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Fredy Perlman wrote:Looks exciting! But I didn't subscribe to the kickstarter in time. I thought I had more time. Am I too late to get the $120 DOWNLOAD package, somehow someway?

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Thanks Burra and Paul. I've been sweating bullets since I posted. I've paid lots of late fees etc because I wait too long to part with $$$.

In that spirit it's only fair the kickstarter folks pay less. But Paul, is the $150 you linked the same as the kickstarter's 120? That is, it includes CANDY and THANKS?

EDIT: By which I mean, I hope so. I signed up tho!

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Fredy Perlman wrote:Thanks Burra and Paul. I've been sweating bullets since I posted. I've paid lots of late fees etc because I wait too long to part with $$$.

In that spirit it's only fair the kickstarter folks pay less. But Paul, is the $150 you linked the same as the kickstarter's 120? That is, it includes CANDY and THANKS?

EDIT: By which I mean, I hope so. I signed up tho!

The "candy" and the "thanks" are just for kickstarter supporters.

I made a choice a few kickstarters ago, that if somebody supports my kickstarter, I wish to give them the very best.

Perhaps we will hear from you sooner on my next kickstarter?

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paul wheaton wrote:The "candy" and the "thanks" are just for kickstarter supporters.

I made a choice a few kickstarters ago, that if somebody supports my kickstarter, I wish to give them the very best.

Perhaps we will hear from you sooner on my next kickstarter?

Sound logic.

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Nick Fouch's daily video review, Day 11: Appropriate Technology.

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Day in Photos: Botany in a Day author Tom Elpel takes us on a tour of plant anatomy, Zach Weiss drops by for a visit.

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I want to thank Stewart Hung for the amazing work he did in and out of the kitchen.

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You're welcome, Davin! It was a pleasure to create these meals for all the wonderful folk at the PDC.

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Tim Barker showed us a quick and easy sawdust cooker.

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4:45PM Tim Barker has helpers fill and tamp sawdust.

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4:48PM Tim Barker lights sawdust cooker.

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10:45PM I pass sawdust cooker in the night.

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So, what's the deal with the sawdust cooker? It burns itself? Is it a way to utilize sawdust as a fuel for cooking?

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Julia Winter wrote:So, what's the deal with the sawdust cooker? It burns itself? Is it a way to utilize sawdust as a fuel for cooking?

Yes. Place a wrack above that bucket in the scenario shown here. The bucket has a hole in the bottom and a column of air the same diameter as said hole. The saw dust was tamped down to keep it's form, and a little sand was added to the top so the flames wouldn't spread on the surface. The bucket was sitting on bricks to allow air movement below and up, and lit from the bottom too.

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Now Katelin is filling our bellies...

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That looks delicious! I love the flower on the middle plate.

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Yum! We are still eating great!!

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Katelin makes beautiful pies.

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Fred got a skid for the new Solar Dehydrator being built/finished up. The ATC group loaded and unloaded the Solar Dehydrator into place on the trailer, then, skid.

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ATC group readied Solar Dehydrator for uploading onto skid.

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A lot of work was done on the Solar Dehydrator project today.

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Trays inside the Solar Dehydrator's cabinet.

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Solar Dehydrator's cabinet with open door. (incomplete)

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I didn't watch the clouds, but I stopped to take these pictures:)

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Many interesting weathers at Wheaton Base Camp.

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Yesterday, Erica did a presentation on Rocket Mass Heaters. To start out, we modeled a brick assembly in small groups at our tables.

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OMG the little wooden bricks are awesome!

The solar dehydrator is very impressive. I hope the person with the apricot tree (was it an apricot tree?) allows ants (or boots) to come harvest again this year.

Thank you for posting pictures of what y'all are making in the ATC.

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This is the well that Jim dug, and the progress the ATC and Fred (and company) made on the BioSand Water Filter.

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I would like to thank Katelin Ginther on an amazing job in and out of the kitchen during this 2017 ATC at Wheaton Labs!! Job Well Done.

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Chocolate Moose Pie Finale!

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The three brothers have been waiting for the chance to beat Tim up the hill their entire stay at Wheaton Labs...

The race ended at a bench swing, at the top of the hill, where the sun was still setting. Tim came in second:)

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Erica gives an overview of the Box Cooker.

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Erica gives an overview of the Batch Box modifications.

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Erica gives an overview of the Chest Refrigerator.

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Erica gives an overview of the Rocket Oven.

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Erica gives an overview of the Water Heater.

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Erica gives an overview of the Solar Dehydrator.

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Erica gives an overview of the Shower Water Heater.

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Wow. Thanks Davin and thanks Erica!

So many cool devices for people to use at Wheaton Labs. It looks like the ATC was a success.

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Thanks Davin.

There was a post on forums pondering on what a gold plated PDC would look like, but seeing all the fancy store bought wood, tin and hardware...and food... I know what a gold plated ATC looks like....lol

I have a couple of questions, if someone has the answers.
1. How deep was the well on Dance with Pigs? We drilled 40 ft up there last year at the ghetto ATC and did not get water. I thought those pitcher pumps are only good for 20 or so feet.
2. I am assuming you left the plastic sheets long on the dehydrator for weather protection, right? Or are they going to be trimmed up to reduce the hazard of someone walking into them in the dark? Why did you not double pane them?
3. What is the max internal temp you have seen in the dehydrator? Get to 140 F to allow doing jerky?
4. I am assuming that is stainless steel mesh in the dehydrator, did they finish trays from the ghetto ATC dehydrator from last year? Where did they buy the screen from, as all I have seen online is real expensive?
5. Just curious what is the bottom line dollar amount to build that dehydrator? We may have had 3 dollars in the ghetto one from last year (not counting screens) as we scrounged everything from the scrap piles around there, except the foam insulation between the two layers of glass, and a glass cutter which we bought.

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Julia Winter wrote:Wow. Thanks Davin and thanks Erica!

Thanks Erica Wisner! Your love and dedication is amazing.

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Rob Griffin wrote:1. How deep was the well on Dance with Pigs? We drilled 40 ft up there last year at the ghetto ATC and did not get water. I thought those pitcher pumps are only good for 20 or so feet.

Jim thinks y'all drilled only 15 feet. Jim thinks this subject well is 29 feet deep. It was hand dug by Jim and company prior to the ATC. He modified the pump to do more... and has yet to document such modifications on his personal website. www.woodstead.org

Rob Griffin wrote:2. I am assuming you left the plastic sheets long on the dehydrator for weather protection, right? Or are they going to be trimmed up to reduce the hazard of someone walking into them in the dark? Why did you not double pane them?

The dehydrator's width was built prior to the purchase of glass. This is glass, not plastic. Double pane would reduce the heat gain on the surface of the 'solar collector' (black interior portion)? We do not plan on cutting the glass. It was believed to be too difficult.

Rob Griffin wrote:3. What is the max internal temp you have seen in the dehydrator? Get to 140 F to allow doing jerky?

I have yet to take a temperature. The documents I studied before our ATC class emphasized 'air flow'. When I finish typing this, I will cut some apples and lay them out inside the cabinet as the first test. There are clouds promised, so I don't know what we're about to experience here. These tests have yet to be thorough because the ATC just finished and clean up is still taking place.

Rob Griffin wrote:4. I am assuming that is stainless steel mesh in the dehydrator, did they finish trays from the ghetto ATC dehydrator from last year? Where did they buy the screen from, as all I have seen online is real expensive?

The role of screen was expensive. I am working on providing a link to the item on the internet. The single tray dehydrator model that Tim uses in Australia (and I believe you help construct last ATC), has been finished and works well.

Rob Griffin wrote:5. Just curious what is the bottom line dollar amount to build that dehydrator? We may have had 3 dollars in the ghetto one from last year (not counting screens) as we scrounged everything from the scrap piles around there, except the foam insulation between the two layers of glass, and a glass cutter which we bought.

I am not sure, but I am not done documenting this project.

Sorry I can't answer all your questions now.

In the near future, I will provide plans for this Solar Dehydrator 2017 ATC project, last year's Solar Dehydrator 2016 ATC project (Tim's simple Australian model), and plans produced from Mark Vander Meer's notes and correspondences reporting a working model here in the Missoula area.

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Thanks Davin,
If Tim is still there ask him why he made me make the ghetto dehydrator with dual panes then. The ghetto dehydrator was working fine last year, but only lacked the screens for the tray frames we made. Over in the Wheaton Labs section I put a post that had pictures and I described what we did last year.

If Tim is going to help you cut the glass...remember he is jinxed...or maybe that was me... Seems like glass is even more dangerous having it hang over for the time being.

Either Jim or I are delusional...I know we went deeper than fifteen feet on that first hole. We were several extensions into it on that first hole, I think we spent an hour or so trying to get through a gravel layer at close to 20 feet. I think it was the second hole were it got so tough we switched out that broke ass handle he had with one of the metal extensions and ended up twisting it all up when we hit a really hard layer.

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Rob Griffin wrote:If Tim is still there ask him

Tim left Saturday evening to catch an early plane Sunday. Please find the picture below of the screens you described (an possibly made yourself) last year.

Rob Griffin wrote:Seems like glass is even more dangerous having it hang over for the time being.

The glass upon the new dehydrator looks to have come from a shower (sturdy stuff).

Rob Griffin wrote:Either Jim or I are delusional...

Jim had walked into the Library at Wheaton Base Camp just as I was typing the response (so I posed the question of depth). He left the Library soon after.

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