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I have moved a couple times since the start of this project. Will I be able to update my shipping address prior to the shipping of the physical DVDs?
 
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Glen Patterson wrote:I have moved a couple times since the start of this project. Will I be able to update my shipping address prior to the shipping of the physical DVDs?



Yes.  You should be able to go to kickstarter right now and update your physical address in your survey responses.
 
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Thanks for making the videos available! I downloaded Care and Feeding video and realized all the download videos are in 360p.  I'm one of those people who can see flicker in light bulbs and 360p strains my eyes and gives me a headache. I have to keep looking away from the video because it bothers my eyes.  Would you please release the download videos in a higher resolution?  I was hoping it would be in 1080p! 720p would be good!
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With lots of interruptions, I have gotten through the first one, aka the 'cob' one that also has the tipi in it. Overall very viewable, the first music interlude was okay, flow with it.... and Paul, Tisk. The salty word at 1:19:51! Overall though, a lot of good info and looking forward to watching the other three, then doing the first four (I got the digital download the first four and the second four). I think the first one I've watched, was worth the money all by itself.
 
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Rick Niemi wrote: Would you please release the download videos in a higher resolution?  I was hoping it would be in 1080p!



A similar question was asked in this thread at the beginning of the kickstarter and I responded with:

For more on this topic, see the kickstarter description section titled "DVD vs. HD Streaming vs. Digital Download" and the FAQ with the question "What resolution is the digital download and the streaming?"

The key is that there was huge piles of internal debate (and by "internal" I mean the flip-flopping that went on within myself) between offering more options and trying to reduce the total number of options. Even the idea of offering multiple options within one reward.

I'm trying to juggle a lot of variables here, including how to host, host features vs. bugs, support and being able to deliver in so many different ways. With the past DVD projects, some ways have been a real hassle and other ways a lovely walk in the park. And then there is the thing where some people get confused and ask lots and lots of questions - which leads to lots and lots of support.

So I settled on what we have listed. It was not an easy decision.  



Note that in the end we went with:

- Digital Download

- HD Streaming

- Physical DVD


And you will see that "digital download" is not "HD digital download" and "physical DVD" is not "HD physical DVD".

Note also that the size of the digital download is "SD" - also known as "Standard Definition."  The default.  The normal.  Exactly what is on TVs.  

And here is the bit from the kickstarter page:

Q:What resolution is the digital download and the streaming?

A: We are not sure of the exact, final resolution at this time. But in the past, the HD stuff has been about 8 gigs in size - too big to fit on one DVD. So we put that up for the HD streaming stuff. And for digital download, it seems that most people want stuff that will fit well on laptops and phones and stuff. So we ended up with something that was about 800 megs. I think the resolution was the same as most DVDs, but it was the more compressed MP4 format.




Here is an image to help explain it all from youtube:




When I did the 2013 kickstarter, I started with just DVDs.  Near the end we added streaming because a few people asked for it.  It didn't sell much.  

In this kickstarter, if you look at just the 4-video sets, here was the support numbers:

digital download:  490
HD streaming: 47
physical DVD: 231

I think we should have left out the HD streaming.  There seems to be not much interest in it.  

The cool thing about digital download is that people can get it quickly, it is quite viewable on a computer, tablet or phone, all four videos take up only 2.5g, and it looks perfectly sharp to me.  

I think that if you are looking at a hollywood blockbuster, it would be important to drink in every pixel of carefully crafted HD.   They had thousands of people and hundreds of millions of dollars to create that.  I think if you watch my videos in HD, most people would think it looks exactly the same as SD.

I suppose we could make more options, but every option takes a bunch more time.  If I know I am going to sell a million, then sure!  It makes damn good sense to do it!  But I suspect that I will end up investing days of time and only two people will actually buy it.  Frankly, I would rather work on new content.  

For HD streaming, I told daniel that it would be 720p.   Daniel did 1080p because he felt like it.   He took care of the extra upload time on that too.  Granted, it made the render time longer, but daniel thinks that people would appreciate it.  To me it just looks like a lot more work and expense and nothing is gained - but I guess that some people really groove on this stuff.
 
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Deb Rebel wrote: The salty word at 1:19:51!




From the kickstarter:

Q: Will this contain any nudity or F-bombs?

A:  I confess: one of my youtube videos does, indeed, have a buck naked woman in it. And my website has a few too. But I am really sure that this DVD series won't have any although the question does make me think of ways to try .... nah, there won't be any nudity. As for F-bombs, I authentically don't know. I fully enjoy "the full beauty of the English language" and some people have been trained to fear certain words. In other words, I prefer the Robin Williams school of English over the Brian Williams school of English. At the same time, I appear in less than 10% of the footage, and editors that are far better than I will be making the call on what goes in. I think if you choose to fear words, you should probably not support this kickstarter. I think if you desperately need a fix of "the full beauty of the English language" then you might need to also search elsewhere. If, on the other hand, you want to learn about rocket mass heaters and you don't care what language is used, then this kickstarter is for you! For more on this topic, I invite you to explore these two threads https://permies.com/t/37252/md/Word https://permies.com/t/12726/tnk/change

 
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Derek Troy wrote: Is there a way for me to get access to the HD streaming if I paid for the digital download?



I cannot help but think that anything I offer you will make you angry.   Already you seem angry - but it seems your anger is directed at your own choice.   And yet you are angry at me.  

I think SD is great for this sort of content.  I have looked at both 1080p and SD and they look the same to me.  So, again, I cannot help but think you will be angry about 1080p also.

But ... no problem.   Send me $40 via http://paypal.me/paulwheaton and email me your vimeo id and I will add you to each of the 8 dvds.  

 
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I think what we have in this scenario is just a classic case of group A wanting one thing, group B wanting another, and one of them being inevitably disappointed.

While I can totally understand what you mean with the resolution Derek, as a person who typically watches stuff like this on my TV/Playstation, but I think where Paul's line of thinking was with the resolution is simply that most people would be watching this on a mobile device, with a smaller screen size that we could get away with reducing the resolution on, and also keeping plenty of storage space free for the viewer.

I'm just spitballing here and could be totally wrong, but I'm guessing that the number of people watching this on a screen tablet-sized or smaller is far greater than those watching it on something like a TV or large monitor.

Perhaps next time around, we can do some polling and determine where people's priorities lie - file size versus resolution. But inevitably in a situation like this, somebody is just going to wind up unhappy (which sucks, because this DVD set positively kicks ass!). I'm just sorry you're disappointed, and hope you understand it was likely just a matter of keeping the largest number of people possible happy.

 
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Also, please feel free to review the DVDs in the official thread here!
 
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Deb Rebel wrote: The salty word at 1:19:51!



I didn't say it was bad, Paul, just spicy. I had absolutely NO problem with it. I use worse at times. I meant it lighthearted and it proves I watched...

As for the quality of view, now then, I am playing it on a 'gamer laptop' that was bought for a specific cpu chipset, and it is meant for graphics crunching and does the job well. I blew the playback up to about 70% of my 17.3" monitor, and it looks good. It doesn't show every molecule, but it is definitely watchable, goes smoothly, doesn't mud out, and I get enough detail to convey what I want and need to know (under the digital download not the vimeo stream). It may not be HD but it is pretty good looking and I could see what I needed to see clearly. Some time and effort was expended on lighting, angles, and getting worthwhile footage. During the tipi front part, there are two recording angles going, and it is obvious that Paul is talking to the one recording device and some footage comes from another, and both are good.

Someone cared about these, and it does show. Not from here but I've bought my share of instructionals and done online classes and. These are content rich, relevant footage, and informationally well worth my time to view. Heck I abuse Netflix and Amazon Prime a lot and sometimes instead of SD the latter especially will stream me a HD copy to ask me to rate it; and see if they can get me to buy a HD version of something they are currently offering for 'free' viewing with my subscription. If I was trying to learn to repair watches or electronics, I might need that much detail, HD. Most of the time SD will do the job and do it well, plus save bandwidth. Freezing an image, most anywhere, it retains enough detail to be useful.

I am very satisfied with my purchase of this set in digital download. The cob/tipi alone I feel is worth what I paid for all 8. I'm a top reviewer a few places because I'm not afraid to point out the good, the bad, the ugly, and the silly. In this case I would give the set an overall 5 of 5 rating, and a strong recommend that it's worth the money paid and then some.

In the near future I expect to embark on a build of three RMH, I have the fire book, and a set of the 6" and 8" plans. I waited when finding out these would be available and purchased firebrick, steel barrels, and have a good source of adobe mud, good sharp sand, and more; and now that these arrived, spouse and I are watching, learning, making notes and preparing next week to go play with cob and such and start learning so we can get at least two of the RMH installed by first weekend of October. The third one (major walipini) we are still collecting materials for and it has not been built yet, probably next year (two years behind schedule). I dearly wanted to come to that workshop last summer but health and finances prevented it, so this is the next best thing to having gotten to attend.

Don't worry Paul, there's a large amount of love here for these, and trust me, the other stuff I posted about thanking you and the crew, I meant it. Even if you use spicy words.
 
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Paul,

As I stated in my last post, I'm disappointed, not angry. The disappointment lies only in the video resolution, not with the you, my choices, or the video's content. Thank you for the offer however I must decline.  I appreciate the hard work you and others have done on these, but I've already spent $60 and won't spend any more on this endeavor. Take care and I hope your recovery continues.

Destiny, I agree you can't make everybody happy. Perhaps I'm a minority in watching these videos on a large HD monitor and 1080p TV. Take care.
 
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What I am getting from what you are saying is not that you need higher res, you need less flicker.  In the case of dvd upscaling we have processes that are designed to simulate higher res through treating the image so that there is less white space, or more or less something.  There are ways of doing this to files also, and they may cause some further loss in resolution, but they do upscale the video.  The responses I have seen indicate they do not make video more watchable on large screens, but they might do something you need in your case.  Try a search for "upscaling video to lose flicker".
 
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I am downloading my videos now, many thanks to all who have worked to get us to this point!!!
 
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Deb Rebel wrote:

Deb Rebel wrote:  I'm a top reviewer a few places because I'm not afraid to point out the good, the bad, the ugly, and the silly. In this case I would give the set an overall 5 of 5 rating, and a strong recommend that it's worth the money paid and then some.



Doubtless you know this Deb, but just in case someone else hasn't seen it, there is a thread specifically for reviews.  I haven't seen a frame yet, but will be on there as soon as I can.

 
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That's strange, I'm having no problems at all with flicker from the digital downloads. And trust me I'm sensitive to that stuff. What are you viewing it on, are you doing vimeo or digital download, and what are you using to watch it with?
 
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I feel like this is what I am hearing ....

During the kickstarter, the options are:

 - a little car for a little price
 - a mercedes  for a medium price
 - a hummer for a high price

People that asked for "a little car for a little price" received a prius c.  They are pissed that it is not a mercedes.  

In the meantime, I drive a prius c.  

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Further, a few weeks ago I offered all kickstarter supporters the opportunity to upgrade at the very low kickstarter prices.  Clearly, the folks that paid for SD, but want HD elected to not upgrade at a time when that could have been easily arranged.

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wouldn't it be simpler to have BOTH versions for download



scubbly charges me by the megabyte.  I think this is not a good idea.  And there are quite a few other reasons.  

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In a few days (or maybe weeks) I hope to have the HD streaming set up for direct purchase.  People will be able to go and buy that, if that's their thing.   In the meantime, I think that the SD digital download has a low price, has excellent resolution and fits comfortably on a computer, phone or tablet.  I have seen the HD version, and it looks the same to me.  

For years, the digital download of "Wood Burning Stoves 2.0" and "World Domination Gardening" has been SD.   I can't remember anybody saying anything about that resolution.

I have seen a lot of kickstarters offer their single DVD at the $40 to $50 level.  I thought it was really cool that we offered a single DVD as a digital download at $15.   And the four DVD set at $40 ($10 per video).  The basics for a low, low price.  

And for $20, you get the single video in HD.  And the physical DVD is still cheap at $25 (all that plastic, the printing, the extra artwork, the extra box to put it in, then the petroleum involved in the shipping ...)

I was thinking that we did a really great job of offering an awesome product for a freaky low price.   I thought I would be rolling in praise here.  And instead ...   seriously?
 
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Stills from the SD version.   I just played the digital download version of DVD4 - the innovator's event.   I grabbed a few screen captures.  

I think these images are freaky clear.   Having them in HD not only adds ZERO to the experience, it takes far more resources to screw with the bigger files.  The arguments of how these images are blurry or unwatchable is utterly baffling to me.  

It is as if people are saying that you cannot drive from missoula to seattle in a prius.   You can only get there in a mercedes or better.  Frankly, not only can **I** do the drive in a prius, but I have.  And based on what I have observed, the prius meets my values better.  

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This is what I see.


 
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Radoslav Hodnicak wrote:This is what I see.



You blew the images up to their non-native resolution.  Something very large.   And then you showed them here on permies where super large images are reduced to a size that is 700 pixels wide.  

So these images have been resized twice - losing quality with each resize.   You can even see that it is hard to read the text for the player!

And they still look fine to me.

 
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I grabbed your first image to crop it to fit here better.   So here is the resolution you are watching where it is distorted it only twice (once to make it big and once to make a jpeg).  And then I distort it once more to make a jpeg from your jpeg.

So this image has now been distorted three times from the original.




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Here I grabbed, possibly, the same frame.  I grabbed a frame from the same time reported on your player.  But this is in native size.

Note that in this image, ernie is moving.



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I found a 720p version.  I made it bigger and ....
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Again: I cannot see that HD added anything.
 
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Hey Paul quick question.

Is the care and feeding video suppose to only be for the Kickstarter backers.
I only preordered and the video states " this video is for the rocket mass heater 4-DVD set Kickstarter campaign"
 
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Richard Force wrote:Hey Paul quick question.

Is the care and feeding video suppose to only be for the Kickstarter backers.
I only preordered and the video states " this video is for the rocket mass heater 4-DVD set Kickstarter campaign"



I added it to one of the digital download things because it was there.  

We have it available at scubbly for a price.   I was tinkering.  It was easy to add.   Maybe I'll take it out in a while.  Dunno.
 
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I paid for SD digital. What I received is very content rich, and in the case of the pixelated out sample, that is partly due to the lighting in the scene, the fact he's moving, and it looks like it's been blown up oversize... I do not NEED HD to see someone light a RMH, it was a real moment and we get to share it; the entire set of videos isn't that quality-most of it is much better. Rather than a dry instructional, the people live, this is real, and we are there without being in the way, to see and experience, to learn. Only thing is watching these I don't get to stick my hands in cob, or try to split that brick under someone's experienced eye. I get to experience a bit about being at the Lab without being there, as well. I  like that bit.

I am currently taking sewing machine repair by correspondence and will be taking my exams over Skype/webcam. It costs me $50-100 per hour lesson-video stream; and $125 per exam; there I do receive HD. It's also fine fiddly and the detail is absolutely vital. In this case too, the additional cost for HD is being passed to me and I know that I'm paying that as part of the costs.

For the price point, the cost of this content is very reasonable. The information is more than worth the price I paid. Where I need detail it is provided in enough detail to be able to clearly see. Paul is quite camera friendly, I like him in front of the camera, and he has a voice for it too. The photography is rather good, it flows well and someone-s have taken great pains to put this together, make it informative, provide good solid knowledge, and give what you need to see when you need to see it.

I've shot my own video for instruction and the overall of these videos is very very good, for content, for angle, for focus, for smoothness of editing different scenes together. For the first DVD content alone, cob/tipi; it was worth the price I paid for the whole set.

If you are having flicker problems... have you tried using another program to display it? There are more than one way to take the file and play it back. Are your video drivers up to date? (I had an issue years back with my video driver and Hotmail, every time anything updated the screen would flash, it took some work to fix that in the software). Have you tried viewing it on a different device?  Just looking at the technical side, some issues could be related to those items. Or you're overtaxing your streaming bandwidth. I tend to be the one that has issues with things, this time everything worked well and as expected. I'm not trying to discount, that anyone has an issue or problem, just some things do happen and can be worked around or looked past.

For most people, most of the time, products and services work. I know intimately about being the small group that it didn't work for properly and the shooting trouble doesn't seem worth it.
 
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Care and feeding MP4 file:  

SD: 0.3 gigs.

HD: 3.3 gigs.

And they both look the same to me.

 
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basically anything under 720 is unwatchable to me and shouldn't even be an option this day in age.
How do I upgrade to HD download instead?

I really want to be able to see the details so I can build a heater at my place. edit: ( without burning the house down )
 
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Alex Pine wrote:basically anything under 720 is unwatchable to me and shouldn't even be an option this day in age.
How do I upgrade to HD download instead?

I really want to be able to see the details so I can build a heater at my place. edit: ( without burning the house down )



You have the 4 video set.  For $30 I will manually patch you in to the HD streaming.

There is no HD download available at this time.

Amazon, Netflix and others are still pushing SD.  It seems to be an option in this "this day in age"

Right now at amazon "Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring - Extended Edition"

SD:  $9.99
HD:  $14.99

It seems that SD is a viable purchase option.  In 2016.  And it costs less than HD.  Just like it was in my kickstarter.

I am still baffled:  if you wanted HD, why did you not buy HD?

 
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I supposed the proper thing to have done is watched all videos from front to back, read every reply on this thread and then comment.

I haven't done those things.

Perhaps I misunderstood. The little tiny bit of watching I did to make sure the file downloaded properly seemed to be the old videos. Are these just digital copies of the old videos with the new material to follow, or is the new material nested inside these someplace?

Thanks Paul.
 
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Hi, I don't get these choice of upgrades: 8 DVD streaming $80
8 DVD physical $90 (add $20 for shipping outside the US)
8 DVD download and/or streaming and/or physical $100 (add $20 for shipping outside the US)

Are there 8 separate DVD's that are available or does this mean 2 lots of a 4 DVD set?

Thanks.
 
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Ilse Aschenbrenner wrote:Hi, I don't get these choice of upgrades: 8 DVD streaming $80
8 DVD physical $90 (add $20 for shipping outside the US)
8 DVD download and/or streaming and/or physical $100 (add $20 for shipping outside the US)

Are there 8 separate DVD's that are available or does this mean 2 lots of a 4 DVD set?

Thanks.



There is a set of four from 2012, which have some good information, and (edit, my goof, info was probably from 2012 and released 2013)
A set of four filmed mostly in 2015 and just released. So you get two different sets, the older and the newer. Unlike software upgrades the newer set isn't just a redo of the older.

The second set, #4 has most of the innovator's workshop, with worldwide top experts in RMH; that was held last year, for example. So that is what is being offered. One set of the 2012 release; and one set of the 2015 work, released in 2016.

The contents of all eight are available as a physical DVD (set of 8 ), a combination of the contents that are streamable;  as a digital file download, or physical. The last one allows you to pick two of the three options the content is available in.
 
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Jared Stanley wrote:The little tiny bit of watching I did to make sure the file downloaded properly seemed to be the old videos. Are these just digital copies of the old videos with the new material to follow, or is the new material nested inside these someplace?



The 4-DVD set of "Better Wood Heat" is all new content that has never been seen before.

The 4-DVD set of "Wood Burning Stoves 2.0" was released in 2013.

In the kickstarter we offered:

1 DVD:   the first DVD of the new 4-DVD set ("Better Wood Heat")

4 DVDs:  the new 4-DVD set

8 DVDs:  the new 4-DVD set and the old 4-DVD set
 
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Can we get back to technical issues, like how to stream or download the videos and whether every link works, and give up on the "OMG this downloaded version is not HD video" complaining?  I get it.  You are disappointed in the number of pixels.  

My impression is that Paul was trying to provide something for off-grid folks who were nervous about streaming video due to their not-great internet connections.  This is what he's done, and we've heard from people in that situation that are happy.  We also have some bargain hunters who are disappointed.  It's OK to be disappointed, it's even OK to complain, I just don't see the point.  If all you got was digital downloads of the 4 new videos, you paid $40.  That's $10 per video.  A bargoon.

I went back to the original Kickstarter page.  The downloads are described as "digital download," as opposed to the streaming which is described as "HD streaming."  I'm old fashioned, so I ponied up $70 to get physical DVDs along with the other choices.  So, I can watch the videos on Vimeo, and eventually I'll have physical copies I can watch in perpetuity (if the technology persists).
 
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