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I am confused now. I used to be able to post to the Cider Press, now I can't. Did I lose an apple and was not informed of it, or did the required number of apples change?

I see it now -- my wrong-way driver post got two apple cores. Although that, too, confuses me -- I posted it to the Cider Press originally, and then it got moved to "tinkering with this site," which I didn't think was the right place for it. I hope the apple cores were not for posting it to an inappropriate forum, since it is not in the forum where I originally posted it.
 
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It's called the cider press because people often loose apples there.  
 
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As for moving, we often have reasons why a thread fits better in one forum or another.  Some of the reasons are public like an effort to improve the love Google has for our site.  Other reasons are secret and involve aspects of Paul's devious plot for world domination. ops, I've said too much!
 
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Jason Hernandez wrote:I am confused now. I used to be able to post to the Cider Press, now I can't. Did I lose an apple and was not informed of it, or did the required number of apples change?



I'm pretty sure that people don't get email notifications of apple cores. They just happen on posts.

Jason Hernandez wrote:I see it now -- my wrong-way driver post got two apple cores. Although that, too, confuses me -- I posted it to the Cider Press originally, and then it got moved to "tinkering with this site," which I didn't think was the right place for it. I hope the apple cores were not for posting it to an inappropriate forum, since it is not in the forum where I originally posted it.



Sometimes, if we feel someone is not ready to be in the Cider Press, some apples are taken away. Your post was pretty much telling people how they should write and should think, and a bunch of other things that kind of go against our publishing standards. Instead of deleting the post, we moved it to tinkering to better explain what our standards are. You're right that controversial subjects do go in the Cider Press, and it was good that you posted it there vs the main forum. BUT, when the post is controversial about how people should participate on permies, it goes in Tinkering.

Sometimes it takes people a while to figure out our forum, and that's okay! I'm pretty sure I earned an apple core in The Cider Press, too. I know I got posts deleted and on probation. But, I'm thankful for pernies in helping me be nicer. I've actually applied many of the conversation tactics I've learned here on permies in real life, and it's really helped. It looks like you're learning, too, and hopefully you'll soon have your apples back so you can post in The Cider Press again!
 
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At any given time, there's about 40 volunteers that manage these forums.  They all have the ability to give (or take) apples, delete posts or put them on probation and a long list of other tools.   For most people, it doesn't matter - they post away and everything is always silky smooth.  And then some people have language habits that seem to .... attract the attention of some of our volunteer moderators.  

Some people write ten posts and end up with 15 apples.  

Some people write a thousand posts and end up with 2 apples.  

I guess the point I am trying to make is that for every post any person writes, it needs to pass the comfort zone of about 40 volunteer moderators.  I need to emphasize the word "volunteer" - because along with them getting zero pay for what they are doing, they have also been through zero formal training.  I suppose that if we had some massive budget, we could do this a different way.  Oh well.

This thread is about the publishing standards for this site.  And the next level to consider is that the publishing standards are interpreted by a bunch of volunteers.  So any edge case will probably be fine for half the staff, worrisome for many and will be deleted (or put on probation, or given an apple core) by one.  

In the cider press, somebody can say some political or religious thing and somebody on staff will (appropriately or inappropriately) read it as a violation of the publishing standards and delete or give out apple cores.   There have been times that I have posted to the cider press and somebody on staff gave ME apple cores.   Therefore, I suggest that if you choose to post to the cider press, you might want to choose your words especially carefully.  


 
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I'm really impressed with the copywriter respect feature and the time spent by the moderators and staff to double check when someone like me goofs and posts something that ends up not being a legitimate distribution.  The reaction time seemed immediate, and I don't think anyone's being paid.  Thanks.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:

I need to emphasize the word "volunteer" - because along with them getting zero pay for what they are doing, they have also been through zero formal training.  



I'm so thankful for the incredible work the moderators on this forum do!!

 

paul wheaton wrote: There have been times that I have posted to the cider press and somebody on staff gave ME apple cores.   Therefore, I suggest that if you choose to post to the cider press, you might want to choose your words especially carefully.  



OMG, that is so funny! Thank you so much for sharing this.

As someone who's perhaps a bit neurotic about not hurting or upsetting anyone it is so liberating to hear that we're all human

Thank you again, Paul and all the other staff, for all that you do. You're F*CKING AWESOME!
 
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I must add how much I love this thread and the permies.com publishing standards!

Thanks to permies I think I'm now much better at being nice, which is what I've always wanted to be. There's still a lot to learn, but I'm learning every day here, thanks for letting me practise! What better way to practise than on this subject we all love so much, permaculture. Learn about permaculture AND communication, at the same time, I can't think of anything more interesting. And it's all FREE. I'm in awe when I think about it.

 
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This is so impressive to me.  If anyone ever questions the choices made on keeping the site clear of potential trouble:

paul wheaton wrote:

In the cider press, somebody can say some political or religious thing and somebody on staff will (appropriately or inappropriately) read it as a violation of the publishing standards and delete or give out apple cores.   There have been times that I have posted to the cider press and somebody on staff gave ME apple cores.   Therefore, I suggest that if you choose to post to the cider press, you might want to choose your words especially carefully.  




This sums it up.  No one is above the rules. Even the Site Ruler! The high standards here are why I very seldon bother going to any other forum and I thank you for it.
 
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I have noted in the past that "common property" is often very poorly maintained and can become a dumping ground because it doesn't belong to anybody in particular.  Unless there is a person identified as responsible for it, usually no one takes the responsibility.  

This is Pauls site, not mine and not 'common property'.  He gets to make the rules here, simply because it's his site.  This is just common sense.  If I come to your house, even if I hang out there a lot, I don't have the right to remodel it or demand that you remodel it.  If I do, I am being presumptuous and rude, and in some circles am deserving of a whuppin'.  

Try going to Vegas and arguing against house rules.   I'll probably read about you in the paper if you get too loud and insistant.  That's what the publishing standards of this site are, the house rules.

I don't always agree with the publishing standards of this site, but the purpose of this site is not to agree with my tender sensibliities.  It is to provide a forum for discussions, to be moderated by the rules set up by the house.  Play or put your cards down and go to another establishment.

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