• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Anne Miller
  • Nicole Alderman
  • r ranson
  • Pearl Sutton
  • Mike Haasl
  • paul wheaton
  • Joylynn Hardesty
  • Dave Burton
  • Joseph Lofthouse
master gardeners:
  • jordan barton
  • Greg Martin
  • Carla Burke
  • Ash Jackson
  • Kate Downham
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Listen Online

Get all of the Podcasts in convenient, giant zip files
Subscribe on iTunes


Paul calls Alan Booker up to talk about the BBB, but decided to talk about the wildfires in the USA instead.

Boot camp currently full – person who replies to invitation email within 24 hours and has been on the waiting list longest gets to go to boot camp.  You’ll even get the top bunk!

Current forestry practices include logging the area (thin out trees that are least suited to for logs and leave the better ones, repeat every few years until the best are left), fuel reduction (clear dead and patches of sick trees), and silvopasture (reduce tree count by 75%, allowing faster tree growth and use the floor as pasture, think savannah).  However, conifers are allopathic so they tend to hamper growth of other plants around them making them not the best trees for silvopasture.  Another, though rarely used fire control method used in forestry is to feed junk wood to masticators instead of burning it.  A masticator is a machine that flattens and perforates wood to encourage even decomposition.  Wood processed like this is almost impossible to ignite and instead of polluting the air with smoke, it helps support the soil.

Wildfires are hardly new, so what happened regarding fires 500 years ago?  Alan cites the book “Tending the Wild: Native American Knowledge” which claims that the native tribes of the Californian area widely used fire to control local vegetation and to open up a wide array of more useful plants for them.  

In a hypothetical scenario in which both Paul and Alan own a million acres of conifer forest in western Oregon, Paul would break the area up into 100-acre chunks, bring in 10 000 people to manage the 10 000 chunks, then move towards bringing down the chunk size to roughly 10 acres.  Goal is to leave it as something other than a conifer desert.

Continued in part 2

Relevant Threads

Fire Protection: safeguarding our home and property

Tending the Wild: Native American Knowledge thread
Bootcamp thread

Support the Empire

Help support the empire and get all of the podcasts in a bundle here in the digital market at permies.

To support production of these podcasts, make a donation here at Paul's Patreon page.

This podcast was made possible thanks to:

Dr. Hugh Gill Kultur
Eivind W. Bjørkavåg
Suleiman, Karrie, and Sasquatch
Bill Crim
Kerry JustTooLazy
Jocelyn Campbell
Wade Luger
Kyle Neath
Chris Sugg
Bill Erickson
Dominic Crolius
Julia Winter, world's slowest mosaic artist
G Cooper
Penny McLoughlin
Ash Jackson
Mehron Kugler
Lisa Goodspeed
Pasquale DeAngelis
Sean Benedict
Greg Martin
Rita Bliden
Dana Martin
Candace Dahlk
Keith Kuhnsman
Eric Tolbert
Ruwan Nanayakkara
Polly Jayne Smyth
master pollinator
Posts: 1527
Location: Meppel (Drenthe, the Netherlands)
hugelkultur dog forest garden urban cooking bike
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
That part about the 'clumpyness of human beings' I found very interesting. Could you have more podcasts on that subject?
Posts: 92
Location: Pacific Northwest
hugelkultur forest garden fungi trees foraging wofati cooking building solar homestead
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Can Alan be on every episode from here on out?
Posts: 3603
Location: Kansas Zone 6a
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
What is a masticator? Sounds like a suessian machine I could use...
I'm full of tinier men! And a tiny ad:
BWB second printing, pre-order dealio (poor man's poll)
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic