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Dan Grubbs wrote:J Davis is correct. Tithing (meaning a tenth) was a giving back of what had been provided to an Israelite that was donated to and managed by the Levitical system. According to the New Testament, the model now is what I refer to as “free-will offering.” As JD wrote, it is a matter of what you are led to do. You may be led by the Holy Spirit to return back more or less than 10% (tithe) of what you are provided. This goes beyond gross or net income. What portion of what has God provided to you is what you consider returning back. In part, it’s a demonstration of your faith in God that He will provide. It doesn’t have to be actual money. It can be any part of what God has provided, including your talent/expertise (not referring to spiritual gifts here), something you produce, or providing for a specific need.
Now, concerning church structure. Much of what happens in many churches is based on what their “charter” or “by-laws” describe as the leadership structure. Whoever is at the top of your local hierarchy structure is where “budgetary” input is needed to be made. But, then those decisions are in the hands of those at the top of the structure. However, some churches operate where the “membership” is the top of the hierarchy and by vote, the membership can determine budgetary decisions. This is often on an annual basis. If your little church has by-laws or something similar that describes its leadership structure, get a copy and study it. Then, provide your prayerful thoughts on where budgetary allocations should be made. At the end of the day, you need to feel comfortable with working in the structure of that church. If not, then you have a choice to make.
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R. Steele wrote:Hi Elle,
If the Church isn't doing their duty, taking care of the closest needy, or the sheep of that flock, before helping others abroad; then what you give to those needy close by, and what you give as special gifts, counts as service to the Most High: of course keeping in mind, not to do these things to receive praise from other people, but rather to Glorify the goodness of the Most High.
elle sagenev wrote:Thanks all. I feel like it kind of goes against the spirit of the whole thing. It's supposed to be about faith, right? A show of faith. So I feel like when we do it how I want instead of just giving the money it's not a real show of faith. At the same time, crap needs done man and we will have the money to do it so....
gray area, I feel.
Jd
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Travis Johnson wrote:
Nothing, that too is spelled out in Second Timothy where it says even if we fail, God is still faithful to his promises, and will take care of us. But good gracious, when God is so loving and faithful, who would want to keep it? You cannot out-give God, and he even says in Malachi..."test me on this", which is the only plac in the bible he says to do that. So the real question is not how much do you give...0%, 10%, 20%...net or gross income, but what do you want to be blessed with? 10 fold on the net, or ten fold on the gross, or ten fold on the 1%, or ten fold on the 20%? The point again is, you cannot out-give God.
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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"The rule of no realm is mine. But all worthy things that are in peril as the world now stands, these are my care. And for my part, I shall not wholly fail in my task if anything that passes through this night can still grow fairer or bear fruit and flower again in days to come. For I too am a steward. Did you not know?" Gandolf
elle sagenev wrote:
Travis Johnson wrote:
Nothing, that too is spelled out in Second Timothy where it says even if we fail, God is still faithful to his promises, and will take care of us. But good gracious, when God is so loving and faithful, who would want to keep it? You cannot out-give God, and he even says in Malachi..."test me on this", which is the only plac in the bible he says to do that. So the real question is not how much do you give...0%, 10%, 20%...net or gross income, but what do you want to be blessed with? 10 fold on the net, or ten fold on the gross, or ten fold on the 1%, or ten fold on the 20%? The point again is, you cannot out-give God.
I don't know that I really want anything back from God. He seems to take care of us without us deserving it anyway. I think it's a show of appreciation for what he has given us. Plus husband does the budget so I don't see the money go anyway. lol
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