Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
William Schlegel wrote:What can we grow to make our communities more self sufficient?
Staple Foods?
Permaculture...picking the lock back to Eden since 1978.
Pics of my Forest Garden
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
beets, carrots, greens, tomatoes, cucumbers, melons are what makes life interesting, but they are so fleeting and hard to preserve that it's hard to include them on the subsistence living part of the equation.
Idle dreamer
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
William: One of my favorite games to play is, "What could I grow or make myself that I am currently buying from the store?"
Corn and squash are at the core of my self-feeding efforts. Other things like beets, carrots, greens, tomatoes, cucumbers, melons are what makes life interesting, but they are so fleeting and hard to preserve that it's hard to include them on the subsistence living part of the equation. They go on the quality of life side.
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Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
Skandi Rogers wrote:
We have managed without trying really to become self sufficient all year round in Onions they last in strings in the barn until March/April, and then I take any left, cut and freeze them which lasts us through until l the first green ones are ready in June. Peas fresh for June-August and frozen the rest of the year, Green beans fresh July -September frozen after, Sweetcorn, fresh for a fleeting two weeks in September and then frozen. Garlic and potatoes
Jess Dee wrote:I tried producing fiber (alpacas), and discovered I'm not into shearing, so we're back to the drawing board on that one.
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
Jess Dee wrote:I tried producing fiber (alpacas), and discovered I'm not into shearing, so we're back to the drawing board on that one.
I think that the traditional viking way of harvesting wool was to pull the wool from the sheep during the time of year when they were naturally shedding.
I love growing Egyptian onions, because they are ready to start harvesting about 2 weeks after the snow melts.
One thing I have noticed by having fields spread out over several villages at different elevations, with different soil types, is that some fields excel at producing certain types of crops. So I have tended to devote each field to those crops that thrive when grown in it. That's why I ended up with "The squash field", and "The corn field", and "The Vineyard", etc...
Jess Dee wrote:
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
Jess Dee wrote:I tried producing fiber (alpacas), and discovered I'm not into shearing, so we're back to the drawing board on that one.
I think that the traditional viking way of harvesting wool was to pull the wool from the sheep during the time of year when they were naturally shedding.
I love growing Egyptian onions, because they are ready to start harvesting about 2 weeks after the snow melts.
One thing I have noticed by having fields spread out over several villages at different elevations, with different soil types, is that some fields excel at producing certain types of crops. So I have tended to devote each field to those crops that thrive when grown in it. That's why I ended up with "The squash field", and "The corn field", and "The Vineyard", etc...
I wonder if it was a standard wool sheep, or something else? There are fiber goats, and one you can just brush the wool out, while the other has to be sheared. I've seriously considered the former, as I quite like goats.
We've noticed a similar phenomenon even on our little 10-acre spot. We've got sandy patches that the carrots like, and more fertile bits that are more suitable for squash. Funny how that happens.
Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
Creating sustainable life, beauty & food (with lots of kids and fun)
Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
Jim Fry wrote:It's interesting to me what many of you consider to be needs to be self-sufficient. And how much you do not mention. If you look at the records of the early settlements in what became America, two of the most important "trades" were blacksmith and religious leader. Without metal, you'll be cutting trees and digging gardens with stones. And without food for the Soul you will soon become lost in the wilderness.
In any self-sufficient village you need vastly more than the most basic needs. Harness makers, animal "specialists", shoe makers, carpenters, midwives, lots of children, spinner and weavers, weapon makers, container makers (barrel & basket), rope & cordage makers, metal workers, historians and teachers and Elders who remember, healers & herbalists, and in many ways almost most important, ...Ceremonial Leaders.
~~Fortunately (for us) we have all those here, and all the tools for their use. We could just use a few more self-sufficient folks to join us.
Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
"Also, just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them" (Luke 6:31)
William Schlegel wrote:My List of Essential Plants for a Self Sufficient Community in my climate and experience. Northern Rockies west side
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"Also, just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them" (Luke 6:31)
Rick Valley at Julie's Farm
William Schlegel wrote:What can we grow to make our communities more self sufficient?
Staple Foods?
Foods that make life better or make us happy like watermelons?
Clothing?
Herbs?
Food for animals domestic and wild?
Habitat for pollinators?
Raw material for canoes?
Basketry plants?
Fuel?
Oil?
What can we grow to build sustainable resilient communities that keep things local in a changing world?
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