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I hesitated for months to post this publicly and am not in any way trying to spam or diminish. I have a real problem I would like help solving. I first learned of Carol Deppe though Marjory Wildcraft's online offerings. I was enchanted wth the cut and come again greens she has been developing and almost a year later was able to spend $90 on a seed order. I sent this in January of this year. 3 months later my check was cashed. Still no seeds. I have emailed carol@resilientgardener.com multiple times with no reply. I contacted Marjory's organization and asked for help. I was given a snail mail address and I have sent a note. Still no reply. I really want the seeds. I don't know how to proceed and am posting here for help. I made up that she got so swamped from others hearing of her as I did and then fires in southern Oregon. I am really just guessing and at a lost as to how to make contact and receive seeds. Does anyone have insight that could help? Many thanks.
 
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I had EXACTLY the same thing happen, and in fact posted about it here: https://permies.com/t/46891/Resilient-Gardener-Carol-Deppe#585356
My check was cashed, but I never received anything (seeds, or responses to my many correspondences). So unfortunately I don't have any advice, but wanted to let you know you're not alone. Although I absolutely loved her book, I'd caution others against placing orders until there is some resolution to these issues.
 
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I don't know what is going on.  I ordered seeds from Carol and got them.  I've read her books and seen her at conferences.  This may be a problem with shipping or handling.  It would be good to hear what's happening.
John S
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Katy, your experience is from this year also...still could be reasons I mentioned: flood of business then the fires...not an excuse as cashing the checks and then nothing is not cool and I very much want the seeds...how can this move forward for both of us I wonder and are there more outstanding orders?
 
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I don't know if this will help but this is from her website:

To Contact me, use ResilientGardener at comcast.net. I don't have enough time to respond to every email. But I enjoy hearing from people, and respond when I can.

Breeding open source or public domain, open-pollinated vegetables is more of a public service than an economic activity. Fertile Valley Seeds has grown to an impossible size. It is too large for me to handle without hiring serious help. But it's too small for me to hire help and still make a profit. In order to survive, the company needs to be bigger. I need a full time employee during the seed processing and ordering season as well part time assistance during the growing season.

This is from her catalog:

Open for ordering January through April only.
(The rest of the year I’m gardening, breeding plants and writing.)
I start shipping orders in late February

Orders are shipped in the order received.
For orders in  mid-March through April
please allow 1 week in addition to time in the mail
(for both order and seeds)
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(Earlier orders take longer because of the backlog and volume
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I am usually caught up by late March and shipping new orders once per week).
 
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Thank you Anne. Yes I followed the ordering directions exactly. I emailed again this morning to resilient gardener at Comcast vs. I'd been using carol@Resilientgardener. Thanks for your input.
 
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Jenny and Katy , Someone on the staff here at permies is going to try and contact her, we will get back to you if successful.
 
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Perhaps Joseph Lofthouse can shed some light on the situation. Perhaps, he can help. Carol sells seeds from his breeding efforts.
 
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Yep Joseph will be talking with her soon and get back with us.
 
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I spoke at length with Carol Deppe (rhymes with peppy). She filled me in on the details about what went on last winter leading to the unfilled orders. I don't want to share details publicly, just to say that I'm glad it wasn't me!

Carol had cashed checks that arrived in February, before things fell apart. She  expressed a strong sentiment about making that right with people. Said that she is sorting through the letters and contacting people to make amends. Later arriving checks were not cashed, and the orders also not filled. Of course that created an avalanche of email which made things even worse!

 
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Thanks for explaining that Joseph.
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Hope things get back together again her books are so inspiring!
 
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Joseph, Thank you so much for sorting this out. I'm going to allow myself renewed excitement that I'll get my cut and come again greens seeds to plant early next year!
 
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Just wanted to add my thanks for looking into this, Joseph! I hope that things have calmed down for Carol. Understandable that life goes sideways sometimes. I'll also hope to eventually have my order filled--I'd be thrilled to get to plant those seeds next spring.
 
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So much of the most exciting work in crop breeding, genetic preservation, and agriculture in general is done by little, one person operations. Will Bonsall's Scatterseed project comes to mind, or the Sandhill Preservation center, Carol Deppe, Joseph Lofthouse, and many others.

Many of these individuals or small groups have no outside funding, and thus sell seeds; but some of them, understandably, are unable to keep up with the interest! Even worse, these projects can sometimes disappear without a trace, involving the loss of irreplaceable genetic resources.

I find these situations incredibly tragic. There really ought to be some sort of centralized hub for these projects that could provide funding and distribute material.

For instance, I've been trying to track down improved varieties of honey locust. Decades ago, breeding projects produced varieties that set heavy crops of high-sugar pods. However, finding a source for material has been difficult; I finally managed, but it took a lot of effort and personal emails. Some small nurseries carry them, but they seem to be chronically out of stock. (It didn't help that I was looking for seeds, not clones.)
 
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