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This is a badge bit (BB) that is part of the PEP curriculum.  Completing this BB is part of getting the sand badge in round wood working.

This project will be carving a big, ugly, nearly useless spoon using only hand tools. This should be a very basic and simple spoon, able to be built pretty quickly.

You should consider the type of wood to use for making the spoon, avoiding ones with potential toxicity or strong tastes. Here's a thread discussing it further. best wood for a wooden spoon

Be safe when using hand tools, work at your own risk, and enjoy building!

To get certified for this BB, post three pics.  

  - Your chunk of wood that you are starting with  
  - Progress about half way through, with the hand tools you have decided to use for this
  - Final product

Here's a picture, and this one is finished more than necessary, it can be a lot simpler than this.



This video shows the general process and what the finished product should look like.



In this video Paul talks with Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski, permaculture and wildcrafting instructor, about the best wood to use for the spoon.

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I like this style much better - although i think that might be some pretty dry wood.   I think you would want to start with some really green wood.

 
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Here is my all time favorite wood spoon.

This spoon is made of serviceberry and has never been treated.   The coloring is some sort of staining of wood.  This spoon has seen extremely heavy use for ten years.  

I like how the spoon is not symmetrical - proving that it is not made in some factory.



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carved wood spoon made from service berry, never treated
 
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I love the look and color of that serviceberry spoon, so cool it has lasted that long and never been treated too!
 
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Does this count as a "big, ugly, nearly useless spoon using only hand tools"?  Made it today and had to stop early because, well, I cut myself and was bleeding thtough the bandage onto the spoon, and so figured I should stop....

(I just ahve to say, I've wanted to carve a spoon since I was a kid, and got the mora spoon carving tool about 4 years ago for my birthday. Of course I've had babies and toddlers that whole time, and so never got around to finally carving a spoon. This Badge Bit worked as excellent motivation for me!)

This was carved from a dwarf apple tree that died almost 2 winters ago from the weight of snow. It's been sitting outside, soggy wet. I brought it inside and carved this spoon from it
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The trunk, and the saw I used to cut it
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Cut down to size, and my mother's Mora knife that she passed on to me
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My knife seemed too small, and the wood too hard, to cut down like they did in the video, so I carved it down bit by bit.
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Carving out the spoon
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spoon bowl
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Carving it down to size
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Blood everywhere--must be time to stop!
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side view--obviously the small spoon needs to get carved to be less thick
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view from the back. --much more work to be done!
 
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Nicole,

I think you will discover that the carving will go about 7 times easier if you use green wood.  

To qualify for this BB, your spoon needs to be a bit better than that.  
 
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Yeah, I discovered that fun fact about seasoned/green wood when I tried to carve swords and staves out of 2-year seasoned holly. Thee detail I could get was fantastic...but they were REALLY hard to carve. On the plus side, they didn't bend out of shape like the green wood ones do



Anyway, I'd been wanting to use up the apple wood from my apple tree, and the only green wood that is thick enough and I can easily access by my self is alder (which I'm pretty sure wouldn't make a good spoon, as it's so fluffy!).

Hmmmm, maybe that maple tree we copiced has thick enough branches now...
 
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I got further along today!
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View from the front, with wood shavings
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Outside view, to show the bowl of the spoon
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Spoon was then stollen by my daughter
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Side view
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view from the back
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I certify that this BB is complete

 
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I have serious spoon evenvy.

Because I have a million urgent things that need doing before new years (a week ago), I decided to spend the afternoon making a spoon and discovered that I'm really crappy at making a spoon.  But I learned a lot and I want to take what I learned and try again.  Maybe even get one of those curved knives.

I also discovered why a hand-carved spoon (even a machine-hand carved spoon) goes for 35-50 dollars in the local markets.  

You did say it could be an "ugly, nearly useless spoon".  I tried to make big, but my tools for cutting wood weren't good enough for that.

My tools: pocket knife, billhook, loopers.

My wood: willow



I cut it to length and split it with the billhook.  I then used the billhook to take off the bark.  



a pocket knife and kindling block





Things I learned:
1. willow is stringy.
2. green willow is nearly impossible to sand
3. making a spoon is kind of fun.  
4. I really like my handle shape.
5. I should have noticed the pithy bit in the middle of the wood was softer than the rest and chosen a different piece of wood.

I need to find some way to dry this so it doesn't split too much and then sand it.  But until then, I think it looks pretty neat.





 
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Raven,

Keep shaving it down a bit.  You're almost there!

Don't try to sand green wood.   Once you have it pretty well shaped with knives, then you let it dry and you can sand it then.

 
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