women peeing outdoors

Me- *maybe I should join permies.com*

Also me- Women peeing outdoors. Wait wat.

Haha reading a bit of this I see that much to my relief it's not what I first thought! Anyhow, yeah, peeing outside is convenient and it's never bothered me. I'm not about to purchase some contraption I need to wash though. Just squat and go. I'll usually grab a burdock leaf on my way to whatever bush I'm headed for. It just never made sense to me to trek back to the house any time I needed to pee. If it was acceptable for men to do it, I saw no reason women couldn't do it too.

Pee outside its good for the garden ....but if you take birthcontrol antibiotics  blah blah blah
..keep it in the outhouse ...clean pee is good pee from anyone

Very old thread here but just wanted to say that I set up a bucket full of biochar when I make some then use that to pee in for a day. I figure it charges the biochar with nutritients

Kim Goodwin wrote:I like pee-ing outside, but when I got in my later 20's, I had some changes to my physical anatomy due to an autoimmune disease.  This caused the "stream" to suddenly pull to one side.  So if squatting to pee, suddenly it would go down my leg into my shoe!  There is no way to change angle and make it work consistently - I've tried over and over and over. This autoimmune condition rare in young women, but affects a good proportion of women over 40, and can reshape (the term I prefer to "deform") the genitalia a bit.  Causing odd effects like angled pee-streams.  Later, I got sick in my adulthood, and for many years couldn't hold a crouch, but that's another issue, really.

This can be an issue for me too. I haven't been diagnosed with anything, but I'll look into it. There's no way to aim and I don't know why I started going sideways recently. I used to "hover" at public toilets (I always wipe up the sprinkle) but once the stream went sideways and ran down my leg it was so embarrassing. Now I wipe the seat, lay down toilet paper and sit. Thanks for sharing your experience Kim! I haven't been camping since this started happening to me but even before, it was always a sprinkly mess, so I only consider outdoor pee-ing to be a camping activity, and would just put up with feeling un-clean.

If it's every-day life, I will take the indoors option. It actually saves water if I don't have to shower and launder after pee-ing.

Just used my shewee after a few beers and got it round the wrong way (HOW? ) and soaked my shorts and flip flops. SCORE!

This thread is hilarious!  Thank you Paul for not being squeamish.
Firmly in camp B! Although most of my friends think I'm crazy...
Some things we've done here on the homestead to make things easier
Willow coppices in mulch basins make a great place to go with no splashing...good for folk who are visiting and you don't know if they are healthy or medicated...we made woven wood screens for privacy...from willow no less!
Multiple small compost piles...great for dumping the chamber pot from overnight and a quick place to drop your tp...cover over the winter to mellow and plant squash or melons in the spring.
Outdoor bucket sink...the "dirty" water gets thrown in the above mentioned willow coppices and it's operated by foot pump so clean hands before or after is a breeze.
We have a BSF composting setup for humanure.
Tried a "go girl" thing, more trouble than it's worth! I keep a large mouthed mason jar in the vehicle for real emergencies.
I have to say I am quite jealous of you other ladies who can pee standing up without making a mess! I've never gotten the hang of it...

I was worried when I saw a video link in this thread lol.  Ladies can get a little device that allows them to pee while standing or easily fill a vessel for distribution on the compost pile or garden beds.  Here are some ideas you can pick up at your local outdoor store.  https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMEA2qDoshMqRcKlWRofSCYUVtBFcyVByrt--Me

There's always going in a bucket indoors (I prefer the rubber bucket), & then setting in on the back porch (covered, along with kitchen scraps) until it can be diluted & added to the compost pile.

katchmoleen Hatfield wrote:Yes, I will surely let you know.

I do not like squatting due to the splash factor, and also (ALERT TMI) as women age, their anatomy changes and things don't come out in a nice straight stream....more likely to come out sideways etc. And that's all I'll say about that! 

Not sure it’s even an age thing 😉

Camp B! Between bad knees, and in the last few years, 'going sideways', squatting is not an option, for me. I have & use one of these: https://www.amazon.com/pStyle-Lavender/dp/B002AA8GDG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1535671527&sr=8-3&keywords=pstyle+female+urination+device&dpID=41qW-TeNHAL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
We are bikers and we're looking for land to buy, and we travel - indoor facilities just aren't always an option. I carry an old bandana, stuffed inside (just in case), and attach it to my edc hip bag, in its own pouch. Cleaning me up is a non-issue, because if used correctly, you won't need to. Cleaning it up is a matter of flicking it downward a time or two - maybe use the banana to dry it some more. Tuck it back into the pouch, & away we go. When 'wee' get home, then I wash it with soap.

I just squat and go... always aim downhill, never onto a hard surface. I've never had much difficulty with it. If you're wearing a skirt mind where it hangs so it doesn't intercept your stream. I don't mind getting it on my feet.

paul wheaton wrote:It is entirely inappropriate for me to bring this up.

Perhaps, inappropriate for some in the west. Here in Southeast Asia, however, it is not uncommon for both men and women to pee and shower outside. Many homes in this part of the world, do not have inside toilets / showers. We do, because that was something I was going to have built, prior to moving to rural Cambodia on the farm, from the city.

I saw this on amazon today in my recommended items.

Took me by surprise.

Reminded me of this thread.

Those with female anatomy in our home pee outside with no problem, but we worry about age making that harder. Also, men seem to enjoy peeing outside way more. The satisfaction on some men's faces when they just pissed out a fire is the image of pure bliss!

Virginia West wrote:The satisfaction on some men's faces when they just pissed out a fire is the image of pure bliss!

Or, when we were boys and tried to write our names in the snow.

I'm new to the Permies forums. So hi!

The very first topic I came across was this one and I just had to laugh.
My personal solution puts me in neither category 'A' nor 'B'......or maybe both?
(Either way, I'm on the 'edge', lol).

My rented place has a septic tank which I do my best to avoid using.
In my laundry room (so, ok, it's technically indoors, but it's right next to the back door) I've placed a commode chair - the type that many elderly and disabled people use -
which is where I pee.
It has a conventional toilet seat, so it's comfortable and there's no issue of splashies, and a removable plastic bucket with a lid, so also no smellies.

When it gets half full I dilute it with some laundry water (which I collect in a bucket from each wash) and add it with the paper to the compost/kitchen-scraps-disposal-system.

I bought the commode chair for a few dollars from a charity shop. They are in plentiful supply (at least where I live) so, yeah, no new materials are needed.

Hello ladies, I got a "go girl" for my wife about 3 years ago because she likes to go hunting with me and, after almost falling in her own pee several times sitting on a log or leaning against a tree to try to pee and not get it on her clothes, she saw it an said heck yeah i'd give it a try. So, I bought her one and gave it to her. It took a little getting used to she said you know getting it in the right spot.. but she said once she got it and figured out how to use it for her body she loved it. She no longer has to drop her pants all the way down now to pee. She has said she loves it especially hunting because in the winter all the extra layers we have on and how cold it is it was ruff for her to try to drop her clothes lean against a frozen tree keep her footing and pee.

Well class me as type A for peeing in doors but if your out and cut short then you've got no option than to take the bush root so I fall in to B also lol

How bizarre that this conversation is still going. I think it started on homesteadingtoday before permies was around.

Started my daughter with a go girl when she was a pre-teen.  She would be way out in a boat fishing (Maine/Canadian border) with her dad, cousins and sometimes a guide (all male) and would fret about needing to pee.  They'd always pull onto an island for a shore lunch but it was still using the bushes.....voila--a go girl in her tackle box made the problem disappear. Practicing in the shower a bunch of times helped,too.
She hasn't needed to go off the side of the boat yet but....  

nancy sutton wrote:After wrestling with a jam jar with a handle on it for a few years, I had occasion to become familiar with the hospital's urine collection method - the 'hat'   I bought 2 from Amazon for minimal $, and now use them - never 'miss' or hit my hand    It is a bother to take out and empty into into the watering can, but it's natural and free. 

BTW, has it been addressed yet why dog pee yellows lawns ?  does ours?  Is it a matter of them using the same spot repeatedly, if posssible? 

My hubby has been testing this theory - peeing in the same general place in the grass (about a 3 ft area)  for a couple years now - the grass is not yellow like where dogs pee, and in fact it is greener than where he does not pee.  He does spread it out a little bit (Lol) instead of concentrating in a 3 inch area, so maybe that helps.  But still after so long no grass damage.

Sandy

I pee outside in the summer. In the winter I prefer to pee indoors because I don't have one of these pee-funnel things and my bum would get too cold. Aim & power-pee is very important indeed and I find it easier to pee if I'm wearing a skirt versus jeans to keep things out of the way.

My guests know that my dog pees/poops in the yard, obviously, so I don't know why anyone would be more skeeved out to know that there had been humans peeing there. There are some private enough parts of my yard that I don't have to worry about anyone seeing. Peeing in a bucket and diluting with water makes some good liquid fertilizer. In some tests I've seen it does comparable or better to Miracle Gro and it has the added benefits of being organic and free. My aunt was the founder of her local master gardener's chapter and she always encouraged the dogs to pee on her garden plants. Maybe the grass in lawns is more temperamental, because they're mowed (already hurts their health a lot which is why they need so much fuss to maintain).

I've heard it's possible for women to pee standing up without the pee-funnel but it's an advanced-level skill.

I have a portable joan, and I love it!
Mine came with a beige cup and red pee-bottle. I never use the cup without the pee bottle, it would splash all over my shoes!
I took this when going up mountains for telescope parties. You can't use a light without shredding your night vision, and you don't want to wander too far off. With that portable joan, you can open a car door, stand up to pee, and dump it with 0 splash factor.

I keep it in my survival kit.
Look out boys! This is the great equalizer, chix peeing any ol'where.

just a quick post . but may i interject with , i dont think its peeing outside thats the problem for women . i would wager most women just dont want to risk peeing up there lags and over there feet. as a man , ill sit when ever i can . even a pro pitcher misses once in a while and i would rather sit down then listen to my wife complain .
but if you gotta pee , ill hold your coat lol

I'd love to try one of those pee funnels. (Amazon calls them a FUD - female urination device. Sound so ciinical.)  Call me crazy, but I love to pee in the shower.  So freeing to stand up and pee like a man.  Only time I get penis envy is when I'm camping and gotta squat in tall grass to relieve myself. TMI, I know.  But this funnel would be the best of both worlds.

Well. Here goes. I am not used to being obnoxious though.

I am a bigender person, born in a women's body. I was raised in a european family in the US and I traveled outside the country.
I hate peeing indoors as I feel it wastes compost. I hate it.

But, I'm forced to do it anyhow so I deal with it.

When you have a woman's body and you want to pee outdoors, generally it takes more work for us. It's not easy to stand and pee quickly.
We are also raised with shame. So we dont feel comfortable naturally "going" outside, because our culture in the US frowns upon it for some strange reason.

I lived on a homestead and got used to composting like...everything?
And currently I find myself tired of "giving specimens" on a daily basis, multiple times a day. ITS TIRING BEING IN A WOMEN"S BODY. I'm pretty sure all cis females feel this way, no matter how we choose to identify?

Correct me if I'm incorrect about yourself.

I got myself a pstyle and practiced with it some inside but didn't feel completely confident in its use since I hadn't actually put it to the test in a RL outdoors situation.  Well, this past week I went on a couple hikes with family and needed it.  I'm happy to report that it worked perfectly!  Such a relief (pun intended :)) to easily fix the issue without worrying about choosing between some random person coming around the corner and seeing me squatting bare-assed or risking poison oak by going seriously off-trail and completing dropping my pants.  Hiking was so much better without doing it will a full bladder too!

For me the biggest issue with using the pstyle has been mental.  I'm so trained to squat when I pee that my brain *can't* believe that I'm not actually peeing down my legs when I use it.  I still have to check every time afterwards to make sure I didn't; no mishaps.  I also have more empathy for guys with making sure you don't hit a hard surface that causes splash back from so far up. ;)

From reading the reviews, it might be better than the gogirl since it's hard plastic and no risk of it folding:
https://www.amazon.com/pStyle/dp/B07CRSDWR3

A couple of weeks before the PDC started, Coco sent me links to three different contraptions on amazon.   I added a fourth.  And most of the women here before the PDC tried them, talked about them and in the end, there appeared to be one that was way out ahead of the others.  

The three loosers were all floppy and featured a small hole for the urine to get out of.  They appeared to be something designed for the novelty of creating a certain kind of stream rather than anything else.   With such a small hole, urine would back up and make a huge mess.    A pair of scissors made the hole bigger, but it was still messy.

Everybody was a bit reluctant for the one that ended up the clear winner.  We called it "the trough style".  Coco says it looks like a spoon and she was concerned that it would be a big, messy, splashback disaster.   But Coco tried it and said it worked far better than expected and far better than the others.

All of the women that tried it also commented on how well it could do a bit of "squeegee" action for the finale.  

One last point - there were a lot of different colors.   All of the women here were dead set against the flesh colors.  In the end black was the favorite because it seemed to lend to the most discretion.  There is a teal that is kinda close to the color of blue jeans that was the runner up.  Bright colors seems to include the message "hey everybody, look at this!"




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We ordered a bunch more of these for the PDC and ATC.  I think we will sterilize them and keep them in stock for future events.  

(we had some disussion of sterilization - maybe a bath in a bowl of water that has been boiled.   About ten minutes.  And then pop them into a ziplock bag (we have a pile of ziplock bags that have already been used and are seeking a new function)).

One of the PDC attendees, Jennifer, has been great about distribution and education.  Apparently there is one woman that is not interested in any of the contraptions or peeing outside in general.  Maybe she will change her mind in a few years - at her own pace.   But I am impressed at the women here that not only jumped on this, but are willing to be so open about their reviews.  As I write it is raining here.   And our jungles are at full speed ahead.   The perfect time to add a bit of this type of fertilizer all over.  

Paul, that's the one I have and use. It is great! Agree with all the comments from PDC participants. When carrying it, I stick it in an old ankle sock in my pack pocket. Allows it to dry completely between uses but protects my pack just in case.

Sonja Draven wrote:Paul, that's the one I have and use. It is great! Agree with all the comments from PDC participants. When carrying it, I stick it in an old ankle sock in my pack pocket. Allows it to dry completely between uses but protects my pack just in case.

I was reading your review above.  

Normally, I avoid this thread because it feels ...  inappropriate (?) .... to be involved here.   But I find myself answering a lot of questions from women that fall into this space, so I suppose I should work to be appropriately savvy.  

Along those lines:  while this is a topic that most women don't talk about amongst each other, the information about how a lot of women have radically different experiences, mostly because of radically different equipment, doesn't get shared.   So if one woman shares she has great success, another woman will feel deep shame that she does not.  So I do wish to add emphasis that different women are equipped differently.   And to be far too blunt:  I think 90% of it is about inner labia.   Inner labia assist in having a tidy experience.   And some women have nearly zero inner labia - which leads to a rather messy experience.  At the same time, the reverse can sometimes be the case.  

This contraption appears to solve everything.  If a woman has inner labia to make the old fashioned squat work, they still face the needs for privacy and tidying up after.   And the contraption fits the bill for both.  

We had about an hour discussion of trying to come up with a portable screen that would allow for privacy and good place to sit, but at the end of the conversation we agreed that that actually trades one problem for a different problem.   Whereas these devices pretty much solve everything.  Well, everything except maintaining the image of "I never pee."  

Thank you for this information. This thing (she-wee?) looks very useful to me, because I like long bicycle trips. Until now I had to find a spot in the woods where I could squat out of sight, but often it takes a lot of time to find such a spot.
I hope this thing will be sold in outdoor sports shops.

Paul, I agree that that one is the best, by far.

I use an automotive funnel, mainly because I want to collect the urine in an old milk jug. The spout is longer and thus easy to put into the mouth of a jug. The funnel hiole is large enough so as to not restrict the flow. Too small a hole and you get back up & a wet mess. And as a plus, automotive funnels are cheap enough to own several and have them stashed in various spots around the farm. No need to run back to the house several times a day.

Because I'm getting up there in years, my knees don't take to squating anymore. So being able to stand to urinate is a blessing.

And like others, I hate to waste a good resource. Urine is part of my fertilize scheme.

Oh by the way, I handed out automotive funnels to the women firefighters in my area. It's an item they can hang from their suit without it offending anyone. The fires suits they wear are not friendly for women to use, so the funnels solve a big problem for them.

Sadly, you are right about the shame factor, Paul. Women in particular are shamed around our bodies. I was appalled when I saw ads for cosmetic surgery for lady parts... An area we have absolutely no impact on the basic shape of and therefore shouldn't feel badly about imo.

I am grateful to have a lot of women in my life to share pretty freely with. We discuss pads, menstrual cups, the pill, tampons, and most recently this funnel.  Nothing works for all of us but it's nice to have suggestions from others so we don't feel so alone or helpless. We may like to just be heard sometimes but fixing it is so nice!

I get where you're coming from, but imo men can have great suggestions too.  I learn so much from my brothers and am regularly grateful for their input on many topics.  Like, now that we can all pee standing up ;), any tips for peeing on packed dirt to not get it all over our feet?

Su, love the funnel idea too especially the open carry result.

I just want to emphasize how much better the rigid plastic device is. We found that with the floppy ones, we had to pull our pants down to our thighs at least in order to get them in place. With rigid plastic, you can merely unzip (or loosen a drawstring waistband) and push it in there without the plastic deforming and becoming useless. So from the back, you are completely covered by your clothing, and from the front you get a lot of coverage from the device. So you don’t have to worry about someone coming around a corner while everything is hanging out. If you have tried silicone ones and rejected them, I suggest giving the rigid trough style a shot.

Su Ba wrote:...
I use an automotive funnel, ...

If I understand you well, Su Ba, it's something I can buy for cheap at a shop for car stuff (like at the gas station)? Do you use it just like that, or you make some adjustments?

paul wheaton wrote:
Everybody was a bit reluctant for the one that ended up the clear winner.  We called it "the trough style".  Coco says it looks like a spoon and she was concerned that it would be a big, messy, splashback disaster.   But Coco tried it and said it worked far better than expected and far better than the others.  

One last point - there were a lot of different colors.   All of the women here were dead set against the flesh colors.  In the end black was the favorite because it seemed to lend to the most discretion.  There is a teal that is kinda close to the color of blue jeans that was the runner up.  Bright colors seems to include the message "hey everybody, look at this!"



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It's true I didn't like the look of it.... I called it the "trough spoon" And Yes I didn't wait to try it..... But I will have to say for being a lady that don't like to pee outside.. I do now.
I like the turquoise Color. :)

I have a pStyle.  It's been very practical at times.  It didn't come with a handy case, though, like the Shewee does.  I'll have to buy or make a custom pouch for it, rather than the less-than-desirable clear plastic baggie that I currently use for it.

Emily, I just stick mine in a clean sock. Works great, breathes, etc