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An idea I've been toying with and I would to hear your thoughts.

What if we made these name changes?

ducks and geese  ---> Poultry 
(that way it can include pigeons and other birds that get left out of the conversation)

Apple Trees  ---> frit trees

Two things I'm thinking about
1. google loves more content in a forum, so having larger themes means we can have more content.
2. there isn't really a place to talk about quince or pigeons.  There isn't enough content to justify making new forums just for these.

What do you think?
 
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"poultry" includes chickens.

I like the idea of changing "apple trees" to "fruit trees"

 
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paul wheaton wrote:"poultry" includes chickens.



That's sort of what I'm wondering.

We have a forum called 'chickens'  and another one called 'ducks and geese'.  They both have quite a bit of content.  But... I don't see anywhere for other foul like quail, pigeons, partridges.

Wait a moment.  We have one called guinea foul which has less than a page of content.  What if we changed the name of that one to include other poultry... like, for example, "other poultry"?

I like the idea of changing "apple trees" to "fruit trees" 



Consider it done. 
 
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Sometimes my brain gives me a lovely simple idea for something like this.  But not today. 

guinea foul and other odd farm birds ??

guinea foul, quail, pigeons and partridges  ??
 
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Turkeys ? Geese ?
 
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Ducks and geese ---> water foul.

Guinea Foul ---> feathered farmyard foul

I think my brain has gone a bit silly.
 
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Game fowl?  except that it apparently includes chickens and turkeys and maybe not pigeons.

Gamefowl is a common name for a class of birds that include turkeys, chickens, pheasants, quails and grouse. They are also referred to by different names such as gamebirds, galliforms or landfowl. There are currently 250 species existing in different parts of the world.



Game birds and fowl.

 
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How about keeping Chickens, keeping Ducks and Geese and changing Guinea Fowl to Other Fowl?
 
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I like the "Other Fowl" catchall notion, and (I think) I'm the one who created the Guinea Fowl forum at a time when I noticed we had a lot of homeless Guinea threads.  Other Fowl would be better.  I'm pretty sure we have a bunch of lost Quail threads running around, especially after they became one of jack spirko's enthusiasms.  And though I suspect there's a lot of turkey talk in the chicken forum, it could go in "Other Fowl" henceforth as well.

 
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farmyard foul? 
Put it close to the chicken and the water foul forums on the list to indicate it's 'other'?
 
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Or "Game Fowl and Other Birds" --this would then also be a place people might talk about wild birds in their garden...I don't currently think we have a forum for non-predatory, non-domesticated birds.

I like having chickens by itself, as it's a very popular one, and a lot of people keep chickens.

Water fowl (ducks and geese) make sense to keep separated from "other fowl," as they have different needs and care. I like it as Ducks and Geese, as a lot of people are raising ducks now, but "Water fowl" works well, too, as it also would include other waterfowl, like swans.

 
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Other domestic fowl.
 
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How about "Turkeys, Quail and other Farmyard Fowl"?

That seem too long. 

Maybe just "other farmyard fowl"?


 
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Will haveing 'other' in the title hurt the google love?  Especially as the first word?  That's where I'm getting stuck.
 
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How about "Fowl by any other name" as the title? That puts Fowl at the beginning of the search for Google.

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Chris Kott wrote:How about "Fowl by any other name" as the title? That puts Fowl at the beginning of the search for Google.

-CK


I think this works better than something that tries to list all of the possibilities and the exclusions. If it comes last, when someone is scrolling through, then it becomes obvious that we mean other than chickens, geese, ducks, guinea fowl and whatever others have their own category.
 
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chickens
water fowl
land fowl

Fowl are birds belonging to one of two biological orders, namely the gamefowl or landfowl (Galliformes) and the waterfowl (Anseriformes).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fowl
 
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I think it would be good to keep in mind that the original idea behind all this was to be able to gather a bunch of disparate threads about less-conventional fowl into one overarching forum so that it looks better to Google than a bunch of super-specific fora that are seriously lacking in volume of content.

Except that there's a lot of chicken-specific content on the site, I would actually group everything under Fowl, for statistical purposes. Failing that, I would have two threads, that being Chickens, because of the sheer volume of material devoted specifically to them, and Fowl by any other name, because while there might be a lot of quality content in specific posts about underserved fowl, they look a lot better in the context of one larger forum with quality posts on a diversity of fowl.

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I don't know if lots of 'results' for a word when searching google is a good thing or not?
or matters here in this discussion or not...

anyway this is what showed up as results when I googled each of these words.....

land fowl    18,700,000
water fowl  14,700,000
chickens      30,300,000
fowl             25,000,000
ducks and geese 22,900,000
guinea fowl  3,160,000
game fowl    25,400,000
other fowl    26,400,000
 
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I love this word: Galliformes
 
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r ranson wrote:Ducks and geese ---> water foul.

Guinea Foul ---> feathered farmyard foul

I think my brain has gone a bit silly.



How about calling it "Fowl Language"
 
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I rearranged Critters a little bit so all the bird forums are near each other.  The number next to the forum name has something to do with how much content is in it.  As you can see, the geese and the chickens are very popular. 

(don't ask me to move too much, it's not all that easy)

Hopefully seeing it together like this will spark some sort of inspiration.  Although there are some pretty good suggestions so far. 
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Here’s a naming notion.

We want/need a fowl catch-all forum.  None of the “proper” names/categories  work because we want to “catch” fowl of all kinds.  But we don’t want a forum name that starts with the words “other” or “miscellaneous” either, nor do we want a negative-defined name like “not chickens or ducks or geese but still fowl”.

So how about we HACK this conundrum by borrowing the word “fowl” from a bird that already has it in the name?  Guineas would work, and it would make for the least dramatic change that solves the problem:

guinea and other fowl

Then perhaps edit the forum description to say something like “the place to talk about guineas, turkeys, quail, pea fowl, pigeons, emu, and any other fowl.”

(I threw in the emu because my sister keeps threatening to start an emu ranch; I’ll bet we already have emu threads.)
 
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I still wonder about differentiating all those 'other fowl' with land and water...

maybe 'guinea and other land fowl'  and 'ducks and geese and other water fowl'

or is that  too long and awkward?

Someone mentioned above that water and land fowl have different needs?


Dan, for awhile several farms in this area had ostriches and then emus.  It was the next way recommended to make 'lots' of money until everyone did it and of course the bottom fell out of their market.
 
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My problem is that the driving force -- or at least a goblin that's always on our back --  behind the renaming is Google, and nobody says or searches "land fowl".  So I think it would be a mistake to put "land fowl" in a forum name.  Likewise I worry that "game birds" or "game fowl" is going to attract hunting-type searches even when technically correct for certain types of cage/farmyard birds.

Plus, I don't think we have disabling amounts of discussion of non-goose, non-duck water fowl.  Maybe a few swans? 


=== off topic tangent for Judith ===

As for emus and ostriches, it's my impression that there was large money made in a sort of pyramid scheme from breeders selling to would-be breeders as the "industry" convinced itself that a market would materialize.  Meanwhile "blue emu oil" products were selling on late-night television as the new snake oil miracle cure ... for awhile. 

My sister is aware of all that and says the bubble has mostly popped; apparently there remains a market for the lean dark meat and the oil, but not at the heated levels of formerly.  I think she has foundered on the lack of a full-service butcher/processor sufficiently near to her that will handle the big birds; as with many things the real money seems to be in value-add and your own branding/marketing, not just delivering animals to a slaughterhouse for a live weight price. 
 
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How about "...Ain't Nobody Here But Us Galliformes..."

-CK
 
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nobody says or searches "land fowl".


I sometimes forget things like that and get caught up in linguistics. I blame it on this writer I live with

Chris,

"...Ain't Nobody Here But Us Galliformes..."


makes me wish we had a 'haha' button along with the 'like' button.  good one.
 
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Hi Judith,

I have always found apples and pie rather humorous...

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Chris Kott wrote:Hi Judith,

I have always found apples and pie rather humorous...

-CK



already thinking along those lines I do like the facebook 'haha' button though

 
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I would go with Fruit Trees rather than Apple Trees.

And how about leaving Chickens, and Ducks and Geese, and changing Guineas to Turkeys and Others. 

I forgot to look -- is there a separate category for berries, and for nuts?

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paul wheaton wrote:executive decision:   other farmyard fowl



That works!

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I would propose a one-size-fits-all "Poultry and Fowl" forum.  So much of the information is interchangeable among species that housing them all under one title makes sense to me.  Questions that pertain to a single species can say so in the thread title.  For that matter, a thread detailing housing requirements for guinea fowl will have lots of pertinent information for other poultry, chickens included.

I'll say, for what it's worth, that I'm coming at this with the perspective that there are too many subforums anyway, some of the divisions of which seem silly and arbitrary to me.  I don't know how Google works and all that, but it seems to me that seeking information by browsing the forums would be much easier with fewer subforums.
 
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