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2019 ATC (Appropriate Technology Course) in Montana

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It's that time again! Time to gear up for the Appropriate Technology Course near Missoula, Montana. It follows right after the PDC for Scientists, Engineers, and Educators.

The Appropriate Technology Course is about getting hands on experience building solutions with safer and more sustainable materials. This course will also experiment with new ideas in appropriate technology.

This year's ATC will take place  Monday July 1st Through  Saturday July 12th, 2019.

Get experience building amazing structures.Learn about off-grid water systems.Get hands on experience with practical welding and woodworking skills.


ATC Instructor: Chris McClellan

Uncle Mud (aka Chris McClellan) raises free-range, organic children in the wilds of northeast Ohio. Between building things out of mud and junk he writes for Mother Earth News Magazine and teaches simple DIY skills at workshops and fairs.

ATC Instructor: James Juczak  

James is an author and lecturer on topics such as self-reliance, true sustainability, building off-grid energy systems and mortgage-free housing. He has had numerous articles published, been a contributing author to several books and is presently working on a much expanded second edition of his book "The High Art and Subtle Science of Scrounging". He has been dubbed "The King of Scrounge". Jim spent much if his career as a high school and middle school shop teacher. He has also worked as a Community Energy Educator in 10 northern New York counties. He also brought skills to Kandahar, Afghanistan where he worked as a civilian contractor with the US Army's 10th Mountain Brigade teaching appropriate technologies to the US and Afghan armies as well as the local civilian population. Jim lives with his wife, Krista, in their round, cordwood and papercrete home on the property where they have established an off-grid intentional community. He is an EMT and an adjunct professor at SUNY Jefferson where he teachs the NABCEP Solar Installers course.

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Sweet! Trying to coordinate between time off at work and getting a dog sitter for 2 weeks, and if those line up I'll be sending in the cash and looking at plane tickets! Several items on the planned list are exactly what I'm wanting to learn for my own property, so I'm hoping to make it to these each year now and learn by doing!

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just for giggles ....  for the stuff the students vote on, which stuff will you be voting on?

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In no particular order:

Rain catchment (planning a wofati/Oehler setup, but will likely have a "shop/garage" or possibly smaller structures like wood shed and storage sheds, that feed into cisterns)

Gray water system (I'm looking at this for year-round use in USDA zone 6, combined with composting toilet, instead of a septic tank)

Earth bermed shelter (is this like a livestock shelter, more like the berm shed, or livable structure? I think all 3 would be good experiences)

Deep well hand pump (I'm all for helping build this, assuming it's for the lab? How deep is deep? My own site has water at 60-80 feet all around so I expect a 125 foot well and having a hand pump backup would be smart)

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Hi. Just wondering how much of the time is spent on "this year's projects" as opposed to student choice projects/experiences? I'm only asking because I'm not very interested in the 3 glass-related projects; I'm just barely at the beginning of learning AT skills and right now it's much more valuable for me to learn the skills on the student choice list rather than what seems to be designated as the year's main events. Would I have the ability to not work on the glass ones in favor of more time on other projects?

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Christina,
Mud here. The top priority of the projects is to send folks home with skills and confidence to attack their own projects. There are some projects that we will strongly encourage folks to get into because they involve what we consider to be essential skillsets, like basic metalworking and cutting down a tree. We will expect everyone to participate in the safety trainings because we don't want anyone hurt including us. But the projects that will take most of our attention will be the ones that participants agree as a group are most relevant to them, and there will be time to focus on something that excites a few of us as a breakout group, and some projects we may just not get to depending on the size and inclinations and existing skillsets of the attendees. The lack of glass recycling in many areas is something that has been bothering Paul for a while so he keeps hoping someone will get excited about it and use the lab to come up with amazing solutions, and maybe we will, but first skills first.

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This year's ATC will take place  Sunday July 1st Through  Saturday July 12th, 2019.  


Did you mean Monday July 1st through Friday July 12th?

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Kyle Bob wrote:

This year's ATC will take place  Sunday July 1st Through  Saturday July 12th, 2019.  


Did you mean Monday July 1st through Friday July 12th?

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Some pictures from last year. What do y'all want to do this summer?
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Updating a Rocket Oven
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Jeremy and his new CottageRocket
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Putting solar ovens to the test
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Mary learning to use the plasma cutter
Mary learning to use the plasma cutter
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The crew learning to use the sawmill
The crew learning to use the sawmill
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Mary gives some pointers on driving the excavator
Mary gives some pointers on driving the excavator
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Designing and building a greywater disposal system
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Learning to use a tile saw to build a CottageRocket heater
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The crew learns to use a rocket water heater so we can shower

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I was wondering if it would be a possibility to do a work trade for the ATC? I would love to attend, but just don't have the cash this year. Skills that I could trade are drafting, any kind of design you would do with the Adobe suite, or gardening. Also, a skill in my arsenal is design of campgrounds and RV parks. If you might be interested in this, I can send you samples of my work. This sounds like such a cool class, I figured it couldn't hurt to ask about work trade.Thanks!

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I just talked to fred.   It's a possibility.  

The exchange would be seven weeks in the permaculture bootcamp in exchange for a ticket.   And you would need to pay $100 to enter the bootcamp.  To do this, you would need to arrive here on may 12th or earlier.



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What kind of earth works are in the purview of the ATC?  Are swales and hugelkulturs more of a PDC thing?  What about ponds?

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The PDC might do some pond and hugelkultur modeling.   During the PEP1 event, each person will definitely build their own 7 foot tall hugelkultur with the excavator.   And they will build a very small pond.  

The ATC is going to be about wiring, welding, building with a dash of innovation.   Definitely all hands on.

The PDC is mostly classroom time with a lot of drawing, drawing and drawing.  There are going to be a few hands on activities - maybe 10% of the time.  

The PEP1 event is all hands on.  Zero classroom time.  Each student will have to create their own thing.   By the end of the two weeks, they will have completed about 60 BBs.



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Oh well, I'll have to come next year. My job doesn't end until June 5th. Thank you for looking into work trade though.

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I'm interested in all things rockety; heaters, ovens, etc. I'd really like to make one, learn to weld, talk about shippable cores.  Water systems would be my next biggest interest; catchment, ponds/dams, greywater.  Natural building including heating and cooling would be after that.  A talk about dealing with government bureaucracy, zoning, codes, permits and the like would be nice.

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Kyle,
We have a "Cottage Rocket" design that has the benefit of being able to build it somewhere convenient (like an ATC) and taking it home. We are also planning on building a "skiddable" natural cottage for Wheaton labs. Zoning and code issues is usually a "story time" conversation/lecture at my workshops because while it isn't "hands on" like most of the workshop it is still important to know what you are dealing with. We think "shop skills" are an important part of the ATC so we are looking for projects that 1) give opportunity for instruction and practice with tools you might not normally get to work with and 2) create an artifact that long after we leave is something Paul can use to demonstrate permaculture principles. It would be a little easy to leave Paul with dozens of half useful rocket heater cores in the process of teaching welding and rocket heater principles so instead we are trying hard to come up with good useful unique projects.
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We added a tour date just prior to the ATC:

June 30, Sunday

Tours start promptly at 9:30 a.m. and meet behind the shop/auditorium (in Arrakis) to get started. If you are late, you could miss the group. Pack your own lunch for a lunch break (we won't have meals going for the ATC yet), and the tour resumes after lunch. Be prepared for uneven and steep ground at times, and being outdoors in Montana weather. We used to do the tour in about three to four hours (cue the Gilligan's Island theme song!), though now it takes about 6 hours, and can even be 8 hours long if there are a lot of questions.

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Just a heads up that Coco and I are scrambling a bit to both help run the first ever, learning-as-we-go PEP1 gathering / certification workshop, plus wrangling all the other details and things that we do. Which is to say that this week especially, we just don't have time for individual responses (phone calls, e-mails, or purple mooseages) and there will be some delays.

Please ask questions in this thread (or the relevant thread) if at all possible. This means we can help multiple folks at once, or others can chime in with answers if Coco or I are in the middle of something.

In the next day or two, we'll be adding you to a private forum to start meeting each other and/or discussing all the ATC things prior to the course should you wish.

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I posted this in the PDC/ATC thread but thought I'd post this here too:

I'm going to the ATC!!!  So I wanted to know if someone else who's going might be interested in sharing a room and car rental to cut costs and environmental impact.  I'm an older woman, quiet, and neat.  Would want another woman for a roommate.  I checked the closest accommodations and there's nothing available during those weeks.  So there's a place that's listed as "cheap and clean" in the instructional email that's about 8 miles away.  I checked this morning and there's still availability.  Don't want to go in to too many details here.  But if you're interested, please reach out to me and we'll see if we can work something out.

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Yeah! We are looking forward to seeing you all
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Hi Dianne I am flying into Missoula the Sunday before the ATC, if you will be in town I could pay for some gas money to base camp, rather than someone having to pick me up. I plan to camp on site but haven’t worked out getting there from the airport yet.

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Hi Mark,

My flight is scheduled to arrive at Missoula from Denver at 11:39 a.m.  I start out on the East Coast so I'll be travelling starting at 3:00 a.m. on Sunday.  If your flight gets in around the same time, or if you arrive earlier and are willing to wait, I'd be happy to share the ride.  Can't promise I'll have the energy to wait if your flight is later. :(
 
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Unfortunately my flight comes in several hours later, I believe it's around 4:30pm or so. I understand on the waiting, no worries there. As we get a bit closer I'll see if we can coordinate a pickup, perhaps a boot or ant will be up for earning some coin!

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****WE STILL HAVE 2019 ATC TICKETS!!!*******

Go to the registration page to buy your ticket now!

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Jocelyn Campbell wrote:We added a tour date just prior to the ATC:

June 30, Sunday

Tours start promptly at 9:30 a.m. and meet behind the shop/auditorium (in Arrakis) to get started. If you are late, you could miss the group. Pack your own lunch for a lunch break (we won't have meals going for the ATC yet), and the tour resumes after lunch. Be prepared for uneven and steep ground at times, and being outdoors in Montana weather. We used to do the tour in about three to four hours (cue the Gilligan's Island theme song!), though now it takes about 6 hours, and can even be 8 hours long if there are a lot of questions.


Let's have a pot luck after the tour - 6 p.m. in the auditorium! Dining at Paul's table won't be happening until Monday morning, so let's share a meal together, whether or not you were able to go on the tour.

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Is there anyone else flying into Missoula on Sunday, June 30 in the afternoon who wants to carpool? Or someone willing to pick me up? It will probably be 5pm by the time I get my bags and walk out of the airport. I've never used Uber or Lyft or hitchhiked before, not sure if they would be willing to drive me over and I'd rather pay someone on-site for their time/gas if possible. Perhaps someone will be in the area already to pick up groceries/supplies? Renting a car for two weeks would be really expensive too.

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Mark Brunnr wrote:Is there anyone else flying into Missoula on Sunday, June 30 in the afternoon who wants to carpool? Or someone willing to pick me up? It will probably be 5pm by the time I get my bags and walk out of the airport. I've never used Uber or Lyft or hitchhiked before, not sure if they would be willing to drive me over and I'd rather pay someone on-site for their time/gas if possible. Perhaps someone will be in the area already to pick up groceries/supplies? Renting a car for two weeks would be really expensive too.



Oh hi Mark,
My flight is landing at 2:25 that day and my dad (who is also attending the course) is picking me up.  I think we could give you a ride if nobody is going to be arriving closer to your arrival time.

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Mark Brunnr wrote:Is there anyone else flying into Missoula on Sunday, June 30 in the afternoon who wants to carpool? Or someone willing to pick me up? It will probably be 5pm by the time I get my bags and walk out of the airport. I've never used Uber or Lyft or hitchhiked before, not sure if they would be willing to drive me over and I'd rather pay someone on-site for their time/gas if possible. Perhaps someone will be in the area already to pick up groceries/supplies? Renting a car for two weeks would be really expensive too.



Hi Mark,

We at wheaton labs my have someone in the missoula, that could pick you up and could take you to the groceries store.

For Those That Fly to the Event
If you need a ride from Missoula, we can arrange for somebody to pick you up.

Between 8 am and 9 pm: $15 per ride
Outside of those hours: $35 per ride
Please be ready to pay driver in cash

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Excellent thanks! I just need a ride from the airport to base camp, without a stop at the store needed. I'll line up contact info closer to the event.

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Mark Brunnr wrote:Excellent thanks! I just need a ride from the airport to base camp, without a stop at the store needed. I'll line up contact info closer to the event.



Hi Mark,

I was emailing kyle. Kyle and his dad are willing to get you up to wheaton labs. Big thanks to Kyle and his dad!

Can not to have you all up here soon!!!

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Hi all, I'm looking forward to joining you all for the ATC.
I will be driving from Colorado, 1100 miles over two days. I'll be arriving sometime on June 29th so that I'll be there for the June 30th tour prior to the ATC.
I plan on sleeping in my Silverado which has a topper on it, no trailer, no camper shell, so it's just the truck. I was wondering if there is a parking space for me at the base camp. It would be nice in that you say that you have wifi, and easy access to toilet, shower, and places to charge electronics.

My honey-do list prior to the first snow this coming winter has two, maybe three rockets stoves( big fan of Peter Van Den Berg), water catchment, and a walipini (underground greenhouse) on it. So those items have my vote for things to explore in the ATC if possible.

This will be fun, checking out your project is definitely on the bucket list, much love and blessings, Tony
 
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Tony Scheck wrote:I plan on sleeping in my Silverado which has a topper on it, no trailer, no camper shell, so it's just the truck. I was wondering if there is a parking space for me at the base camp. It would be nice in that you say that you have wifi, and easy access to toilet, shower, and places to charge electronics.


Welcome, Tony! We look forward to meeting you!

Yes, we have plenty of parking at base camp.

The directions we send to attendees ask folks to park behind the shop/auditorium. From there, it's convenient to get to the shop/auditorium (where most of the action takes place!), and it's also close to the willow bank and the showers.

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Tony Scheck wrote:I plan on sleeping in my Silverado which has a topper on it, no trailer, no camper shell, so it's just the truck. I was wondering if there is a parking space for me at the base camp. It would be nice in that you say that you have wifi, and easy access to toilet, shower, and places to charge electronics.



I am at the PDC now, and someone else in the class is doing similar. Though you will be missing out on the fun of hiking up and down the hill.

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Thanks for the kind welcome and useful info. See you soon.
 
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Hey ATC folks, I posted a little video tour of the Base Camp on the 2019 PDC Participant Picture thread, https://permies.com/t/115889/permaculture-projects/PDC-participant-pictures#946013 if your interested check it out.

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Thanks for the post Devin. It gives me a good sense of what the place looks like, definitely looking forward to it.
 
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