women peeing outdoors

Funny, the Hebrews were instructed to carry a trowel with them to cover their poop.

My solution is to insert a commode bucket (with lid) into the toilet bowl.
It takes about a day for two of us to fill and we empty on the compost pile.
No mess. No drama. No awkwardness.

Group B here. 🙋🏼‍♀️ My farm is extremely private and I've got zero issues about peeing outside. I started the first 20 some odd years of life gallivanting around the countryside on my horse, leaving home after breakfast and usually returning well after dinner. Peeing outside was just how it was done or I couldn't have peed at all. I never understood why girls needed trees or trucks or things to lean on to squat and pee. Seemed the most natural thing to me. Messy only became an issue if there were only hard surfaces to pee on... boots helped.

When I moved to my current property there was absolutely nothing here but green space. I spent the first couple months in a tent, a few in an old camper with a nonfunctional bathroom and then moved into my micro home that a friend insisted on building for me. (He seemed overly concerned about me freezing to death in the camper through the winter months). I do recall being grateful for my new, indoor composting toilet after squatting in deep snow and few times!

I've been here for two years now and while I do pee inside, I don't necessarily GO INSIDE to pee.

I also have the pStyle and found it to be a hit & miss.  If my urine flow is heavy, the liquid comes gushing out and just overflows the pStyle making a big mess.  When my flow is lighter, pStyle works fine.  pStyle appears to only come in one standard size.  I guess I'd have to practice kegel exercises to get better control of my flow if I really wanted this device to work.  

The one benefit that works all the time is the nice squeegee effect that can be accomplished at the end of each pee session; thus reducing the need for toilet tissue for the dry off.  

I love my She Wee. It not only comes in handy when I am out.  It also came in handy when I had surgery and bending/sitting was challenging.  The key, if you get one, is to practice using it indoors so that
you do not have any mishaps outdoors.

I am old and worked in the woods all my life. So, I peed outside, every day. I don't even know why there is a conversation about it. Just do it. And, once many years ago, I was building a canoe in a hay mow and wondered if I could stand up and pee out the loft doors without having to climb down the ladder. I stood in the door, laid one hand flat on the skin each side of my pelvis, never touching any sensitive places, gently stretched the skin out and up, and shot a straight stream of pee forward and out of the barn. Now, I could direct my pee and stand up. That said, I still prefer to squat, because I love staying in that squat position for awhile and studying the micro life all around me - especially when there is a breeze.

I live in a tinyhouse with no indoor washroom. I simultaneously love and hate the fact that we did not put in a toilet. It's kind of like how you grumble about having to pull on your coat at midnight to walk an aging incontinent dog and then sigh with gratitude as you step out into a beautiful moonlit night that you would otherwise have missed. What I love - visiting nature several times a day and night instead of staying inside for hours on end, feeling my knees and my back and my haunches stretch out in order to squat, getting down near the ground several times a day and looking at weeds, grass, bugs while i pee, feeling the cool air on my nether parts -its refreshing!, and just plain being free of the mechanical toilet contraption with its wasteful water use...no flushing sounds and running water noises, instead - peaceful outdoor breezes. What I don't like, sometimes I forget and am wearing a poncho or some other flowy garment that gets into the pee stream. Its a drag but hey. Its just peee. It full of all kinds of positive traits. When its blizzarding outside I use a potty and then put it on the garden or compost the next day. It's so GOOD for the garden. I am not one of the 'let it dry' people though. I find I get smelly. So I carry toilet paper with me and throw it in the woodstove after or just put it in the house compost. I have never noticed it smelling up the house in the garbage or compost. Not at all.
If you can lean into the pros, some of those uncomfortable feelings will gradually fade. Allow your domestication to be challenged. Let your heart be wild. Let your pee go free.

I'm a bloke, so probably shouldn't be posting in this thread - sorry.

While I certainly have zero issue with people of all genders peeing outside, I have read that many of you fine female peoples take toilet paper with you. Would taking a small face towel not be better/greener?

Yes, I know toilet paper composts nicely, but it's (in my warperd mind at least) a huge polluter in its manufacture and distribution. We haven't used toilet paper for years, at home or out in the wilderness. We use face towels for both numbers (1 & 2) that are then boil washed and resused. We also have the advantage of being in Thailand where 'bum guns' are the norm and derriers are clean!

I wonder if there is a thread on nasty, un-green toilet paper already...?

Emerson White wrote:It is not sterile. Blood is sterile inside your veins (mostly), but anything that opens to the outside world (other than your urinary tract is unlikely to be sterile, that's why TSS happen, Staph. naturally living in the body feeds off the blood in the tampon and populations build to massive levels over the course of 12 hours and the toxins produced go in through the mucus membrane. Incidentally everyone is constantly shedding retroviruses, even in their blood. They are everywhere, its best to avoid sharing bodily fluids with too many people.

Milk jugs work. We had a older man rent our trailer he would use old milk jugs only he was to lazy to empty them and it stunk up our trailer. He had a control problem. If your going to pee outside do it behind a building or with plenty of bushes around or use a milk jug inside then carry it outside to dump it on your garden. That way you don't have to worry about neighbors seeing you.

I'm a lady and pee outside almost exclusively. I originally either used nothing or leaves (burdock is great) and just cleaned up at night. Now I use a squeeze bottle from walgreens that is for a nasal rinse, but it works great to rinse off each time.
https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-squeeze-nasal-wash-kit-with-refills1.0/ID=prod6363069-product

Use a bucket of empty milk jug they are free. Gals can use a female adaptor funnel.

This is one way that I'm not very 'permie' I'm afraid. I consider it a step into wild animal craziness to use the public toilet at the den of iniquity we call Wal-Mart....which is kind of ridiculous as our ancestors certainly peed in the woods for eons prior to porcelain bowls and paper. I've read that the martial arts 'horse stance' is the best way to get a steady stream that doesn't go all over the place if you are a gal, which is prob the #1 issue for women with this. I've heard a lot of people who travel to Mexico cannot figure out how to use the squat toilets without said issue. Horse stance seems to be the solution.

I tried the "SheWee" domahicky thingy and apparently my "flow" is far too much for these units.  They say to practice in the shower, and I have, over and over... nope, pee all over my hand, and had I been wearing clothing, it would have been a mess.

If modesty is an issue, wear a skirt, otherwise, drop, squat and pee; for those of us getting older, I am not adverse to having a sturdy branch to hold on to out front.  I guess one could theoretically have strategically placed five gallon pails with the "camping toilet seat attachment" if you want to invest the $30, and just empty when done in an appropriate location.

And yes, I have penis envy, when it comes to toileting, huge envy for those who can "shake it off"!  Because no matter how a woman urinates, she pretty much always needs something absorbent to wipe with to avoid damp undies; that whole "shake your booty" thing just does not seem to work with female anatomy.

Menstruation is easy, I got "fixed" and no longer need to deal with THAT nonsense stealing weeks out of my life every month, causing horrendous pain and sucking my iron!

Not outdoors but live on TV:



I came across this decades ago. There is even one where
she writes her name in the snow.

I reckon there is an opportunity to design a beverage container/tetrapak/milk carton
that would open up into something like this ........

A half-litre container should do the trick.

I have the She-wee and it's great. The one I bought came with an extra extender pipe which is good for if you're on a surface that doesn't soak it up quickly, to avoid pee on shoes. It also came with a waterproof case so it's perfect for popping it back in your bag.

I mainly got it because of medical issues - squatting is just not an option for me, and it's great for days where I am mostly bed-bound and can't walk to the bathroom

Great for tool for the gals. I always pee'ed and pooped outdoors ever since I was a kid.

Milk jug can be tricky for a woman to pee into. Skitter on over to your town's laundromat and get a discarded detergent bottle. You can pull out that inner spout, and have a nice bottle with a handle and a cap that also has a much bigger target area than a milk jug.  

There is a very useful device (like a tiny latex penis) that you can use standing up. No drips, no mess and No squatting over an anthill (believe me, I’ve been there). Called a female urination device or female urinal, can find on Amazon about $10

Firmly in group B, I am, says the mama yoda. I lived in a camper for about 5 years, and became especially fond of having folks over for an evening of fun, a major joy of which was the ability to be in an active conversation, walk 6 feet to the back of the camper, pull down my panties under my skirt, insert a big old 7-11 plastic cup between my legs, pee and pull off a scrap of TP at the same time with my 2 free hands, pull out the cup, wipe and pull up my panties, pour pee into a gallon jug for later distribution around the camper (to ward off wildlife and share the URinCharge) and return to my seat with absolutely no mention or excuses for the process having happened while I was conducting a conversation. It was glorious! If I didn’t happen to be wearing a long skirt, I would just pull one on for the process and then take it off afterwards, again without warning or excuse. It was a great way to have an open conversation (almost as good as a rousing game of truth or dare ;o) and is just as good as peeing in public while in a conversation with strangers, which I did a few weeks ago at the local Portland AIDS pseudo-convention. I was wearing a sarong on the bottom and strolled with my conversational partners (strangers minutes before) to a greenish patch, where I sat, peed, and got up again. That time I warned that I would be peeing, and they were so cool as to “stand guard” around me and make it look less like a lady was sitting on the grasspatch to charge it (unnecessary for my sake, but sweet).
Now, it is true that I love pushing stupid societal boundaries anyway, and it’s also true that I now live in Portland, where it’s legal to be naked in permies, but I was doing this long before I was living in a place that handles the bizarre so well. As for those of you looking for an opportunity on the side of the road, here’s a tip: open 2 car doors, which gives you coverage front and back, and crouch between, with a friend on the outside if you aren’t comfortable being as outrageous as I get a kick out of being. Also, if you’re concerned about splash, you can put something on the ground below to mitigate splash, like a jug or paper towel or whatever is handy to change the splash pattern.
When I came off the road, it took a while to become house-trained again, and I have ever since been a huge fan of the female-accessible urinal, especially those awesome ceramic flower urinals by Clark Sorenson (ifitshipitshere.com and search urinal). Those aren’t actually intended for women (and Why the heck not?) but many of them could be so used. I actually have a plan in place to use a ceramics studio (a trade I made for a hat) to make my own lily urinal that can be piped to a drainage hole in the floor of my newest bathroom being remodeled. I wanted to pipe it outdoors, but my partner absolutely refused, so this is the current compromise.
When I lived in a barn for several months and we had a compost toilet on the back porch (aka a 5-gallon bucket with a toilet seat lid) we used our camper’s extra pee cup whenever possible and then sprayed it out in an arc off the back porch that eventually became the greenest spot in the yard, so yeah, dilution is a solution to pollution yet again. I also poured pee in the huge barrel under the roof’s drain spout, and it deterred the mosquitoes from laying eggs there so that open water could stay usable for watering plants. I also carried the gallon jugs of pee from the camper around the edges of a 10 acre property, sprinkling it liberally to ward off a local pack of poorly contained dogs. Usefull stuff, that pee!
It’s a natural resource that is free and largely both under-utilized and mis-utilized in our society, and I’m grateful to Paul for getting it out there to discuss and upgrade!
As for the gadgets, if they were free and handy, I’d use them, but they are, imo, nice not necessary, and I need to pee way more often than I could possibly drag some funnel around for handily whipping out. A fluffy skirt or sarong is way more handy, imo, and for those of us who love underwear, it can totally be pulled aside without having to come down, in a pinch. Yes, your panties will be slightly damp from not wiping, but isn’t that what panties, and the frequent changing thereof, are for??
For anyone who has further questions on the subject, I can be reached at shortfolk dot com, and I welcome conversations on this and many other “scary” social issues, like talking about public nudity, and how I think all world negotiations should be thereby conducted. Happy pee-ing, folks, and remember, that’s permaculture! ;o) You're in charge=urinecharge=URinCharge

During Covid and the toilet paper shortage I bought a lot of small baby wash clothes! I have hardly bought toilet paper since except for doing the other business end! I have a small bucket to put the used baby wash clothes in. Then they get washed and hung on the line. I also use a small 1 gallon bucket indoors or out and I sit it on a squatty potty that sit at the base of the 5 gallon compost toilet buckets, so then I don’t have to squat so low. I have used pine pellets in it to keep it from being smelly after a couple of days. I usually use the pine pellets for my company. You can pee in a bucket of pine pellets (used for horses, I believe) for 3-4 days with no odor!! Then I add water for dilution, take them out and empty them around my blueberries or other trees and bushes as a mulch. So I go inside and outside depending on if my composting toilets/buckets are inside or on the porch of my small cabins around my property. We have 5 gallon buckets for poo with a squatty potty at the bottom of each and a small 1 gallon bucket for pee. I have used the she-wee but often forget to take it with me when needed. It has worked well for me when I remember it so I don’t have to pull it all down and get cold!

Technically, I fit squarely in Group A: The pleasure of peeing in a comfortable setting, with thick TP is a barrier I won't breach.... Unless I absolutely have to.
Age has certain disadvantages, chief among them a temperamental bladder... and at 73 and lame, I can't run, so I have to find a sheltered spot and squat uncomfortably, sometimes over wet grass, with no TP handy.
So I built a small privy [probably illegal, of course] with all the comforts, which is next to the garden. [I plan to move it when there is enough good soil in there to plant a tree.]
But what about when I'm by the coop? Too far to reach home or the privy. My best position is halfway sitting on the UTV wheel or the lawnmower wheel, or an horizontal log [if it is dry], or resting with my back to a tree or a building, extend my legs forward [I don't care for wet jean legs!] and push. I shake my bootie until any annoying droplet is dropped.
Extending your legs forward insures that you won't pee your pantlegs. [There is an art to the practice. Don't let anyone tell you different.]
As for "the hat", I don't own one of those, and I suspect that if I had one, I would feel goofy carrying one around anyway, [imagine fielding questions on that one!] anymore than I carry a roll of TP.
Elsewhere in a similar thread, someone mentioned that when doing #2, most women also do #1. That's true. If I feel a #2 coming, I will rush home or to the garden privy. Standing up with maybe some poop caught between my cheeks is something I just could not do. It is bad enough when hubby uses the last sheet, forgets to install a new roll and I'm literally "caught with my pants down" as the expression goes.
We have a septic that must be emptied by law every 3 years, and it is only hubby and I, so the amount of pee or humanure would not be worth it anyway. He pees outside but is afraid to poop anywhere else than at home. Public toilets, not for him.
Another thing about voiding outside: Remember that you are a predator to most critters. If you are *also* a hunter, you might want to take care of your needs inside... Unless you want to scare them away from your favorite trees, in which case carrying your poop to the base of your trees is definitely worth it!

I gained experience peeing outside while I went with hubby assisting on diesel engine jobs on oil rigs.

Wearing FR coverall, not the easiest thing for getting off and back on easily.

I nabbed a small funnel that looks remarkably like a shewee from a automotive parts store and that worked a treat.

My main objection is not being able to dry myself properly (and by properly i just mean to my own satisfaction).

But I can and will drop and squat when and when I need to when required. I found a way of balancing on the foot board
of our one ton on the side of the road such that no one can see me. lol

Oh and hubby just instructed me to begin a bag of rags for wiping. We have used small washcloths.
It's not that hard for us and he figures one less necessity (toilet paper).

I think this is a good subject; I don't know WHY its taboo; EVERYONE pees.

I put the winner of the test on my Amazon wish list.

And ya know, I never realized just how non-user friendly the  full on fire suits are for firefighters; the automotive funnels  would help hat out; and, that would go for both men and women, actually...

It's called....

Pee, as you would, but just outside, without a toilet.

No?

Megan Elizabeth wrote:It's called....
Pee, as you would, but just outside, without a toilet.
No?

Age brings with it a few vicissitudes, like having to pee but not being able to make it all the way to the house. What's a girl to do? Thank goodness, we can't be seen from the road and do not have backyard neighbors nearby. I just drop my drawers and lean/sit against a wheel of the 4-wheeler. I just don't care for the lack of dryness afterwards, so I took to carrying a Scott's towel that I can finish the paperwork with. It's big and very absorbent, so I can just fold it and bring it home and drop it in the wastebasket.
I should say it is only here that I see such a prude habit that we are not supposed to urinate outside. In Europe, I've seen many men [not women, though] pee alongside the road. They just turn away to not face the public and take care of business. We can all just turn away. No big deal.
I remember in Bruxelles a man, passably drunk, doing his business in a corner of the wall and a group of ladies walking by. Surprised, he turned around suddenly, mid stream so to peak, and showed all his wares. The ladies were all outraged and one said: "The least he could do is turn around!"
They were not so much upset that he would urinate on the public square but that he would not have the decency to hide his wares while doing it. Many humans have hang ups about urinating and being seen, but it is a part of life.

L Anderson wrote:For those with the sideways problem, you might try this (gravity is your friend). Squat as far as comfortable (wide stance is more important than really deep squats). Bend from the waist, pushing your butt back and up.  Yes, up.  You are approaching peeing upside down.  You want you pee to flow from the tip, so to speak.  Try not to power pee.  
If that doesn’t keep the pee where it belongs, try shifting one hip upwards (but don’t fall down).  If that doesn’t work, don’t give up until you try shifting the other hip up.  
That’s all I got.  But, with my butt in the air, I can pee on a dime.

This! I have trouble squatting and balance issues, plus I'm larger built and things are a bit saggy down there. Peeing away from a toilet can be messy. Not a problem in our future retirement homestead in Bulgaria, I just use a bucket-style sit-down camping toilet and empty it on the compost heap daily. But the bus station toilets in the towns nearest are all squat toilets. I just cannot hold on long enough to avoid using them, especially when getting to the airport involves a four-hour-long three-bus-ride journey. Unless I walk to a cafe and buy a cup of coffee so I can use their toilets, the squat toilets are the only option.

I tried using a female urination device, like a soft silicone SheWee but cheaper. It worked, but I didn't like carrying around a used device in my bag. So after reading this thread earlier this year, I tried this, instead.  The leaning forward, butt-in-the-air, almost peeing backwards stance works great for me! I can brace my arms against my thighs to balance, I don't need to get into a deep squat that makes my knees scream, and I can aim perfectly for that little hole in the floor. Best of all, the posture opens everything up so there's no problem with sideways spray or pee going where it shouldn't.

Can I add thought and question for those of us living in frozen snowy world for 6 months.  A couple issues.  We lived without an inside toilet for two winters but the path to pee on gets gross when you have 6 people peeing outside.  It’s very obvious.  Not sure if the solution is to make more paths but in -40 you don’t want to go too far to pee.  Most of the time the kids run out without a jacket.  But my question is is it even helpful for plants if we peed on them specifically as then their snow cover is frozen and they are not as protected from the elements without the big snow layer?  Any way to make it less of a visible eyesore?   Currently we have a composting toilet and pee goes into greywell.  So no longer an issure for us.  But just wanted to add this to discussion and thoughts if we want to make it more appealing to a wider audience.

I was reading on here, and remembered something from a trip to India in the 1970's; our hosts had a small, tiled room with a raised slot/hole in the floor.  One would squat over it and do whatever business.  There was a small enamel teapot or kettle on the floor nearby, with water in it; one was supposed to rinse with that.  After a little practice it worked fine.  Maybe a similar water receptacle, or even a small plastic watering can with the spout-type end, would work.  (If you leave this outside all the time, you may wish to check it before use, for "guests"...). Just some thoughts.

There is also a nifty plastic squeeze bottle with a tilted squirt head, I think it is for post surgical perineal/anal cleaning; you could use that in a backpack or when camping.

I love peeing outside. It makes me feel like a savage. Pull up a little, and shoot. I can even do it standing up.

Paul: I’d just add to this thread that a squatting position is much healthier way for both sexes to relieve themselves as it helps with pelvic floor musculature. However lots of folks don’t have the joints for it. Also, when you’re too chubby it’s problematic. I am fortunate enough to be able to and have no qualms about outdoor peeing myself.

Throughout high school and college my best friend and I would compete to see who could "pop a squat" in the weirdest places, we both peed in some crazy spots to be sure.  I put that aside though in my early 20s and didn't pick it up again until my late 20s, and when I chose to pee outdoors again it felt so liberating, like things were shifting back into place for me, sounds silly but its true.  As I've gotten older though (in my late 30s now) I can't quite bend my body the way I used to, so admittedly peeing outdoors has become more challenging, but I still do it overnight when camping so as to not have to actually _go to the bathroom.  So yeah, things don't go as smoothly as they used to, but I haven't broken down and bought an aid yet.  I'm putting that off as long as possible, because I'm strangely proud of peeing out of doors.