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Precious Waste - Reusing Plastic Bags in a Beautiful Way

 
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I have to say that I don't like synthetic fibers for multiple reasons. However, this is a truly beautiful way to reuse plastic bags.

 
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WOW! That is really neat! I have melted both HDPE and LDPE bags down, to make solid blocks, but it has been very time consuming. I cut the bags up small, but I still end up with air bubbles in the blocks. For the most part, I think that I have not been able to compress the molten plastic hard enough. Here I have been trying to fit recycled plastic into my woodworking interest, when it appears to better fit into my textiles interest! I will have to try this sometime now!
 
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I made a sturdy bag on my (lap sized, rigid heddle) loom using cotton string as the warp and strips of plastic from plastic shopping bags as the weft. Not as lovely as the thread in the video, but it's satisfying to get something useful out of all that waste.
 
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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/bidisha/meet-kanchi-tamang-nepale_b_4029918.html


A few years ago on my last trip to Nepal I saw some beautiful baskets for sale in the town at Chitwan National Park. They were a little different than the ones in these pictures, but also very nice. As I recall, they had colorful rolls of packaging sort of sewn or tied together to make flat mats and round baskets.
 
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Have indoor/outdoor rugs on my mind. This looks like the perfect material to make them with. These rugs are much more expensive to purchase than most indoor rugs these days, does anyone know how to suggest that as a product for the people using this material?

 
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As much as I love the idea of repurposing materials, I think that plastic grocery bags have too short a life span to be really useful before they just naturally disintegrate into those tiny bits of plastic that have permeated our world......I don't know if rugs would be a good way to sequester something on it's way to becoming more trash? I think I like the idea of making them into plastic 'bricks' though....for the moment I try to avoid bringing anything home in them and those that show up here are taken to the recycling center...not sure if that's the best choice but it's one I'm more comfortable with.
 
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I did forget to think about how they disintegrate in response to UV light. I guess bath rugs is as close at they could go. It's a shame, since outdoor rugs make cement slab patios and porches much more comfortable in very hot and very cold weather.
 
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Casie Becker wrote:Have indoor/outdoor rugs on my mind. This looks like the perfect material to make them with.



I think you could use cording made from plastic bags as a inner structure for a rug, but you'd want to cover it or wrap it with scrap cloth to protect from UV light. My woven plastic bag has held up well (for years) but it lives indoors. I do think that plastic shopping bags out in the sun will begin to break down. If the plastic is out of the sun it will last for ages, though.

I think if you made sort of rope with plastic bags in the middle and fabric hiding it, and then you braided it to keep the layers in place, you could wind that into an oval or round rug that would last a rather long time. Having the plastic inside might let you get more rug from less scrap fabric.

I wouldn't recommend melting plastic bags unless you have a brisk windy day and outside work space. The fumes can't be good for you!
 
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I wonder if you could use plastic bags to make a reinforcement fiber to strengthen cob walls or other earthen works. Heck, maybe we should just stop using plastic all together! Does melting the plastic into bricks etc cause off-gassing of the plastic that is harmful?

hmmm. Maybe an insulative fiber to use as wall insulation....
 
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maybe we should just stop using plastic all together!


Yes! especially plastic grocery bags and bottles.....

Does melting the plastic into bricks etc cause off-gassing of the plastic that is harmful?


probably...and I'm sorry I can't find, yet, the information that I was referring to in my post that I've quoted below.  I think it was a post here at permies but has been awhile back and I'm not sure I agree with myself about the plastic bricks anymore

As much as I love the idea of repurposing materials, I think that plastic grocery bags have too short a life span to be really useful before they just naturally disintegrate into those tiny bits of plastic that have permeated our world......I don't know if rugs would be a good way to sequester something on it's way to becoming more trash? I think I like the idea of making them into plastic 'bricks' though....for the moment I try to avoid bringing anything home in them and those that show up here are taken to the recycling center...not sure if that's the best choice but it's one I'm more comfortable with.

 
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they are now selling beautiful design patterns of indoor outdoor rugs in Walmart made of plastic waste . We also saw them at a local community craft fair . They are likely made by people in 3rd world countries as they were very cheap but looked well made and designed I sure would not want to compete with that as a weaver . I would not buy one as I like natural fiber and plan to weave rugs with the clothes from my family that I have saved all my life . Sharon
 
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Here in the Netherlands the shops are not allowed to give plastic bags for free anymore. They still sell them (5 ct. for a small one, 1 euro for a reusable shopper bag). The amount of plastic trash everywhere is getting less, though I still see a lot of plastic bottles  I.m.o. all plastic 'throw-away' stuff must be stopped! And cans for drinks too.
A few years ago I made (crochet) a large bag all of plastic bags I got for free. I do not use it for shopping, it's hanging indoors, filled with old towels to use for cleaning.
 
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My sister crocheted this bag probably ten years ago. It's served well as a produce storage bag and a general tote bag, but is getting pretty well stretched out. Have been saving bags for another crochet project, but I love the loom idea also. I'm planning to make a backstrap loom. For those interested, I do have a drop spindle in my Etsy store.
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Julia Winter wrote:

Casie Becker wrote:

I wouldn't recommend melting plastic bags unless you have a brisk windy day and outside work space.  The fumes can't be good for you!



and those same fumes are not that great for the air outside and those who breathe it.

 
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Hmm what do we think about making plastic bags into ... shoe rack herb garden.. you know those cloth shoe racks that are filled with earth to make the garden go up the wall?
 
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sarah jane wrote:Hmm what do we think about making plastic bags into ... shoe rack herb garden.. you know those cloth shoe racks that are filled with earth to make the garden go up the wall?



That's an interesting idea, but wouldn't those break down very quickly?
 
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This is an interesting article about compressing blocks of plastic...no heating or melting plastic, just a big truck's weight on the block.  Towards the end of the article they touch on other plastic brick methods and links.   Anything involving melting plastic would be better done by a process able to deal with the toxic fumes.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/green-homes/recycled-plastic-block-houses

...as nice as the crocheted stuff looks, I have a resistance to making something out of a material that is ultimately just destined for the landfill.  Natural fibers, wood, etc, even when ruined can be returned to the earth to decompose.  Tiny bits of plastic all over the world and in the oceans are becoming a serious problem.
 
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Judith Browning wrote:As much as I love the idea of repurposing materials, I think that plastic grocery bags have too short a life span to be really useful before they just naturally disintegrate into those tiny bits of plastic that have permeated our world......I don't know if rugs would be a good way to sequester something on it's way to becoming more trash?  I think I like the idea of making them into plastic 'bricks' though....for the moment I try to avoid bringing anything home in them and those that show up here are taken to the recycling center...not sure if that's the best choice but it's one I'm more comfortable with.



You are correct that they break down quickly. I'm going to check these plastic bricks out and see how they can become something long lived and useful. A person well versed in conservation and all things natural said all the hype over plastic bags is wrong. As a test leave them out in the sun and they break down into nothingness. Not in a week, it takes longer than that but it happens. The best thing is to scream until plastic bags are a thing of the past. I remember life without them and paper bags became text book covers, started fires in fireplaces, made great ground cover that broke down, lured worms and created more soil.
 
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Lynne Webb wrote:

A person well versed in conservation and all things natural said all the hype over plastic bags is wrong. As a test leave them out in the sun and they break down into nothingness. Not in a week, it takes longer than that but it happens.



I wonder about this.  In the process of breaking down, what VOCs do they release?  When they are no longer visible to the human eye, are they still weird petrochemical molecules?

Your person well versed in conservation and all things natural may be like some of the people I've encountered, who would have everyone believe he knows what he is talking about but has not addressed the issue with sufficient depth, thoroughness and attention to accuracy, nor looked with the same care at credentials of the people he is quoting/relying on for his information.  It is SO easy to think we understand something, share our beliefs as facts, only to discover later we were missing several parts of the picture. I'm a pretty good example of this,in my younger day, but, having lived long enough to see the experts I quoted in the context of further information, I am pretty skeptical about most statements such as the one about plastic bags above.

Just one example:  remember "nalgene" bottles, that were supposed to be so safe that it was THE kind of water bottle for backpackers to have?  And where are they now?   On further investigation they were leaching nasty (and tasteless) compounds into the water they carried.

We don't NEED plastic bags, they are convenient and we "like" them.  I still like paper bags better, too.
 
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http://business-ethics.com/2010/09/17/4918-plastic-grocery-bags-how-long-until-they-decompose/?doing_wp_cron=1493934427.7718029022216796875000

Even though polyethylene can’t biodegrade, it does break down when subject to ultraviolet radiation from the sun, a process known as photodegradation. When exposed to sunshine, polyethylene’s polymer chains become brittle and crack, eventually turning what was a plastic bag into microscopic synthetic granules. Scientists aren’t sure whether these granules ever decompose fully, and fear that their buildup in marine and terrestrial environments—and in the stomachs of wildlife—portend a bleak future compromised by plastic particles infiltrating every step in the food chain. A plastic bag might be gone in anywhere from 10 to 100 years (estimates vary) if exposed to the sun, but its environmental legacy may last forever.



http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/how-long-does-it-take-for-plastics-to-biodegrade.htm

the only real way to break down plastic is through photodegradation. This kind of decomposition requires sunlight, not bacteria. When UV rays strike plastic, they break the bonds holding the long molecular chain together. Over time, this can turn a big piece of plastic into lots of little pieces.



This is what I've always understood about plastic grocery bags in particular and other plastics in general...they are with us forever...along with fibers from synthetic clothing that are in the washing machine water after washing clothes....huge amounts of tiny tiny stuff that is showing up in measurable amounts in the oceans.
 
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I have observed the evolution of these various recycled plastic products, for many years. I was highly skeptical in the beginning, and I still am. The world is not short of natural fibers to weave baskets, and it is not short of natural fibers to make reusable shopping bags. Although, I commend the ingenuity of those developing these products, I don't think the finished products are safe, or long lasting. They  gas off and they disintegrate in the Sun.

They have become a novelty item. Something to fill a news snippet. Something  for Relief agencies to sell in charity stores. But not something that makes sense to use every day, and not the sort of product that helps to preserve traditional skills. There are people in Mexico making hats out of plastic bags. There are also people who gather grasses and make much more serviceable hats from those natural fibers. I'm willing to pay a little more to have a decent hat that won't stick to my head or slump, as it gets warm.

My attitude towards these recycled plastic products, is similar to my view of glued together wood scraps, which are used in construction. We allow vast quantities of wood to burn in the forest, and then glue together garbage to build homes. Not me, ever.
 
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What Dale said, I agree completely....I don't like plastic bags, their original purpose nor their 'repurposing'.  They still fill the world with tiny tiny bits of plastic eventually no matter how long they are sequestered.

I saw this and thought if it just wasn't made from plastic bags (which it is) it's kind of a cool structure, maybe for a gazebo or shade house.



credit to http://www.helenseiver.com/
 
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Here are some neat things to do with plastic bags:







 
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Last year I learned how to make "Plarn" and crochet with it.   My city sponsors "Operation Bedroll" every year.   I personally try to remember to use my canvas bags so I snitch bags of bags from the grocery store bins    I'd rather "Repurpose" plastic for someone in need.   These might end up in a ditch somewhere but it's highly unlikely they would shred to pieces and scatter in the wind or drift into the sea.


 
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These might end up in a ditch somewhere but it's highly unlikely they would shred to pieces and scatter in the wind or drift into the sea.



Making disposable plastic grocery bags into something useful, no matter how beautiful is only prolonging the inevitable.  Especially in  sunlight, especially in a 'ditch somewhere' they WILL, whatever their form, 'shred to pieces and scatter in the wind'...they will become permanent parts of the soil and water, becoming smaller and smaller bits of plastic but still there.

Anything like a rug or sandals or even a bag is going to be worn away by abrasion even quicker.  
I know folks love upcycling things but some stuff remains trash no matter how prettied up it is.  

I wish everyone would just refuse plastic  at the store and take their own canvas bags
 
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I agree with you in principal 100%  Judith but unfortunately our society as a whole is way beyond caring about their role in destroying the environment. I can't even convince my sister to stop buying water in small bottles but buy a filter instead.  She loves the convenience and has tons of money.   In defense of my statement about the chances of a bedroll ending up in a ditch somewhere, I neglected to qualify that statement based on my locality.   I guess in the back of my mind I figure it will be cleaned up fairly quickly in my medium sized city as we have a very luxurious trash and recycling collection system, Greensboro Beautiful organization is always running roads and parks cleanup days,  the local Sierra Club regularly cleans up a couple of streams in the area, and boyscouts and churches also do cleanup and beautification projects.   Even our subsidized housing neighborhoods are kept fairly clean and neat.  We're not perfect but I guess my expectation is that bedrolls won't be contributing to piles of trash in our streets and the function they provide for the homeless is immense - at no cost.
 
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Hi Susan, thanks for explaining further...
This area keeps the roadsides picked up also and has excellent recycling centers. I still think that for the moment, until folks quit using them for their groceries or they are banned completely as they are in a couple states, it is better to recycle them.

My fear is that we are 'normalizing' this plastic crap waste by making it into cute things.  Does this mean that it is no longer going to a recycling center? Are folks resisting a cloth bag at the grocery store so than can have more colorful plastic for their craft project?  I even think putting them straight into the landfill is preferable.

There is enough discarded clothing. and even natural materials, in the waste stream to make lovely blankets and bags for the homeless...why offer them plastic?  The local thrift stores here have shoes, sandals, clothing and bedding...and free for those who can't pay...the excess is being baled and sent to third world countries or straight to the landfill.

This is a hot topic for me as I guess is clear since I keep interrupting this thread with my tirades

 
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Judith I am GLAD you are persisting here because it is very easy for people to go along with common behaviors without consciously evaluating our choices.    Ironically, your previous comments prompted me to give this more thought and I didn't see your last comment until I hopped in here today to say that I now agree with you 100% in principal and in PRACTICE!    I have been an anti-litter warrior since public service announcements in the 60's-70's!   I have been striving for a zero waste lifestyle for years and even lecture people about the environmental cost of recycling.  And I've been worrying about the proliferation of all things petroleum based that contaminate our environment and encourage global wars.   In another post here I shared a video on the high cost of "Fast Fashion"  :)

But there are many ways I've had to compromise because a huge percentage of consumer products are made of or contain plastic,  and unfortunately that led to complacency as I'd kind of given up.  So thank you, dear lady - we're on the same train!

p.s.   Also thinking through the crocheted bedroll project,  even though they are tightly woven, I imagine as you said, that friction on the ground will wear them down, leaving almost invisible particles on the soil.   Recycling them into decking boards is probably the better way to re-use them.
 
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