Helping Out and Earning Ones Keep

Eric VonRaderson wrote:how do you do that?

Click my name (in blue), and scroll down to where it says Purple Moosage, and click that button. Then you can send me your information without the whole world seeing it.

Or, click this link: https://permies.com/forums/pm/sendTo/180054

If I’m not mistaken, that should take you right to a window where you may compose a message to me.

There are a few ways.  The easiest way is to click on the person's name in a post they made somewhere.  That will take you to a page about them with their recent posts and other helpful info.  In the upper right corner are a few buttons.  One says "follow", one is an envelope and there might be a picture of a piece of pie.  If you click the envelope it will start a message to that person using the PM (Purple Mooseage) system.  PMs are hidden from public view so it's a great place to talk about things like addresses, phone numbers and other personal stuff.

Another way to get into the PM system is at the very top of most screens on Permies there's a header with lots of clickable links like "Home", "Subscribe", "Logout", etc.  In the bottom right of the links is one called Purple Mooseages.  Give that a click and it takes you to your PM system.  Then you can write a PM or read PMs.  You have to type in the person's name so it's a bit slower than just clicking on their name in a post somewhere.

I hope that makes sense, let me know if I can explain it better!  I'd post a picture but the view is different for me as a moderator so it won't look the same...  


Edit:  Ugh, I didn't realize I was at the end of the page and Beau had already replied on page 2.  Oh well

Eric VonRaderson wrote:how do you do that?

If you click on a person's name (on the left side of the screen), it will take you to a page that's all about that person. On the top right part of that page, there's a little picture of an envelope.  Clicking on that will take you to a page where you sort of write an email to that person, but it's not an email, it's a direct message, or "purple moosage" to that person.

I get an email to tell me about new PMs, you may or may not have that set up.  I sent you a PM to see.

***Jinx!!  I did the same thing, Mike!***

Thank You for the info all. I think I have it covered now. Still would like a current list of stuff wanted by Paul. I just might have it. 60 years of going to auctions and now have it all. Now to get rid of it.

Many things may have changed since I was last at Wheaton Labs but I'm thinking they could use:

Gear for a blacksmith shop
Timber framing tools like adzes, froes, brace/bits, auger bits, gouges, etc
Professional well drilling rig
Rocket mass heater parts - 55 gallon steel drums, chimney pipe, fire brick
Plasma cutter?
Newer truck and/or van
Shaving horse

Some of these are likely more expensive than what you had in mind but I figured I'd throw them out there...

First, we already have a plasma cutter - so we are okay there.  The new truck sounds good - our stuff isn't doing well.


We spent the better part of an hour last night talking about this.  Josiah is making an excellent list.  The stuff I can remember:

torx screws and bits.   This was brought up several times.


Is there such a thing as sheets of tin anymore?  Maybe aluminum?  We have a couple of projects where I would solve it with that if we had it, but I'm not sure if that's even a thing anymore.  

"bark peeling spuds" --  We had a few that seem pretty used up.  I think they are sold elsewhere as "sidwalk ice scrapers"

They look kinda like this, although our old ones are painted orange on the tip instead of black



Wood chisels was mentioned several times

Grain mill

Wood flooring

Mike mentions a brace and that almost got applause last night.

I know that everybody at Sepp Holzer's place carries pruners with them all times.  We only have a couple.  

Wooden kitchen table chairs

josiah will have about 20 or 30 more things.

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We also spent some time talking about long term housing for eric and barbara.  We have some ideas.

Thought this might be helpful information for planning. Eric and I spoke briefly this week. At this point, I’m planning on driving to his place on October 15, loading up and helping out on the 16th, and departing for the Lab on the 17th. That is now just under a month away. I’ll be driving my older Tundra, with all the bed space available, and can pull a reasonable amount by trailer if needed.

We gathered at the kitchen table last night and came up with this very long list of things that we can use for current or future projects at Wheaton Labs.

Torx screws
Bits and drivers
Metal flashing and sheet scrap
Bark peeling spuds
Pitchforks
Sickles
Wood chisels
Rock bars
Grain mill
Electric heater
Thermostats

Light bulb mounts
Wood flooring
Gutters
Wood barrels
Glass shower door
Tig welder
Baseboards
Firehose stuff
Solar lights
Scythe and snath
Tool handles
Hdpe pipe fittings

Tarps
Bow saws
Canning jars
Brace (hand drill)
Wooden chairs
Pruners
Files (for sharpening)
Manual planers

Bee suits
Honey extractor
More hives
Swarm traps
Lumber
Cedar shakes

Sweet, I'll be showing up around then also for the BB20 event.  It will be great to meet you Eric!

We have one of these things right now:



https://amzn.to/3mwRhF5

It would be handy to get a couple more.  But I suspect that that is not the sort of thing that shows up at auctions in nebraska.  :)

What about solar panels, solar thermal stuff, circulating pumps, batteries and related contraptions?

And when the well goes in at the lab, we're gonna need  lot of plumbing.

Sir, I have some copper, lots of galvanized and plastic pipe plumbing connections. I have a lot, meaning at least a half a ton of new old rubber hose that came from a business that repaired gas station hoses, from the delevery truck rubber to the pump hoses 3"&4" I also have a pipe threading tool that I believe goes up to 4" that puts threads on well pipe. I have a lot of finish trim, some as long as 20'.Would you want all this stuff?  I brought up some time ago about making a shop or storage area of a 40' dry van that I have. I have did this before and it turned out to be one of the things that worked out really well for me. The chassis is taken out and sold and the box is set on the ground, on small blocks. I have steel shelving for it. The van has a good oak floor. I see it as an extention, butted up to your shop. I have no one to bounce my ideas off of, so I am using this forum to. Thanks for the list, keep adding to the list, one never knows.  helps me to know what to bring next.   PS  I forgot about asking you if I could come up to the Holy Land. I would be a good boy and mind my manners and obey my elders, if there is one there. Eric

Sir, I have some new tin, it is galvanized. Two pieces 13' of 36" and 15' of 30". I shall deliver it end of October. Eric

Eric VonRaderson wrote:Sir, I have some copper, lots of galvanized and plastic pipe plumbing connections. I have a lot, meaning at least a half a ton of new old rubber hose that came from a business that repaired gas station hoses, from the delevery truck rubber to the pump hoses 3"&4" I also have a pipe threading tool that I believe goes up to 4" that puts threads on well pipe. I have a lot of finish trim, some as long as 20'.Would you want all this stuff?  I brought up some time ago about making a shop or storage area of a 40' dry van that I have. I have did this before and it turned out to be one of the things that worked out really well for me. The chassis is taken out and sold and the box is set on the ground, on small blocks. I have steel shelving for it. The van has a good oak floor. I see it as an extention, butted up to your shop. I have no one to bounce my ideas off of, so I am using this forum to. Thanks for the list, keep adding to the list, one never knows.  helps me to know what to bring next.   PS  I forgot about asking you if I could come up to the Holy Land. I would be a good boy and mind my manners and obey my elders, if there is one there. Eric

Hi Eric,
My name is Dez--we met at your last visit.. If you are who I am remembering, I see that your generosity continues.. Let's bounce ideas~!

You and I can open a line of communication to coordinate and/or decipher how to best deliver any needed items.. I was wondering if I could perhaps get a few more details about them? It sounds like there are about 6 different "groups" of items being offered.. Happy to discuss in this forum thread, or let me know if you have a different idea that might be simpler..
1) Copper
2) Plumbing connections (for galvanized and/or plastic pipes)
3) Rubber hose for gas station repairs (3" & 4")
4) A Pipe Threading tool (up to 4", for well pipe)
5) Finish Trim (as long as 20')
6) A Dry Van (40', possibly for storage)

Just get off the phone with Eric, discussing what I can transport up to the Lab for him when I head up next week. He’s planning on loading me up with 20 panels of glass for the greenhouse, which sound like the most urgent thing of which he’s aware. He also has a heap of doors we could squeeze in around the edges. Sounds like he has a nearly unlimited amount of stuff, but is uncertain how to discern what he should and shouldn’t send.

At this point, I’m thinking of driving my tundra up on the 16th, and loading up the glass and whatever else will fit into the bed. I’m able to bring a 12-foot, 6500lb capacity trailer if we need the extra space, but Eric needs some info for that to become necessary.

I’m also planning to haul up some Eastern Red Cedar logs to split shakes, so things may fill up fast if you want some more stuff to head up that way.

Paul and all, give it some though and let me know!

One more thing, and you probably know this, but he’s planning on a large haul up there with much of what you’ve discuss in the Spring. So this is more for stuff you have use for this fall/winter.

Josiah Kobernik wrote:We gathered at the kitchen table last night and came up with this very long list of things that we can use for current or future projects at Wheaton Labs.

Torx screws
Bits and drivers
Metal flashing and sheet scrap
Bark peeling spuds
Pitchforks
Sickles
Wood chisels
Rock bars
Grain mill
Electric heater
Thermostats

Light bulb mounts
Wood flooring
Gutters
Wood barrels
Glass shower door
Tig welder
Baseboards
Firehose stuff
Solar lights
Scythe and snath
Tool handles
Hdpe pipe fittings

Tarps
Bow saws
Canning jars
Brace (hand drill)
Wooden chairs
Pruners
Files (for sharpening)
Manual planers

Bee suits
Honey extractor
More hives
Swarm traps
Lumber
Cedar shakes

Beau,
Here's a list we've compiled in response to your previous previous post.. might this help you at all? If any of the items you have are on this list, and you have room for them, please load it up.. otherwise, I'm happy to address any specific questions.. thanks~!
-Dez =D

What!! no vcr tapes for Paul. Thanks for listing this. If you think of even one more thing post it, for I might have it.

I bet drill bits for a brace would be useful.

Mike, in a box ready to go. What do you think of making anvils out of a railroad rail? I have a piece or two, should I send them in the load? Eric

It surely couldn't hurt as long as they aren't overly big.  

I bet nearly any kind of woodworking tool that would've been common in 1843 would be welcome.  Plus, now that I hear they have some nice anvils, some blacksmithing tools could be helpful as well.  Tongs, hammers, forge, etc

Dez Choi wrote:

Josiah Kobernik wrote:We gathered at the kitchen table last night and came up with this very long list of things that we can use for current or future projects at Wheaton Labs.

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Beau,
Here's a list we've compiled in response to your previous previous post.. might this help you at all? If any of the items you have are on this list, and you have room for them, please load it up.. otherwise, I'm happy to address any specific questions.. thanks~!
-Dez =D

Thanks, Dez! I'm passing through fairly briefly to pick stuff up, but I'll keep an eye out for these things.

Eric, are you coming up to Wheaton labs next weekend?  Or is Beau just hauling a load and you're staying behind?  Just curious.....

Mike Haasl wrote:Eric, are you coming up to Wheaton labs next weekend?  Or is Beau just hauling a load and you're staying behind?  Just curious.....

Eric’s not coming along - just sending some things with me.

Mike Haasl wrote:It surely couldn't hurt as long as they aren't overly big.  

I bet nearly any kind of woodworking tool that would've been common in 1843 would be welcome.  Plus, now that I hear they have some nice anvils, some blacksmithing tools could be helpful as well.  Tongs, hammers, forge, etc

This reminds me of something in one of my blacksmithing books. It says that the anvil was the one thing a blacksmith couldn't practically make himself. It also said that all of the craftsmen in a village depended on the blacksmith for their tools, but the blacksmith depended on himself. Even if he doesn't have any blacksmith tools to donate (he's truly outdone himself already) maybe some scraps of metal the right sizes and shape can go toward allowing people at the labs to make the tools, or if space is limited on the truck maybe other  "non-makable" items can take priority. This could even be tied into the PEP program for some people to get some BB's at the Labs while tooling up at the same time. Maybe work it into one of the events at the Labs or give some boots the opportunity to make some tongs, hardies, fullers, etc.

Mike, I am sending you two boxes up to Montana. Make sure to ask Beau for them. I have four pieces of rail each about 30 inches long which would make 8 anvils. I have seen anvils made on the internet, it looks like it would take some time to get one made though. I am sending an anvil to Paul for his personal use, be sure to get him to show it to you. Eric

Thanks Eric!  I'll remember for sure :)  

A friend saw this awesome railroad anvil for sale in a shop recently.  It even had a hardy hole

It would also be cool to build the stand for it. That would take a shorter time to accomplish

I'll make the stand if someone else makes the anvil.  I'd probably just use a big stump...

Now that I know what a hard working carpenter/woodsman/anti-anvil maker you are I can appreciate your candor. I will admit I was stumped for awhile. ER

I think I'm getting a bit lost in our conversation as well.  That's ok, typing isn't quite as easy as talking face to face.

I'm looking forward to seeing Beau on Saturday and hopefully when I'm at the lab next summer it will overlap with you being on site so we can meet!

See y’all tomorrow!

Oh my, he just broke our mirror.

Beau arrived last night after the sun set.

This morning, two boxes were delivered to me.  

Christmas time!

At the top of the list is a manual drill press.   Super cool.  I didn't know this sort of thing existed.  I look forward to trying this out.  

Several braces with bits - including something with a wood handle that will accept the same bits!  I've seen this sort of thing before, but the bit was always fixed.  This allows the bit to be swapped out.  Neat!

Several manual drills.

Several hand planes - I know there is nothing as satisfying as the curls of wood from a hand planer.  It is good to now have a buffet of styles!

A 1902 sears and roebuck catalog.   I think all of the pages are still there.  My understanding is that the primary function of the catalog was served in outhouses all across america.

More stuff is here!  Pics soon!

Thanks Eric!  Thanks Beau!

Thanks for the two boxes Eric!  They're very cool.  They look nice sitting in the Red Cabin so I might leave them here as a combination of decoration and utility.

I checked out the anvils and they're perfect.  The Peter Wright is perfect for proper blacksmithing and the 55 pounder will be good for the first timers to practice with

Mike Haasl wrote:
I checked out the anvils and they're perfect.  The Peter Wright is perfect for proper blacksmithing and the 55 pounder will be good for the first timers to practice with

Mike, what's the weight of the Peter Wright? Hardy size? Any hardies?
Same questions for 55 pounder...

Mike, did you get to see the blue anvil of Pauls? I haven't heard about if the glass panes will work for projects or not, also about the fire doors. I need some feedback so I can plan my next move. I know everyone is probably really busy now but I am an old fart and need to get er done before I am too  far under ground to be able to move at all. Respectfully Yours, Eric  PS   Beau, are you coming back to our humble home and if so when?

 PS   Beau, are you coming back to our humble home and if so when?

Planning on it! I'll give you a ring here presently...

Kenneth Elwell wrote:Mike, what's the weight of the Peter Wright? Hardy size? Any hardies?
Same questions for 55 pounder...

The big anvil is 114 lbs and has a 1" hardy hole and a 1/2" pritchel hole (slightly larger than that but not 5/8").  The little anvil has a 1" hardy hole as well but no pritchel.  The folks here don't believe there are any hardy tools here but they are also now aware what a hardy hole/tool is.