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Jay Angler wrote:I agree with Richard - I've had too many grommets fail. However, notice he used the term "hem" so that suggests he recommends folding over the fabric at the edges.
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You can absolutely take strips of canvas and sew them into straps instead of using nylon webbing. Just don't underestimate how much material this would take, as I would fold it into thirds and have a half inch to press under so the outside bit won't fray and so it would be strong enough that it won't stretch.Coydon Wallham wrote:How about some way to sew straps out of canvas taken from the bolt? Anchoring in short bits of my 1/4" manilla hemp to provide tie off loops?
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Jay Angler wrote:
You can absolutely take strips of canvas and sew them into straps instead of using nylon webbing. Just don't underestimate how much material this would take, as I would fold it into thirds and have a half inch to press under so the outside bit won't fray and so it would be strong enough that it won't stretch.Coydon Wallham wrote:How about some way to sew straps out of canvas taken from the bolt? Anchoring in short bits of my 1/4" manilla hemp to provide tie off loops?
How wide of webbing did they recommend?
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Coydon Wallham wrote: So to make a decent one from the canvas that comes out 1", cut a strip 3" wide, fold and press 1/2" at the edges, then fold the remaining 2" strip 1/2" from each edge again so that the two 1/2" doubled sections meet in the back? Would one stitch in the center of each side be enough?
These 'strap loops' would have rope fed through them to be tied to the frame (or staked to the ground for the roof). So I am thinking the straps would just be anchored to opposite sides of the fabric, and would loop, with 1/2 to an inch of excess, past the edge of the fabric.
Okay, so no need to fold both edges under when making the canvas strap. But how does the outer flap with the folded edge run? For 1" 'strap' would there be 3 1/2" total fabric so that the outer back layer would go all the way and have 1/2" left over to fold under? Stitching would have to be off centre then. If it were 3" total I could fold that flap at 2/3 with the extra 1/3" in the centre to stitch there, but then the strap would be lacking a third layer on one side and have 4 layers in the centre, seems awkward...
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I was wondering the same thing when reading about the hemp getting loose, so it's not a bad thing to consider. In my climate the answer would be easy - Stainless steel with a locking nut. Yes, expensive. Yes, lasts forever. Yes, that means if something breaks or rots, you can replace it. I'd use round head Robertson (square drive) with the head on the outside.Coydon Wallham wrote:It has also occurred to me another option I had seen somewhere- using hardware. I'd rather have metal bits than plastic bits. I'm guessing cost is 5 to 10 times more than the rope, but not that big of an investment all things considered. These questions remain- usability, durability and availability?
The big one: will hardware hold the walls too tight, do they need some flex to curve and/or deal with weight loads?
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Jay Angler wrote:I was wondering the same thing when reading about the hemp getting loose, so it's not a bad thing to consider. In my climate the answer would be easy - Stainless steel with a locking nut. Yes, expensive. Yes, lasts forever. Yes, that means if something breaks or rots, you can replace it. I'd use round head Robertson (square drive) with the head on the outside.
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Coydon Wallham wrote:
As far as I can tell square drives are only available in screws and I don't want to deal with the inside of the yurt acting like an iron maiden waiting to clamp down on a victim. The other bolts I'm seeing are normal hex heads which are a bit more expensive and less convenient, and "furniture" flat heads with internal (hex?) drives- much more expensive.
One thing is the holes are all drilled out to 7/32" to hold 3/16" rope. I'm not seeing 3/16" bolts in common places, at least not stainless, so to avoid paying a premium to a speciality fastener place I'm guessing I'd have to redrill everything out to 9/32" for 1/4 bolts. (Or with bolts would I match the hardware at 1/4"?) Looks like those would be around US$.30 each in stainless carriage bolts. US$.08 each in zinc, but if they rust that would be a big labour cost tacked on to replace.
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Jay Angler wrote:I think I understand that with a lattice like you're building, the connector should allow both pieces of wood to slide on the fastener, which a carriage bolt won't do. Since you don't plan on moving this much, that may not be an issue.
No, you absolutely don't want to use "screws" - the type with the pointy ends would be yucky in a yurt!
Isn't 7/32 very close to #10 machine screws (which are actually bolts just to confuse twerps like me)? Can you estimate how long you need them to be? If you have to accept Philips drive, that's life - here in Canada square drives or "Robertson" as we call them, are much easier to come by. I was once told that in the US, those drives were call "crowbar fasteners" because the only way to remove them was with a crowbar! In comparison, my sister gave my 3 year old son a set of Robertson (they come in 4 sizes) stubby screwdrivers for Christmas. My husband was jealous! My sister thought it was a colourful, useful, cheap gift!
Hubby suggested Chicago bolts - nice and smooth on both sides, but probably even pricier.
Hardware is expensive and you're going to need a lot of it. It amazes me sometimes, how much of our budget for a project ends up in the hardware, but our time is worth it also, so in many situations, we do the best we can. Moving up to a larger hole could be a problem if it makes the wood weaker. The material you used stretched, but is there some way to put a spacer under the knot to tighten it back up again? Or what about using bent wire - a large version of a hair pin or cotter pin of sorts instead of rope?
Even at Wheaton Labs, they occasionally compromise with artificial material - like their plastic wheelie bins for the willow feeders - because it really is the most reliable option. Sometimes perfection is the enemy of the best you can do.
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Coydon Wallham wrote: Any idea how galvanized steel compares to stainless/ zinc for bolts?
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I call that icky stuff Nail Polish. It comes in a convenient jar with a little brush. I scored several jars from a friend who decided the colour wasn't "right". (why buy new if you can upcycle?)Mike Haasl wrote:There is "thread locking compound" you can get but it's likely icky
We have some specific nuts called "jam" nuts that are a bit thinner than regular nuts. I wouldn't be keen on nylocs with carriage bolts as they need a lot more torque to screw on, so I only use them when I can access both sides with a tool. This is why we use the "2 nut jam system" on our chicken shelter perches, rather than a nyloc. We use plenty of nylocs elsewhere on the farm - yes plastic, but better than loosing nuts at inconvenient times or where the mower will eat them.Or you can put two nuts on and counter tighten them to jam them against each other.
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We've owned this property for almost 30 years and if there's a way for it to fight back, it does. I married an electrical engineer who taught himself car repair among other things, and #2 Son grew up to be a Mechanical Engineer. Sorry to provide you with "cynical facts", but the short answer is - been there, done that... I'm just trying to save the rest of the (permies) world now.Coydon Wallham wrote:Jay, I really wish you'd stop disrupting my perfect plans with your cynical "facts" and astute observations. You shouldn't encourage Mike like that or he'll start in with the "neener neener" stuff. ( Thanks both for your help BTW.)
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