an approach to...everything.  



The permacultural approach to finances is a very suitable example.
 
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I like this thread, since all I have is a patio for potted plants right now its good to think outside of the ... patio and talk about other things that I can do too.
 
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