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Hyperbole on both sides seems to be the biggest hurdle to a productive discussion
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Ashley Cottonwood wrote:
I would like to be able to share information and ideas without getting my head torn off and starting a screaming match.......Aren't we all trying to make the world a better place?
“The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe.”― Albert Einstein
Laura Emil wrote: This decision should be VOLUNTARY, not mandatory.
Idle dreamer
John Weiland wrote: Vaccination is a band-aid against the natural selection that would normally be acting on the human population.
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Tyler Ludens wrote:
John Weiland wrote: Vaccination is a band-aid against the natural selection that would normally be acting on the human population.
Human technology has enabled us to avoid a lot of "natural selection." Technology is human, part of what makes us Homo sapiens sapiens. Where do we draw the line on what is "natural"? Paleolithic? Neolithic? Civilization? Industrial? Space Age? ?
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Meg Mitchell wrote: This whole thing really started to go downhill when we discovered fire and learned to talk. :P
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Tyler Ludens wrote:
Laura Emil wrote: This decision should be VOLUNTARY, not mandatory.
I don't have a problem with that as long as people who have not been immunized do not go among the rest of the "herd" but stay off on their own, not part of society. Society as a whole has agreed to herd immunity, to prevent illness and death from disease and to protect those who are immunocompromized (such as my husband who has leukemia). Those who do not agree to society's standards may enjoy living outside of society. That is their voluntary decision.
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Tyler Ludens wrote:I don't have a problem with that as long as people who have not been immunized do not go among the rest of the "herd" but stay off on their own, not part of society.
'Every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain.'
I agree wholeheartedly. Make it part of school enrolment. I was given a choice when I went to Kenya. Get vaccinated for yellow fever and we will let you in. Sounds reasonable. So I did. Stacks of dead visitors are bad for business. When they put the railway from Uganda to the coast, the British lost about 75% of their men to disease.Tyler Ludens wrote:
Laura Emil wrote: This decision should be VOLUNTARY, not mandatory.
I don't have a problem with that as long as people who have not been immunized do not go among the rest of the "herd" but stay off on their own, not part of society. Society as a whole has agreed to herd immunity, to prevent illness and death from disease and to protect those who are immunocompromized (such as my husband who has leukemia). Those who do not agree to society's standards may enjoy living outside of society. That is their voluntary decision.
Dale Hodgins wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly. Make it part of school enrolment. I was given a choice when I went to Kenya. Get vaccinated for yellow fever and we will let you in. Sounds reasonable. So I did. Stacks of dead visitors are bad for business. When they put the railway from Uganda to the coast, the British lost about 75% of their men to disease.Tyler Ludens wrote:
Laura Emil wrote: This decision should be VOLUNTARY, not mandatory.
I don't have a problem with that as long as people who have not been immunized do not go among the rest of the "herd" but stay off on their own, not part of society. Society as a whole has agreed to herd immunity, to prevent illness and death from disease and to protect those who are immunocompromized (such as my husband who has leukemia). Those who do not agree to society's standards may enjoy living outside of society. That is their voluntary decision.
The majority of visitors now return home healthy. I avoided tetsi fly areas, and crocodiles, since they can't vaccinate against everything.
'Theoretically this level of creeping Orwellian dynamics should ramp up our awareness, but what happens instead is that each alert becomes less and less effective because we're incredibly stupid.' - Jerry Holkins
Ashley Cottonwood wrote:1) Andrew Wakefield Study
Has anyone actually read the original study? I can't seem to get my hands on the original study. Why is this important? Because all I hear about the study only through second or third hand account of the information contained in the study.
I've 'heard' that his research was actually into the correlation between autism and gastrointestinal disorders and that in his discussion section (not his results) he hypothesizes that one of the influences for these gastro issues is linked to vaccination and recommends further research.
"We did not prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described."
"12 children (mean age 6 years [range 3–10], 11 boys)"
"In eight children, the onset of behavioural problems had been linked, either by the parents or by the child's physician, with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination."
"We did not prove an association between measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described."
Life on a farm is a school of patience; you can't hurry the crops or make an ox in two days.
Henri Alain
Life on a farm is a school of patience; you can't hurry the crops or make an ox in two days.
Henri Alain
stephen lowe wrote:
Medical mistakes and hospital born superbugs are statistically much more likely culprits in your eventual death (probably orders of magnitude more so for our immunocompromised compadres) than any vaccine preventable illness, and yet it is the system that creates medical mistakes and hospital born superbugs that insists it has the monopoly on medical truth and best practices. I personally find it surprising that more people aren't skeptical
My belief is that genuine research needs to be conducted and decisions about vaccination need to be voluntary. We all live in different circumstances and need to make the best choices we can identify for ourselves and our loved ones.
'Theoretically this level of creeping Orwellian dynamics should ramp up our awareness, but what happens instead is that each alert becomes less and less effective because we're incredibly stupid.' - Jerry Holkins
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