women peeing outdoors

Keep in mind if you take any pharmaceutical or over the counter drug:

Many pass unmetabolized through your body and (in the case of using the toilet) end up in the sewage system, and then end up in our rivers and streams.
80% of rivers and streams sampled have revealed trace elements of these products.

So what is the effect of directly depositing the remnants of drugs on the plants?
I don't know that anyone has studied this. But something to be aware of.

It's amazing how long this thread has become.  Guess I'll join the fray. 

If your pee stinks, drink more water.  I don't use toilet paper after urinating and I don't go around smelling like urine.  I'm hydrated. 

Haven't had a toilet here in three years and the only time I miss it is on a cold rainy night.  But then I just use a bucket and take it outside later. 

We've not gone thru a whole case of recycled toilet paper in 16 months, with an average of three people being here, that's something like two rolls a month (of nice, tightly wound large rolls, we buy the nicest TP we can find).  It saves A LOT of trees (even recycled ones) - not to mention money - to only use TP for #2, and then only when there are no available leaves. 

TP is one of those things that I'm seriously thankful for, every time I use it.  I don't see it as a necessity.  The vast majority of people who have been alive haven't ever used a single square of it.  But boy, is it nice to have a clean, comfy butt without sacrificing a clean hand. 

I like Anna Edey's Solviva flush toilet. That way I can pee in the privacy of my own bathroom and the pee is automatically diluted so it doesn't burn the plants.

Regarding pharmaceuticals in the urine, biochar (charcoal) is a popular choice for filtering drinking water, so I imagine it would do a good job trapping the chemicals.  Charcoal is used to concentrate drugs for drug testing urine.  Afterwards I would mix it in to a fresh compost pile.

Just found this thread .....interesting, and something I've thought about lots since I've been here - we have compost toilets and i ask everyone to please pee outside, anywhere.  It was obviously a hassle for a lot of women so i build a pee toilet - the urine mixes with the grey water runoff and irrigates the bottom of the raised beds in the greenhouse. That bit is OK but i am interested in people's attitudes - there are plenty of places for secrecy here, except in winter when there are no leaves, but many women just cant bring themselves to pee outside - we had a discussion the other day about men traditionally peeing together and women always doing ti in private in a cubicle - have we just been ingrained to thinking that peeing is a secret private thing to be ashamed off?  why do men like peeing together?

I can't speak for "men", but as a man, I don't really enjoy peeing with other men.  The way the urinals in men's bathroom are set up, however, does not allow for a lot of privacy.  The walls that go up are mental, it is taboo to talk to a stranger who is using a urinal.  What we lose in privacy, though, we gain in time - frequently the choice is to use a urinal right away or wait for a stall.  Some do choose to wait, but most don't -- that's why men's room lines are much shorter.

jdwheeler42 wrote:
....  What we lose in privacy, though, we gain in time - frequently the choice is to use a urinal right away or wait for a stall.  Some do choose to wait, but most don't -- that's why men's room lines are much shorter.

Well, that and the dealing with the wet seat factor, the much longer clothing fuss factor, wiping factor -- unless your a drip-or-shake-dry kind of woman.

I'm firmly in camp B, and am blessed to live in the country so privacy isn't much of an issue.  I hate going to the city 'cause there's no place to pee.  I would say to the women in camp A - practice makes perfect.  A strong stream and the ability to shut off the flow is a fine and useful thing to develop, and will likely help prevent the problems another woman brought up as a concern (when women age, pee is likely to go sideways) keep your muscles strong and healthy by cultivating your outdoor peeing technique!  Keeping your muscles strong also has other perks that your male partner will appreciate.
  I don't squat all the way down.  I pee in nearly a standing position.  I take my pants down to mid thigh, lean my torso forward, stick my butt out, use my hands to spread my butt cheeks a bit, and let'er rip.   Squeeze it off quick and a couple shakes...no problem. Splashback isn't an issue unless you're peeing on a hard surface.  (I always pee on plants/grass/forest duff)
  My pee has killed the grass when I pee in the same place over and over again, so I try to mark the perimeter of my "territory" by peeing in a big circle around it.
   Wyldthang is right- it's underwear that are gross.  Or maybe I'm just a fellow dirty hippie from the OR coast range.
I developed the standing method from living on a boat.  It felt like I was gonna fall overboard in a full squat.   
I've used the funnel type urination device with good success.  Privacy was an issue while replacing my fuel injectors in a parking lot in New Mexico (few trees and bushes in the desert)  Since that job required 8 hours and a 12 pack of Corona, I was glad to have my "Lady J".  I could just stand behind my van door facing into the van and no one could even tell I was peeing into a corona bottle!  (no, I didn't get my bottles mixed up)

Paul mentions this thread in this podcast: podcast

Oh wow. I love this topic!

I am a dyed-in-the-wool outdoor pee-er. In fact, I so prefer it that I feel at a loss when visiting more cultured folks in cities, and when I go into town I find myself looking longingly at strips of grass along the road when I find I really have to go.

For those gals who find squatting uncomfortable, try standing. Yep, that's right - standing. It really is not hard if you do a little backward thrust with the hips to get past your pants (which you obviously still have to pull down a bit). If you wear a skirt, its a breeze. Just slide the ole panties crotch to one side and let go like a man (using that power pee method previously mentioned). You may wet your feet once in awhile -- especially if you aren't careful to aim for grass and hit a big rock that richochets everything back at you -- but you get better with practice, I promise!

paul wheaton wrote: So with the sideways factor - on a toilet, some of the issues are mitigated, but outside you could end up wetting your shoes, your leg, etc.  Is that about right?

Umm, yes, that's been my experience -- and it's not something I've ever discussed with anyone before. The Shewee looks like it might be a solution.

i have a go-girl. if you get a gizmo like that, i strongly suggest you have a couple trials with it -- in the shower just before you wash up is best. that will let you figure out how to use it at all. next, practice with just panties on (unless you never wear them in that case use shorts). that way if they get wet it's just the one item to wash, but you get the idea of how to use it with your stance restricted.
for the record, i have been peeing outdoors since the seventies, and have the go-girl only for nasty restroom use.
i strongly suggest practicing starting and stopping flow every time you pee. that keeps the sphincters healthy and helps with aim.

Ahhh, the things one learns on permies.com!

I think a good solution is to make a pot,pipe,container that is a comfy height and fill it with charcoal/biochar. the biochar has an incredible ability to absorb and store nutrients then slowly release them as needed by plants through micro organisms pee into the pipe filled with biochar and eventually add it to the compost or directly into the soil. a visual screen can be set up easily. doesn't solve the traveling the byways problem though.

First, @ Paul, bahahahahaha!

And I admire your bravery, inappropriateness and applaud your curiosity. I also agree that as we discuss topics that have been labeled "taboo" they lose that distinction and become more "normal".... norms are the prison of the mind

As part of group B, I thought I'd share

I am a Lady, as well as a TomBoy. Yup, the ultimate paradox, I can be both I grew up out in the woods, and feel I belong in nature. Not a big deal for me, I can pee outside or anywhere Squatting is good for the body, with practice there is no mess, and about the TP- I'm a fan of shaking it, not a big deal to freshen up later if needed. Tips, it's easier if you wear a skirt or dress than to wear jeans, squatting is easier if you can spread your feet out a bit further than hip distance. Power Peeing helps you learn to aim, and try to point out in front of you by tilting your pelvis forward, and holding your bottom up level to your knees so you don't get your shoes or feet, or experience a back-spray

@Paul, anything else your inquiring mind is curious about? lol

paul wheaton wrote:It is entirely inappropriate for me to bring this up.

And yet .... here I am doing it ....

Many women are less than comfortable peeing outside.  If there is an indoor option and an outdoor option, and a request to pee outside (as many permaculture farms do) they will choose the indoor option.

Other women prefer to pee outside.  Even if there is a preference that folks pee inside, they are passionate that pee is not to be wasted on a septic system. 

I have attempted some gentle queries in this space.  Although any query a man makes in this space is rude and obnoxious however gentle you attempt to make it.  But I'm used to being rude and obnoxious, so I've gained some ground.

Let's say the gals that prefer indoors are group A and the gals that prefer outdoors are group B.

I asked some gals from group A "why?"  The responses were mostly about it being messy and sometimes about the squatting position being tiring.  And then there was something about what do you do with the bit of TP after.

And then I ran into a permaculture instructor from group B.  I knew she would understand my obnoxious questions and roll with it like any other permaculture question.

In respect to messy:  a little practice on aim and a little extra push (read: power pee) is the recipe. 

I didn't think to ask about the other two and I should have. 

I think that the world may be a better place if this .... awkward ... information is exchanged.  Any chance that there are women from group B that are willing to share?  And are there, perhaps, women from group A that might have more questions?

I was always very firmly in group A until I ended up at an outdoor punk show with lots of beer and no facilities (except the wooded area right along the river). Nowadays I'll be at a show at a particular house and generally opt to use the area right next to the yard behind a vine covered fence rather than wait for the bathroom (and I'm not the only one). I used to be rather uptight about such things but living in the punk community and being homeless for awhile got rid of that right quick.

I never, ever sit on public toilet seats. I'm exceptionally paranoid about public restrooms (spend a few months studying pathogens and you will be too) so I always squat and as such I have no problem doing so outdoors. Thighs of freakin' steel. Squatting can be practiced and is good exercise (squats tone thighs and glutes).

I don't worry about toilet paper as the shake method has always worked just fine for me, no smell or other unpleasant side effects. Even at home I don't always use paper as it's a waste of paper and thus money (the level of frugality one reaches after homelessness is rather amazing).

As far as aim/splashing/getting shoes wet goes, I have never had a problem with this and 9 times out 10 I've been drinking when I go outdoors. I can squat trashed and not get my shoes. I don't 'power pee' or anything, I couldn't honestly say how I do it.

It bothers me that this practice isn't more socially acceptable for women. The more acceptable it was the more women would practice it. I would much prefer the great outdoors to a portapotty and even to a few public restrooms (college campus + public restroom = )

I agree I find peeing outside far, FAR preferable to a portapotty. I don't go into town much, and out here I am surrounded by people I know and like. Some of my male friends feel comfortable peeing in my presence, facing away from me. I pee in their presence and if I'm facing them there's nothing for them to see since my pants don't go past mid/upper thigh.
Everybody pees. It's normal. It's not shameful, or sexual (for most ppl, LOL) or dirty. It's just peeing; a part of life.

I have a $1 funnel from dollar store. I keep it in a baggie with tp. I pee into a bottle and dilute the pee for the garden. In winter I can use the funnel to pee directly on the garden, over the mulch, just like a man. It's fun! The lady who delivers our post was delighted and said it would save her a lot of hassle as she is often in more built up areas - now she can do as the men do!

The shewee people mention is a commercial version of this. Mine is hokey, homemade and works perfectly - bit cumerbsome to carry around in the purse, but I spend most of my time here on the 'homestead'!!

The original idea for this was called La Funelle french for the funnel. In the mid 90's I think, A woman invented a paper funnel that could be slipped into a purse. Nothing more came of it.. until sheewee and others took it up years later.

I have been reading this thread. All I can say is there is a lot of fascination on women and the way they decide to pee. To be frank with you the young kid say TMI, well this just is TMI! LOL Keep up the good work permies you got something for everyone.

We have a dry compost toilet but expect visitors to pee outside. There's plenty of space and privacy, but I know that many women are uncomfortable with the idea. You get used to it pretty quick when there isn't an alternative though! It's quite possible to keep a bucket for this purpose, but peeing in the bushes is just so much simpler in the long run. By contrast, I've never known a guy visit here who's had a major issue with it. In fact, most of them are quite happy just moving to the nearest boundary and turning their back.

I hate finding used toilet paper lying about, so I insist that it comes back and ends up in either the compost heap or the paper bucket in the compost loo (which gets burnt). Whether some ladies choose to shake instead of using it I have no idea, but personally I prefer to use paper and carry it back for disposal, unless it's an 'emergency' pee and I have none available.

I occasionally have a problem with people repeatedly using the same spot and a smell appearing, but this tends to be the guys causing the problem. They're lazy and tend to use the spot right behind the caravans (yeuch! who wants to pee on their own doorstep?!) or right next to the compost loo. A word followed by a bucket of water sorts the problem and it wouldn't arise in the first place if people used some sense and spread their offerings around.

I've been using the great outdoors for years and my only issue is privacy because we tend to have lots of people around, or the weather. Occasionally we have someone who'll be willing to pee in the compost heaps, but they're sited a little too publicly for most women including me. Actually, it's rare we have a guy who pees there either. I think that is because they feel there's an ick factor involved. We did have a lady who brought a sheewee specifically for the compost heap, but I don't think she used it after an initial experiment. When we build our next compost toilet we'll build one which can deal with pee too.

Ok, I've only read through the first page but when I was younger I had no problems peeing outside and did it rather frequently. For many years I refused to ever use a public restroom. It was easier when I could go hours and hours without needing to pee. I'm now a whopping 36yo but I've had 6 kids and I'm fatter. Things change. It's way easy to pee in a free flowing skirt. If I'm wearing a pair of jeans it's just freaking awkward to try and squat and not pee on my jeans meanwhile I'm concerned someone will see my large white ass or that I might lose my balance with my pants around my ankles and fall down. It'd be bad enough to be found squatting and peeing with my pants around my ankles and another thing entirely to be caught off guard, falling head over heels fully exposed and not able to get my pants up quick enough. There. That's my nightmare scenario. I'd definitely gladly pee when we are out and about outside if I could find someone genuine privacy but I rarely find the situation and I've tried. I have no privacy in my yard either because I really don't want to my pee in front of my kids as they are getting older. I'm pretty sure they'd be horrified. lol Also I do not find shake and dry to be so easy any more. I don't seem to dry that quickly anymore that or I have less tolerance for a damp crotch leading to chafing.

I just need to buy one of those things so I can pee standing up. I'd love that. I'd take an empty jar out with us and just collect my urine in that.

Peeing in the great outdoors brings up traumatic memories for me. I did it once. I had to go so bad when we were away from home and my mom told me to just go pee by the tree. So I got into position and relaxed and let go. As I was peeing I looked down to see a snake slither between my feet. I tried to stop but I just had to go too badly. I peed all over that snake. That was 40 years ago. I never did tell my mom about it--I felt so bad about it!

Had to add to this..as I lived with out even an outhouse for 7 years. A chamber pot is a classic and easy way for women who cannot or prefer not to go outside, especially in bad weather and at midnight to can be hard to head out the door. OK about to get semi graphic as to how to avoid getting wet...tune out now if squeemish... If you hold the lips of your vagina apart while you go, it comes out in a stream further from your body, also point it downhill if on a sloped area. I carry a lavender water drenched wash cloth with me for my hands and a tiny dab if needed. If you prefer paper..We also had a composting spot for paper where our worms live..it vanishes in no time. We keep that covered w/ leaves or straw. Bio char is something I am just learning about in the last year. Planning to go back to the yard so to speak..but as I now live in town I think I'll be using the chamber pot. If you smell it at all, your going in the same spot too much. To which I throw a shovel full of dirt leaves straw and water it in. The chamber pot is good in the sense you can use it where you need it. I have put it in my brush compost to heat it up and help it break down faster. If anyone is interested I'll also tell you about my 17dollar, zero tech composting toilet, that I used for all those years...more method than hardware..i simply used a galvanized tiny trash can with fitting lid..(tape shut tiny hole on lid) kept a toilet seat hanging nearby. Another can with wood shavings to cover each time. I stirred once a week or more with a branch (loving known as the shit stick) and burned the paper on top that was put in a trash bag during the week. I had to start a new one for myself every 3 months or so. I would leave the old one to rest for a little over a year closed and then buried the completely broken down contents in the woods. I could then wash and reuse the can for another toilet as needed..I think I had about 5 for myself before I stopped needing to buy another. I did live alone and only had a few folks who had to use the can when they spent the night or if I had a party.
Roxanne Sterling Falkenstein
aka WildeHilde
So Oregon- Josephine Co
Santa Cruz Calif. Transplant

For those who use your pee as the to expel bears, coyotes, and other large predators:
This works only if the urine is really richly scented and a lot of spilled on the territory.
To do this, save your urine all day (I use a large plastic bottle) and let evaporate to half or to one quarter.
It is easy to obtain in the sun or in a dry shed. In an urgent situation, you can evaporate urine on the stove.
When urine is concentrated, the smell is too, more pronounced. Gather a few of these bottles and spray on the border of your territory.
This will puzzle any predator! More productive if you spray on trees and bushes from the height of your chest down - to predators that will be a sign that you're not shorty! .. Then the animals do not come to meet you. Repeat this after heavy rains, so that they remember.

Love all these ideas and home remedies, but collect your pee and dump around property line??!! There are just some things that separate us from the animal kingdom, spreading our sent is one of them. My remedies is get a big dog! Let him pee all around and then he will also guard your property. Dont mean to offend, but ICKY!

Dear Stacy Zoozwick, do not condemn people by situations in which you had not been. If you want to be close to a wild animal kingdom then not disregard general understandable language. Eventually, your dog and cat bilingual - they know their language and understand yours...while to wild animals known only the forest language. Do you know that wild animals can tear apart even the big dog? And the dog can also kill a wild animal ... For what? Because you were greedy to use your pee to mark the borders? I gave this recipe not for use in urban life, but only in the wilderness. Where is many people try to be self-sufficient and in harmony with nature - their crops and livestock depend on them. A dog's life is precious, too, especially if it's your best friend.

Olanga Jay wrote:For those who use your pee as the to expel bears, coyotes, and other large predators:
This works only if the urine is really richly scented and a lot of spilled on the territory.
To do this, save your urine all day (I use a large plastic bottle) and let evaporate to half or to one quarter.
It is easy to obtain in the sun or in a dry shed. In an urgent situation, you can evaporate urine on the stove.
When urine is concentrated, the smell is too, more pronounced. Gather a few of these bottles and spray on the border of your territory.
This will puzzle any predator! More productive if you spray on trees and bushes from the height of your chest down - to predators that will be a sign that you're not shorty! .. Then the animals do not come to meet you. Repeat this after heavy rains, so that they remember.

Olanga Jay, thank you for this! I was thinking of doing this very thing when we settled our Land! What great ideas, thank you so much for sharing these ideas! ((hug))

Yes, Jamie Yvonne, it's very important to do as soon as you move to a new land. While not necessarily to mark all acres at once. You see, the usual mistake people make when moving, is that they are glad that they are alone in the wilderness .. No other people ... so you can keep the doors and windows open ... While wild animals are thinking, "Thank you God, for the food home delivery!"

Mountain lions got into the house through the windows ...I lost 4 cats in the first week ... The dog of my friends has been shred right on the porch in the afternoon, when the doors were open ... Bears come into the house, they loved to walk through the kitchen window and fish on the stove ...and they do not care there is a day or night ... or if I am cooking in the kitchen! Usually, they do not first attack adults, but I'd feared for the children - because the small children have size of the pets. So the first thing you need to mark is the perimeter of the house. And only when you already know that your message was understood correctly, you can expand. For example, you can see wild animals from the windows, but they do not come into your house. This means respect! : o)

Next place is your garden.
I had a bear, who was watching my every move. After he stopped to come in to my house, I no longer opposed his company. He sat at a distance of 4 feet from me and watched how I make the beds ...as I put plants ...But then, he gently pulled my plants! Then I had to mark the perimeter of the garden.

Then the livestock and pasture ...
At first, I did not mind when the deer were grazing with my livestock together on the same pasture ... But when deer are frightened, they tear еlectric fence and run away ... and my herd runs after them! And also, the electric fence does not protect the herd from predators! Because they have such thick fur, they do not care about electricity .... So pastures I also had to mark ...until I got bull! Bull is a wonderful protector! But the bull should be trained, otherwise he will be too good protector and will attack even cars passing by your house... Trained bull is not for food. It's your loyal and powerful helper around the house. If you train him from early childhood, it is very easy. You can ride a bull anywhere and in work on the farm, he will replace three horses. And now, when he does pee in the barn, I put a bucket and spill where necessary : o)

This does not mean that you are spacing from wildlife. It was and is all around you.
The task is not to be noticed as food for wildlife, but to be part of the environment. I have not marked the place where I feed wild animals. But they should understand exactly what is acceptable and respect you as part of their world .

Women who are boobariffically gifted will probably find themselves forced to deal with a problem called center of gravity... which has me peeing on my waistband.

Every.

Single.

Time.


It goes like this: crouch on tiptoes. Shape your body like a "T" -- your calves and feed are the vertical -- and there's too much instability. One errant muscle flex and you're on your face. Shape your body like a triangle (much more compact) and you're stable... but your waistband is wet.

Is always better to pee directly into dirt as this electrically grounds one self better.

just posted this in the fermenting thread, but should be here too, for easy searching

http://ask.metafilter.com/206262/What-happens-when-human-urine-ferments#2973150

I know this is only tenuously related but can I ask if anyone has heard if female urine is not as effective for vegetables and fruit due to higher levels of estrogen and other chemical naturally found in women? A chemist had told me in the past that male urine (suitably diluted and unadulterated, of course) is better as a fertiliser and nitrogen fixer. Thanks!

I didn't read all the posts but has anyone heard of the P-style? www.thepstyle.com It helps greatly to easily stand up and pee like a man, especially if you wear pants with a zipper. Just insert and go. I am a man, but in the community where I live I see women just pull them out of their pockets wrapped in a cloth or something like that (I think either the website or facebook page might address cleanliness).
It has become such a normal thing in the towns near where I live, no one even notices when a woman goes in the woods. They are very popular, the pstyles. I think about $12 or maybe less. (it is shaped kinda like a shoe-horn)

As for peeing in the garden, an experienced farmer knew that my soil was acidic because I used leaves as compost so he told me to pee directly onto the garden near, but not on, my plants. It is perfect for adding alkalinity to the soil. All the women I know pee in the garden. Also, he suggesting adding eggshells to a gallon jug and peeing in that, and then adding it to the garden after diluting in water (urine being 10-40% of the solution depending on the acidity of your soil). that way you can add it directly to the plants.

If course privacy is not too much of a concern here, as I live in the country and at community gatherings people don't mind seeing a woman pee standing up.. I've really never seen anything I shouldn't anyway when they use the pstyle.

Hope this helps

Being rather new to Permies, I have been reading through old threads that catch my eye. This one surely did! I, for one, thoroughly enjoy peeing in the great outdoors and take every opportunity to meet the challenge of inopportunity and attempted decorum. I'm usually quite successful at "squat and release", but after an old flame (think I put out the fire after this one) told me that I looked like a cow peeing on a flat rock, I now keep my adventures private.
Namaste, y'all!

you don't need to buy a shewee to pee outdoors. a regular size plastic water/soda bottle will do just fine. using a knife, cut the bottom off, then cut at an angle from the bottom toward the cap rim, leaving the cap rim in tact. remove cap. taper the bottom of the plastic bottle to a soft edge, kind of making a scoop shape. then, pee to your hearts content! with some practice, you can even pee like the pros!!! this is what i use to fill up my compost bin with nitrogen rich pee.

It's very easy to pee outside while wearing a skirt and no underwear. Also, it's possible to pee staning up with a skirt. It takes practice but I have 3 daughters and they can all do it. Additionally, it's healthier than wearing pants, less UTI & yeast.

Urine is a big deal on our place.
I'll even hold it till I get back as not to waste it.
My wife would rather go indoors and that is fine because we use a sunmar composting toilet that I modified to divert urine into a 5 gallon jug out side.

I even haev a 5 gallon bucket that I go in when out side , when it gets near full I pour it around our banana plants and stuff.
It is amazing how much we produce and I figure at the price of fert here in Hawaii. it is a real money maker.

I dump our toilet compost in compost piles around our property line and cover wit compost. those eventually get a fruit tree or banana plant in them.

We also pour urine directly on our big muclh piles as the urea really breaks stuff down fast.

We also mulch all paper and cardboard.

I can't stand to let anything go to waste. I wish I could get people to dump all there compostable waste on our property.

I recently got the pStyle and love it!

I must add that I am a consummate squatter despite my ample girth and short stature. My dad taught me how when I was tiny. I evaluate the lay on the land (Which way will the pee flow? Downhill, move your feet!), I look for plants that are tushy tickle high in a squat (I hate how it feels to squat into a plant.), and I reach between my pants legs from the front to grab the back of my waistband and pull forward. (See Kelda's post - a deep squat is essential!)

Try to find a wiping leaf before you need the wipe.

I find the pStyle greatest for when you can't tell what you're squatting over (night time), but having it in a 'crowd' is nice, too.

I use cloth pads and a menstrual cup, so when I go hiking/camping, I just wear my cloth pads to absorb the excess urine and stay fresh feeling, but now with the pStyle, I find that it does an excellent job of "squeegee-ing". Shaking it gets it pretty tidy, but a splash of water really does the trick. The last week has had me thinking about using it in my large-for-city lot and this thread has me convinced.

I really like Michelle's back-pocket wipe idea, even w/pStyle, but I'll just wash it (easier than cloth diapers and rags).

For the woman/en who think cloth pads are destined to smell even after washing, I have tips and suggestions at the ready. If we can get diapers clean we can get our moon rags clean. PS, I use the "water" that I wring out of my rags to fertilize my house plants .

Last summer, my freshly turned 3 daughter was on our back patio, naked. I see her bend her knees, lean back with her hips forward and as the pee shot out of her she waggled her hips around in a skilled fashion as she made a lovely design!