Cortland Satsuma wrote:Vast accumulation of wealth from our farm is not our personal objective; simply a comfortable living is.
Matu Collins wrote:most/all of us are not most interested in making a lot of surplus money (that really wouldn't fit with permaculture ethics)
Matu Collins wrote:So I guess the answer to the original poster is that most/all of us are not most interested in making a lot of surplus money (that really wouldn't fit with permaculture ethics) but that we theorize that it is possible to make a lot of money using permaculture methods with sufficient capital and time.
Dale Hodgins wrote:Back to property value ---- My property has been a huge money sink so far. I expect that to continue for at least another two years. It's not ready for me to host paid events and is currently not drawing rents. There is a tenant who pays with excavator services. We're building ponds, hugelkultur beds and other earthworks.
I believe that this will pay off in the long run. You could say that I'm a long term planner as compared to most farms that produce annual row crops. The price of corn or peas or whatever has absolutely no influence on any of my decisions. I'm concerned with the long term value of my assets. This sort of thinking leads to plans that don't pollute or rely on quickly exploiting a particular resource.
I've been approached by loggers who would give me a few thousand dollars for the Douglas Fir and other trees on about 3 acres of the property. A short term thinker might be tempted to take that money. I know that such a decision would be a disaster and would not work into my touristy plans at all. I'll slowly prune away at the forest as wood is needed. I will still have more standing wood each year as I selectively cut crowded and inferior specimens.
I'm one of those who desperately wants gobs of money. I believe that having a valuable property that pays, is quite consistent with that goal.[/color]
Xisca Nicolas wrote:Haha, all well said and yes money is a tool, but unfortunately a double tool...
Don´t forget that some use it for speculation and that we pay for a crazy debt.
So yes it is wise to fear money IMO
for the rest, sure, money is a bartering tool useful for exchanges.
And even when sure it is "not bad" (a tool is what the hand makes of it),
we all need to justify that the extra is used for "a good cause"...
Cortland Satsuma wrote: I will never understand those who fear and despise money...it is a tool...you can use it wisely or foolishly. The tool itself is inherently neutral.
Dale Hodgins wrote:
Looking only at my own family over the last decade, there is an absolute correlation between personal accomplishment and money earned and retained.
Dale Hodgins wrote:Those life coach gurus, are big on making sure we book plenty of free time, to spend at their seminars (paid time for them ). I'm not sure that they give enough attention to the idea of paid time.
mick mclaughlin wrote:
Dale, i too make condiderable money off the construction salvage business. Not as much or as large as you, by sny means. Its a good karma type job, but i do it because i csn make a buck at it.
mick mclaughlin wrote:
The answer to the original question is very damn few are making money growing food through permaculture.