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Engine Modification : increase power - lower emissions - save money

What I want to share with you is a way to modify existing gasoline engines to radically decrease pollution, increase power and save on fuel costs!
It involves modifying the air intake with a special groove that throws the air into a toroidal waveform. This waveform amplifies vacuum which increases vaporization of the fuel, resulting in a more complete burn!
These results are scientifically proven and can be seen for yourself on the websight's video page.

Please click on the link below to learn about it and be convinced by all the testimonials of this proven phenomenon.
We can clean up this world one engine at a time!

Click here to learn about this amazing technology!
 
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Jason, I haven't visited that website, but your endorsement sounds all too like the cover of the old J C Whitney automotive catalogs........save 20% on your fuel by using this item, save 15% by using this other item, etc. If you used them all, you wouldn't have to use much gasoline at all it seems. Ha, ha, ha.  My brother was an auto mechanic and saw plenty of engine damage caused by those J C Whitney gadgets. Yes, the owners saved a few bucks on fuel (not as much as claimed), but lost big bucks on engine repairs. When we were young, my hubby bought one such item and a few fuel additives out of that catalog. They never did much, and if I recall right, the engine was short lived afterward.
 
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These sort of gadgets that claim to manipulate the cold air intake in an engine into a vortex have been around for decades, coming and going off the market. Air going through a filter, then down a tube, past a butterfly valve in a throttle body, then down an intake manifold, and finally past the intake valve is already whipped into some fierce turbulence. Automotive engineers even design this on purpose for better fuel:air mixing. I think these fuel saving gadgets are just another item for consumers to spend money on, and I don't think the item paying for itself in real world savings at the pump is ever realized. In my opinion, it's just modern snake oil. I looked, and there's even a little general info on these and other such things on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_saving_device
 
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I understand the knee-jerk reaction to dismiss this as yet another insignificant attempt at engine enhancement at the possible expense to engine health.
Believe me, this one really is unique & makes a real improvement, especially on small engines that don't have computers changing the fuel ratio.

You owe it to yourselves to look into this with an open unbiased mind. This is different than what you think.
I've been running my car as well as other small engines for over 4 years with no ill affects. The engine runs smoother, brakes work better(due to boost in vacuum).

No need to jump right in and buy anything but, at least learn about it. It's worth at least that.
I'm not into posting things I haven't verified myself, I'm hugely skeptical and only endorse that which has been proven by me.


 
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Jason Vath wrote:

No need to jump right in and buy anything but, at least learn about it. It's worth at least that.




Can you provide a link that allows us to.learn about it? I'm not seeing it. Gas burned in the exhaust(cat converter) is a waste, and minimizing it will add both hp and mpg.  The main cause seems to be missfires of the ignition system, not airflow. I would be interested to look at anything you can link to.
 
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If this actually worked, then the automakers would already build it in.  They have a big incentive to make engines that burn less fuel so they can meet federally mandated fuel economy.  They spend millions of dollars every year researching ways to do this.  Getting better fuel economy is why they are building so many hybrids now, hybrids cost a LOT more to build than non-hybrid vehicles.

Unless you are one of those people that think there is some big conspiracy by the automakers to avoid building cheaper, more profitable, vehicles.  Because, you know, everybody knows how much the automakers hate making bigger profits.
 
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I looked into the whole HHO deal a decade back. The idea was that the injected hydrogen and oxygen would produce a more complete combustion within the engine.

I think Peter's assessment is about right. Automotive and petroleum interests are rabid to ensure they can remain relevant into the next decade. If this or any other technique offered any edge at all, even petroleum companies would take a 20% hit if they thought it would keep them around 20% longer.

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Jason, I can resonate with others who've posted with an essentially "sounds too good to be true, and the thing is probably bogus" (I've read their posts and their criticisms and reservations do make sense).  However, I'll keep an open mind, if you can tell us more.  A little advice...

Besides offering a link to a site that may include testimonials and other info, and besides giving a concise synopsis of the theory behind the gadget or modification, what would be more convincing to me would be to detail your own experience: On how many and what kind (specifically) of equipment have you used this?  How did you actually notice what you felt were positive results?  How did you then test the apparent results to confirm that they were actual? (not random, etc)  If you did get confirmed positive results, was this the case with each vehicle or piece of equipment you tried this with?  And, of course, let us know honestly if you do or do not have a personal business connection with the device or its distribution/sales.  We need to hear all this sort of stuff.

Realize that even when you do what I'm suggesting, people may certainly wish to probe further by asking questions.

But it would be worth the effort, because if you're onto something real and can support it, people will connect with what you're posting — and in the end you'll feel good, rather than frustrated in your attempt to communicate/share.
 
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Whats this vacuum cap that needs to be installed? Can you post some fotos of your modified throttle body and vacuum cap please?
 
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I am not an engine guy, so I cannot evaluate your claims; I am however, a business-type guy, and can evaluate your sales pitch.

I think the harsh reaction you're experiencing is because your initial post just SOUNDS like your product is  not real, it sounds like an "As Seen on TV" commercial, the website is so old and outdated in design that no one believes you are making money on this product(or you would have improved the website), and so they believe you are lying or that the product does not work.

If your product is real, and you have genuine lab/testing results to corroborate, here's how you make money:

Patent your design, and license it to auto manufacturers or after-market parts manufacturers; if your product really works as designed, they will be champing at the bit to use and sell your product.

Going directly to the consumer should not be your primary market - too many people don't know how cars work!!
 
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Sorry for the late reply, been busy with composting, planting, cutting logs, harvesting berries etc. lately.

I should've added more info before. The following will explain it all pretty well and you will know exactly why the automobile companies will NOT jump on this.
It shall all make sense - Wacth this video!

How Does The Gadgetman Groove Work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHV-ANmN0ns?atid=37

Gadgetman Groove at the Bedini-Lindemann 2012 Science & Technology Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JTZKdXmiPQ?atid=37

 
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Sorry Jason but the is no way that can affect the combustion pattern of a MODERN fuel injected engine. High pressure gasoline is misted into a turbulent air pattern already. Maybe, Big maybe the gadget could have an effect on a small engine with a carburetor but more and more of those are going down the fuel injected electronic ignition road as well. If you don't believe that look at a small engine from the 1980's and compare it to one today. Fuel consumption is a third less easy. An inverter generator is so fuel efficient it approaches the theoretical limit of the energy content of the fuel. I don't have time to go through an hour of video but the focus seems to be on old clunkers. Fuel efficiency today is big bucks to car makers despite all the conspiracy talk. The big problem is not energy efficiency its over powering. The car companies have taken all the efficiency gains they have made over the last 40 years and plugged it into heavier, faster vehicles that they charge more for... That is where the efficiency savings went.
Cheers,  David
 
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The main obstacle to obtaining excellent results is due to the ECU (computer). It is programmed to dump excessive gas in order to satisfy the sensors of the catalytic converter by design.
The excessive fuel is then burnt in the catalytic converter, essentially wasted because it's after your engine. this is similar to a traditional wood stove that wastes a lot of energy out the chimney.
This reason is generally safe as a modified engine could possibly run so lean that the engine becomes damaged. But there is a sweet spot that is safe, more economic and provides more power.
The groove creates more of a condition like a rocket mass heater. The fuel is allowed to burn more effectively where you actually need it!

Even though the fuel injectors create a mist of fuel this can be improved upon with higher vacuum created with the groove.  Mist isn't as efficient as Vapor. The groove helps to VAPORIZE the mist. Liquid doesn't burn very effectively but, vapor does.
Make better sense?

here's more evidence:

Aaron Murakami Reviews The Groove on his Subaru
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueOoanVOMQQ

Photos of the Groove Process: See attachments

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I can agree with a lot.

The mfgr is fighting 2 different arenas.  Mpg and emmissions. The cat converter needs a rich mix to work. So simply saying if it worked, the mfgr would be using it is not exactly true. This is no way an endorsement. Its the battle between the two that the mfgr are fighting, not just mpg.

Its also true that a leaner fuel mixture produces more hp and better mpg. Its also true that too lean and engine damage occurs.

If it allowed a more complete burn, wouldnt the computer just add more gas to keep it rich? The more the tech succeeds, the more the computer fights to correct it. It seems that a tuner is in order to make it work. If a tuner is used, it nullifies the need since its doing the same thing. Making a leaner fuel mixture. So now your gain would not be the difference between stock and the gadget(tech), but the difference between a tuner and the gadget(tech)

 
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Groovy.

Also, I agree with the assessment that the computer will adjust the mix so that it is as rich as the catalytic converter needs. It is unlikely that there will be any gains whatsoever in this scenario.

-CK
 
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I love the bit in the video where he explains that little "balls" of dense air are pulsed out and they roll along with the airflow. Great imagery but if there was a little ball of dense air in an airflow why would it roll along? what sticks all the densely packed air molecules together to stop them obeying the laws of physics and remove themselves from the "ball". I did read that a new 5th fundamental force of physics was announced today but I think it only applies to subatomic particles. How do the molecules stick together and change direction (rolling) rather than tend to carry on in a straight line unless acted on by a force, as every other molecule in the universe has to?

Regards engines not being optimised for power out of the factory, yes very true as tuners know, you can normally get a lot more power by making mods but usually at the expense of everything getting hotter and being subject to higher risk of failure due to the heat. Cat converters are a problem for the first 30 seconds from a cold start so the engine management may adjust fuel mix to warm the cat up but the main interventions on cold starts are secondary air pump pushing air thru the cat, and EGR putting unburnt fuel back into the intake - but these are achieved mechanically.

The promotor mentioned this mod is suited to older cars without a computer so im assuming he thinks he can mix fuel and air with turbulence better than the carburretor jets can.

But still, my main "issue" with the promotion of this device is the claim that half your fuel burns in the exhaust. lol
 
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The inventor admits he doesn't know exactly what's going on but the theory is that on the intake strike of the engine the air passes over the groove and is forced into a vortex.
Not a vortex that has it's axis in line with the throttlebody bore diameter but instead think of a rolling smoke ring, a toroidal wave. It's said that the smoke rolling out of the heat riser down the bell of a rocket mass heater has this same "waveform".

Now when it's mentioned that the air gets packed into a tiny ball, he simply means that the groove creates a spin(vortex) - nothing new in scientific discoveries of how many natural phenomenon behave.
This pulse is forced to travel due to the vacuum created as the piston is pulling air in on it's intake stroke. An object in a particular motion(the induced vortex) will tend to stay in that formation until acted upon.
There are pulses because this waveform is acting dynamically with the intake strokes on all the pistons. When there isn't an intake stroke then, there's a change in vacuum hence the vortex ball expands apart.
It's very logical if you're willing to think it all through. It's a lot to grasp at first. I can't help to see this concept as an appropriate technology enhancement.

Now of course this doesn't always produce wonderful results without tweaking other things due to modern engine designs. The vacuum system has to be in excellent shape as this mod will amplify vacuum creating leaks in cracked lines for example.
The ECU needs to be reset and needs to slowly re-learn. It's possible that you might not get any fuel gains but, the engine always runs smoother, noticeable power, breaks work better, less or no smelly exhaust !

On engines without computer sensory, this mod produces easy 'right off the bat' results.
Generators, lawn mowers, some chainsaws, tractors etc. work great, no exhaust smell, smoother engine, longer gas run, more torque & horsepower.

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Peter VanDerWal wrote:If this actually worked, then the automakers would already build it in.  They have a big incentive to make engines that burn less fuel so they can meet federally mandated fuel economy.  They spend millions of dollars every year researching ways to do this.  Getting better fuel economy is why they are building so many hybrids now, hybrids cost a LOT more to build than non-hybrid vehicles.

Unless you are one of those people that think there is some big conspiracy by the automakers to avoid building cheaper, more profitable, vehicles.  Because, you know, everybody knows how much the automakers hate making bigger profits.



There's plenty of evidence to come to that very conclusion. I'd like someone to convince me that's not the case. I could be wrong but, I'm pretty sure the auto manufacturers have financial relations with the petroleum industry to sell more gas.
If that's the case then one could see how the auto industry is not really interested in making the most efficient engine. It would bad business for them and their over lords.
In a sane world where authorities were actually held responsible for doing the right thing instead of capitalizing off of consumers at the cost of polluting the planet, Then, I'd agree with you're comment.

This would be like saying "If the food in the grocery store contained chemicals that cause diseases then, the FDA wouldn't allow for them to be manufactured and sold"... "Because it's in the best interest to protect consumers from getting sick & health care would too much of a burden on the economy...ect.".
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"If Rocket Mass Heaters / Stoves were more efficient than conventional wood stoves then, the EPA and heating industry would acknowledge this and ban the inefficient polluting traditional systems and herald the better design "

I can think of many more conspiratorial examples that prove the fact that what we are allowed to have is not the best possible.
planned obsolescence.
Insurance
cheap tools
led & cfl lights
plastic taking over the oceans

Ok, enough being angry at bad guys, we need more bricks laid.

 
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Jason, your two given examples are both permacultural thinking mostly absent in the business world, where the point seems to be to narrow the focus of an enterprise until such time as you can make someone else pay for the wasteful parts of your system.

The profit motive complicates that rationale.

All companies need to care about, in an amoral context, is legal liability and the bottom line. So within those parameters, and absent outside influences like legislative pressures and the interests of entrenched big business, you can rationally expect them to make decisions that will make them money.

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Its not 100% about fuel economy.  Emmissions has an effect also. Heck, lets throw in a warranty. 3 things that effect the final product. A gain in one can effect output of another.

A rich fuel mixture, ran through a catalytic converter, gives the best of all 3.

Lean the fuel mixture and you will get more power and better gas mileage, but more chance of detonation (warranty) and higher emmissions. Adding more air is in essence the same as leaning the fuel.

I have no doubts a gain can be achieved. By leaning out the mixture. I would be hesitant to make outlandish claims though. Going back to the days of carburetors the gains were greater from tweeking. The carburetor brought in the same volume of air per gas regardless if you were at sea level with a higher density of oxygen vs a mile high in Denver with less density of oxygen. Todays cars measure it and adjust for it, but keep it rich.

Now we see direct injection which is a leap ahead of older technology. Before that the fuel mixed with the air and travelled through paths into the cylinder. Cylinder 6 could get a leaner mix than cylinder 4. With direct injection, the measurements are precise in each cylinder allowing a safer "lean" mixture. This aids in the warranty portion of increasing mpg. But it costs more.

Being over 50 in age and seeing the evolution of engines i am amazed. Going 100,000 miles with nothing but oil changes compared to 1970's  vehicles.  Im not sure people realize how good they have become.
 
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Haha. Old thread. I basically posted the same thing twice.
 
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This engine mod is to engines as rocket mass heaters are to wood stoves. They both make much better use of the fuel while leaving little to no pollution.

For those that would like a technical video showing flow dynamics & turbulence - (the groove sounds to me like a 'trip wire' in rocket mass heater)
check this out. This modification is being taken very seriously by those in the know when it comes to engine mods. Mike (MPG) Holler.

Flow bench testing May 28 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LryKAhhjvIs

For those that want proof that emissions are reduced check this out.
Before and after emissions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPMTEz82Kmk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EatzkGLe1oo

Convinced yet?
 
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What happens to an RMH if it is built only to handle stresses of a woodstove?

-CK
 
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It's been noted that the plenum and, I believe also the exhaust manifold is cooler due to the groove modification, because of higher vacuum.
It seems there is nothing but good from this mod.
 
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wayne fajkus wrote:Its not 100% about fuel economy.  Emmissions has an effect also. Heck, lets throw in a warranty...




Everything you said is so true. I used to have this issue on chainsaws, but it was because they would get clogged up with sawdust in their air cleaner, or I would go from summer to winter, etc. I was forever adjusting the carburetor.

Last year I bought a 62 cc chainsaw with semi-direct injection that automatically calculates for these issues. When you start it up, you can hear it change rpms as it adjusts itself to the conditions.

That saw is only a year old but already obsolete. Stihl just came out with a new 100% fuel injected chainsaw. The thing is 80 cc, yet only weighs 13 pounds. Holy crap, that is the same as my 72 cc carbureted-only saw. Great...now I have to buy a new saw! :-)


 
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wayne fajkus wrote:

If it allowed a more complete burn, wouldnt the computer just add more gas to keep it rich? The more the tech succeeds, the more the computer fights to correct it. It seems that a tuner is in order to make it work. If a tuner is used, it nullifies the need since its doing the same thing. Making a leaner fuel mixture. So now your gain would not be the difference between stock and the gadget(tech), but the difference between a tuner and the gadget(tech)



Yes, unfortunately this is the case with many vehicles but, you still come out ahead a bit in spite of that. The computer is definitely preventing the full potential.
Honda vehicles are typically known to not show economy gains except, when you use an additional $50 device called a MAPster. This sends a less erratic signal to the computer which the Map sensor sees.
Since the groove creates a more extreme wave form than usual, some computers will not tolerate it. With the MAPster you get to keep your waveform, lie to the computer and get away with it.
It works, I have one. The only gripe I have is, my ECU will only tolerate a (-16) Long Term Fuel Trim, as soon as it goes to (-17) I get a lean fuel error code P0173. So I'm rather limited in my mpg gains.
I'm not interested in investing in an expensive EFIE device.

Regardless of whether you get mpg gains or not, you always get all the other benefits:
-less pollution
-more responsive & smooth engine
-cooler plenum temp.
-better braking power
-longer oil life
 
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Travis, you can groove chainsaws. Any gas engine pretty much
there are some rare cases you can't. Those would be systems that have complex air holes in which the groove may break into.

Gadgetman Fingerlakes modifies a Chainsaw!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWoqHajtbZc
 
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