• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
 
Burra Maluca
Mother Tree
Posts: 9928
Location: Portugal
910
bee bike books duck forest garden greening the desert solar trees wofati
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Here's the link to all of Paul's digital market stuff - https://permies.com/f/312/paul-wheaton
 
paul wheaton
master steward
Posts: 22367
Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
bee chicken hugelkultur trees wofati woodworking
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Fredy Perlman wrote:Looks exciting! But I didn't subscribe to the kickstarter in time. I thought I had more time. Am I too late to get the $120 DOWNLOAD package, somehow someway?


The price of the kickstarter will always be the lowest - for at least a year. 

You can sign up for the download here:  https://permies.com/wiki/65387

 
Fredy Perlman
Posts: 90
Location: Mason Cty, WA
4
bike books fungi
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Thanks Burra and Paul. I've been sweating bullets since I posted. I've paid lots of late fees etc because I wait too long to part with $$$.

In that spirit it's only fair the kickstarter folks pay less. But Paul, is the $150 you linked the same as the kickstarter's 120? That is, it includes CANDY and THANKS?

EDIT: By which I mean, I hope so. I signed up tho!
 
paul wheaton
master steward
Posts: 22367
Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
bee chicken hugelkultur trees wofati woodworking
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Fredy Perlman wrote:Thanks Burra and Paul. I've been sweating bullets since I posted. I've paid lots of late fees etc because I wait too long to part with $$$.

In that spirit it's only fair the kickstarter folks pay less. But Paul, is the $150 you linked the same as the kickstarter's 120? That is, it includes CANDY and THANKS?

EDIT: By which I mean, I hope so. I signed up tho!


The "candy" and the "thanks" are just for kickstarter supporters. 

I made a choice a few kickstarters ago, that if somebody supports my kickstarter, I wish to give them the very best.  

Perhaps we will hear from you sooner on my next kickstarter?
 
Fredy Perlman
Posts: 90
Location: Mason Cty, WA
4
bike books fungi
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
paul wheaton wrote:The "candy" and the "thanks" are just for kickstarter supporters. 

I made a choice a few kickstarters ago, that if somebody supports my kickstarter, I wish to give them the very best.  

Perhaps we will hear from you sooner on my next kickstarter?


Sound logic.

Yep...lesson learned!
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 5
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Still eat'n good!
PDC_meals02.jpg
[Thumbnail for PDC_meals02.jpg]
Some of the meals at Wheaton Labs PDC 2017.
 
Esther Emery
Posts: 31
Location: Boise, ID
2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Nick Fouch's daily video review, Day 11: appropriate technology.
 
Priscilla Smith
Posts: 29
22
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Day in Photos: Botany in a Day author Tom Elpel  takes us on a tour of plant anatomy, Zach Weiss drops by for a visit.
tom-disects-dicots.jpg
[Thumbnail for tom-disects-dicots.jpg]
zach-weiss.jpg
[Thumbnail for zach-weiss.jpg]
image.jpeg
[Thumbnail for image.jpeg]
image.jpeg
[Thumbnail for image.jpeg]
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I want to thank Stewart Hung for the amazing work he did in and out of the kitchen.
PDC_meals03.jpg
[Thumbnail for PDC_meals03.jpg]
Wheaton Labs PDC 2017 food
 
Stewart Hung
Posts: 27
2
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
You're welcome, Davin! It was a pleasure to create these meals for all the wonderful folk at the PDC.
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Tim Barker showed us a quick and easy sawdust cooker.
sawdustcooker01.jpg
[Thumbnail for sawdustcooker01.jpg]
4:45PM Tim Barker has helpers fill and tamp sawdust.
sawdustcooker02.jpg
[Thumbnail for sawdustcooker02.jpg]
4:48PM Tim Barker lights sawdust cooker.
sawdustcooker03.jpg
[Thumbnail for sawdustcooker03.jpg]
10:45PM I pass sawdust cooker in the night.
 
Julia Winter
steward
Posts: 2095
Location: Moved from south central WI to Portland, OR
188
bee bike chicken food preservation hugelkultur urban
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
So, what's the deal with the sawdust cooker?  It burns itself?  Is it a way to utilize sawdust as a fuel for cooking?
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Julia Winter wrote:So, what's the deal with the sawdust cooker?  It burns itself?  Is it a way to utilize sawdust as a fuel for cooking?


Yes. Place a wrack above that bucket in the scenario shown here. The bucket has a hole in the bottom and a column of air the same diameter as said hole. The saw dust was tamped down to keep it's form, and a little sand was added to the top so the flames wouldn't spread on the surface. The bucket was sitting on bricks to allow air movement below and up, and lit from the bottom too.
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Now Katelin is filling our bellies...
ATC_meals04.jpg
[Thumbnail for ATC_meals04.jpg]
Meals at the 2017 Wheaton Labs ATC
 
Julia Winter
steward
Posts: 2095
Location: Moved from south central WI to Portland, OR
188
bee bike chicken food preservation hugelkultur urban
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
That looks delicious!  I love the flower on the middle plate.
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Yum! We are still eating great!!
ATC_meals05.jpg
[Thumbnail for ATC_meals05.jpg]
Wheaton Labs ATC food
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Katelin makes beautiful pies.


20170617_161522.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20170617_161522.jpg]
PIE before oven.
20170617_174437.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20170617_174437.jpg]
PIE after oven.
20170617_191611.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20170617_191611.jpg]
PIE ready for pie holes.
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Fred got a skid for the new Solar Dehydrator being built/finished up. The ATC group loaded and unloaded the Solar Dehydrator into place on the trailer, then, skid.
tractor-bringing-skid-for-solar-dehydrator.jpg
[Thumbnail for tractor-bringing-skid-for-solar-dehydrator.jpg]
Fred brought the skid.
solar-dehydrator-readied-for-skid.jpg
[Thumbnail for solar-dehydrator-readied-for-skid.jpg]
ATC group readied Solar Dehydrator for uploading onto skid.
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
A lot of work was done on the Solar Dehydrator project today.
erica-cuts-wood-for-solar-dehydrator-trays.jpg
[Thumbnail for erica-cuts-wood-for-solar-dehydrator-trays.jpg]
Erica cuts wood pieces for trays.
solar-dehydrator-trays.jpg
[Thumbnail for solar-dehydrator-trays.jpg]
Trays inside the Solar Dehydrator's cabinet.
solar-dehydrator-cabinet.jpg
[Thumbnail for solar-dehydrator-cabinet.jpg]
Solar Dehydrator's cabinet with open door. (incomplete)
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I didn't watch the clouds, but I stopped to take these pictures
clouds.jpg
[Thumbnail for clouds.jpg]
Many interesting weathers at Wheaton Base Camp.
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Yesterday, Erica did a presentation on rocket mass heaters. To start out, we modeled a brick assembly in small groups at our tables.
20170622_155514.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20170622_155514.jpg]
Erica's book on the pages we needed to reference.
20170622_155530.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20170622_155530.jpg]
Ken placing modeling bricks gently.
20170622_164529.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20170622_164529.jpg]
Erica's Rocket Mass Heater presentation.
 
Julia Winter
steward
Posts: 2095
Location: Moved from south central WI to Portland, OR
188
bee bike chicken food preservation hugelkultur urban
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
OMG the little wooden bricks are awesome!

The solar dehydrator is very impressive.  I hope the person with the apricot tree (was it an apricot tree?) allows ants (or boots) to come harvest again this year.

Thank you for posting pictures of what y'all are making in the ATC.
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
This is the well that Jim dug, and the progress the ATC and Fred (and company) made on the BioSand Water Filter.
20170623_102057.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20170623_102057.jpg]
The well that Jim dug with Dances with Pigs Meadow in the background.
20170623_102154.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20170623_102154.jpg]
The progress of the BioSand Water Filter.
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I would like to thank Katelin Ginther on an amazing job in and out of the kitchen during this 2017 ATC at wheaton labs!! Job Well Done.
ATC_meals06.jpg
[Thumbnail for ATC_meals06.jpg]
Wheaton Labs 2017 ATC Food
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Chocolate Moose Pie Finale!
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
The three brothers have been waiting for the chance to beat Tim up the hill their entire stay at Wheaton Labs...

The race ended at a bench swing, at the top of the hill, where the sun was still setting. Tim came in second
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Erica gives an overview of the Box Cooker.

 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Erica gives an overview of the Batch Box modifications.

 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Erica gives an overview of the Chest Refrigerator.

 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Erica gives an overview of the rocket oven.

 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Erica gives an overview of the water heater.

 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Erica gives an overview of the Solar Dehydrator.

 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Erica gives an overview of the Shower Water Heater.

 
Julia Winter
steward
Posts: 2095
Location: Moved from south central WI to Portland, OR
188
bee bike chicken food preservation hugelkultur urban
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Wow.  Thanks Davin and thanks Erica!

So many cool devices for people to use at Wheaton Labs.  It looks like the ATC was a success.
 
Rob Griffin
Posts: 101
Location: Huntsville, United States
12
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Thanks Davin.

There was a post on forums pondering on what a gold plated PDC would look like, but seeing all the fancy store bought wood, tin and hardware...and food... I know what a gold plated ATC looks like....lol

I have a couple of questions, if someone has the answers.
1.  How deep was the well on Dance with Pigs?  We drilled 40 ft up there last year at the ghetto ATC and did not get water.  I thought those pitcher pumps are only good for 20 or so feet.
2.  I am assuming you left the plastic sheets long on the dehydrator for weather protection, right?  Or are they going to be trimmed up to reduce the hazard of someone walking into them in the dark?  Why did you not double pane them?  
3.  What is the max internal temp you have seen in the dehydrator?  Get to 140 F to allow doing jerky?
4.  I am assuming that is stainless steel mesh in the dehydrator, did they finish trays from the ghetto ATC dehydrator from last year?  Where did they buy the screen from, as all I have seen online is real expensive?
5.  Just curious what is the bottom line dollar amount to build that dehydrator?  We may have had 3 dollars in the ghetto one from last year (not counting screens) as we scrounged everything from the scrap piles around there, except the foam insulation between the two layers of glass, and a glass cutter which we bought.

Rob
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Julia Winter wrote:Wow.  Thanks Davin and thanks Erica!


Thanks Erica Wisner! Your love and dedication is amazing.
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Rob Griffin wrote:1.  How deep was the well on Dance with Pigs?  We drilled 40 ft up there last year at the ghetto ATC and did not get water.  I thought those pitcher pumps are only good for 20 or so feet.

Jim thinks y'all drilled only 15 feet. Jim thinks this subject well is 29 feet deep. It was hand dug by Jim and company prior to the ATC. He modified the pump to do more... and has yet to document such modifications on his personal website. www.woodstead.org

Rob Griffin wrote:2.  I am assuming you left the plastic sheets long on the dehydrator for weather protection, right?  Or are they going to be trimmed up to reduce the hazard of someone walking into them in the dark?  Why did you not double pane them?

The dehydrator's width was built prior to the purchase of glass. This is glass, not plastic. Double pane would reduce the heat gain on the surface of the 'solar collector' (black interior portion)? We do not plan on cutting the glass. It was believed to be too difficult.

Rob Griffin wrote:3.  What is the max internal temp you have seen in the dehydrator?  Get to 140 F to allow doing jerky?

I have yet to take a temperature. The documents I studied before our ATC class emphasized 'air flow'. When I finish typing this, I will cut some apples and lay them out inside the cabinet as the first test. There are clouds promised, so I don't know what we're about to experience here. These tests have yet to be thorough because the ATC just finished and clean up is still taking place.

Rob Griffin wrote:4.  I am assuming that is stainless steel mesh in the dehydrator, did they finish trays from the ghetto ATC dehydrator from last year?  Where did they buy the screen from, as all I have seen online is real expensive?

The role of screen was expensive. I am working on providing a link to the item on the internet. The single tray dehydrator model that Tim uses in Australia (and I believe you help construct last ATC), has been finished and works well.

Rob Griffin wrote:5.  Just curious what is the bottom line dollar amount to build that dehydrator?  We may have had 3 dollars in the ghetto one from last year (not counting screens) as we scrounged everything from the scrap piles around there, except the foam insulation between the two layers of glass, and a glass cutter which we bought.

I am not sure, but I am not done documenting this project.

Sorry I can't answer all your questions now.

In the near future, I will provide plans for this Solar Dehydrator 2017 ATC project, last year's Solar Dehydrator 2016 ATC project (Tim's simple Australian model), and plans produced from Mark Vander Meer's notes and correspondences reporting a working model here in the Missoula area.
 
Rob Griffin
Posts: 101
Location: Huntsville, United States
12
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Thanks Davin,
If Tim is still there ask him why he made me make the ghetto dehydrator with dual panes then.   The ghetto dehydrator was working fine last year, but only lacked the screens for the tray frames we made.  Over in the Wheaton Labs section I put a post that had pictures and I described what we did last year.

If Tim is going to help you cut the glass...remember he is jinxed...or maybe that was me...  Seems like glass is even more dangerous having it hang over for the time being.

Either Jim or I are delusional...I know we went deeper than fifteen feet on that first hole.   We were several extensions into it on that first hole, I think we spent an hour or so trying to get through a gravel layer at close to 20 feet.   I think it was the second hole were it got so tough we switched out that broke ass handle he had with one of the metal extensions and ended up twisting it all up when we hit a really hard layer.
 
Davin Hoyt
Posts: 155
Location: Central Texas (Georgetown)
90
tiny house wofati
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Rob Griffin wrote:If Tim is still there ask him

Tim left Saturday evening to catch an early plane Sunday. Please find the picture below of the screens you described (an possibly made yourself) last year.

Rob Griffin wrote:Seems like glass is even more dangerous having it hang over for the time being.

The glass upon the new dehydrator looks to have come from a shower (sturdy stuff).

Rob Griffin wrote:Either Jim or I are delusional...

Jim had walked into the Library at Wheaton Base Camp just as I was typing the response (so I posed the question of depth). He left the Library soon after.
20170627_165237.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20170627_165237.jpg]
Trays of 2016 ATC Solar Dehydrator.
20170627_165321.jpg
[Thumbnail for 20170627_165321.jpg]
2016 ATC Solar Dehydrator to date.
  • Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
Boost this thread!