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Could we see what a ''super ' patch pocket would look like ?! For the Crafts ! Big AL

Or a'' super'' patch pocket with a ''P'' in its center ? A.L.
 
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allen, please look at page four of this thread and you will see what paul is referring to when he says "super"
 
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Cassie Langstraat : THE quote was Paul wants the 'P' to be more super ! In the spirit of finding a way to make the 'P' more super I was proposing the
Flattened Diamond shape of the upper part of the letter 'P' be used in its escutcheon ? Superperson shape! That puts the Patch back on the overalls
and a "p'' is centered on the pocket !

It was only a suggestion, carrying no special weight or merit, I am truly aware that your plate is full, I am not trying to be trying, if and when you post
a task that looks like it could use my meager talents, you can be sure that I will volunteer to assist to the best of my abilities !

Again thanks for all you do ! As I generally close :::--> For the Good Of the Crafts ! Big AL
 
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Myself, I don't like removing the pocket. I guess if there's a "P," my favorite is the top one above, that says "New Bunny Overalls Super P."

I get the idea, I just think it's too much for a tiny social media icon to transmit. It would maybe work with blue overalls, red background, yellow slanty P, but everyone seems to think that limiting the thing to two colors is optimal.
 
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Here is the latest image:



The mission of the moment is: can somebody with magic powers in graphic art make the "p" look more super? Like somehow it would be obvious that it is a "Superman S" but a "p" ??

 
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I think a lot of what makes the super man 'S' look identifiable is the outline around the letter.
superman style alphabet

so maybe the pocket could be a modified version of that shape surrounding the P?
 
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Aha! that's a good point judith! could someone make one of those with a P inside the superman triangle thing!?
 
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My latest feeble attempt complete with the image I use for doodling.

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I'm kind of at a loss for how to make it look any more super . I'm not imaginative enough Hopefully someone else is! Paul's Super P just keeps looking like a backwards 9 to me, though, and the overalls don't look like overalls anymore. I could try turning the pocket into the superman diamond shape when I have more time, but I have a feeling that it will also no longer look like overalls, but rather like a cape. Does it matter that it no longer looks anything like overalls?

I personally liked Leila Rich's point that it's "it's introducing a random new p that bears no resemblance to the current permies p..." Paul, weren't you wanting to have permies become more of a "brand" so that it would be more recognizable? (Please correct me if I'm wrong!) By adding in a new "P" that looks nothing like the forums or the forum's homepage, I think you are hindering that purpose. Unless, that is, you want to change the forum to have the super P overalls. But, that will likely take more time and resources, right? What is it that you really want out of this icon? Is it most important to have it be cool (superman overalls are undoubtedly cool!); or to advance the empire sooner rather than later by having it be part of an existing permies brand?
 
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allen lumley wrote: Could we see what a ''super ' patch pocket would look like ?! For the Crafts ! Big AL

Or a'' super'' patch pocket with a ''P'' in its center ? A.L.



My attempt...
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I'm no designer, but since the diamond-shaped P seems to lose its "P"-ness, I'd suggest exploring the combination of a "power" shape with a skewed/perspective-drawn letter. I threw this sample together quickly, but I think it shouldn't be too difficult to draw a P that looks better and still fills the shape. (Of course, it may be that the superman diamond simply isn't well-suited to a "P".)
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I like that Jeremy, but it does need to be really small. I just shrunk the image in a photo editing website and this is what it looks like. So, not bad but it's kind of hard to tell what it is when it gets that small and that will be the primary size for it.


 
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I wonder if you could do the outline to follow the shape of the upper part of the bibs and also draw the lower point down a bit...then maybe make the P slightly smaller so that there is more dark around it...if then it would show up better in the smaller size.
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an example from the web...not mine.
 
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Here's my attempt
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Does anyone have a vector version (.pdf/.ai/.svg) they can moosage me? I promise I will make time this time. It is almost there it just need some pixel clean up work.
 
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Here is my first attempt at polishing... will need a bit more tweaking at the 16 px size
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Not sure why those got scaled up a bit but I think you can get the general concept
 
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Ok so a just looked back at the other pages... Is mine too clean?
 
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Ryan Skinner wrote:Here is my first attempt at polishing... will need a bit more tweaking at the 16 px size



I definitely like the design with the letter outline following the shape of the bibs. Could you possibly try the 'P' slightly smaller so that there is more dark around it...so that it stands out more?
 
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Rick Howd wrote:Here's my attempt



I don't know how to do this so I don't know what is involved...could the outline for the shield surrounding the 'P' follow the shape of the bib and then try the P more bold? It shows well in the 32 size but the 16 is hard to read.
...it is easy for me to make suggestions as an observer..........don't feel like you have to do them...I am just thinking out loud.
 
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P a bit smaller and 16px more optimized. I hope these come in at actual size this time.
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ok the 32x32 needed a bit more work to make it cleaner too so here it is updated.
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Still want to do something with Paul's P as well... I think I might be able to get it to work
 
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Ryan, I think you are on the right track!
 
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Great ! A rising tide floats all boats ! For the Good of Permies/the Crafts ! Big AL
 
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For the tiny image, I suggest you lose the overalls and retain only the "Super-P" or use the Permies P. In that way, you can increase the size of the "P" within the tiny space available, making it more readable.
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Ryan Skinner wrote:Ok so a just looked back at the other pages... Is mine too clean?



Probably not! I was simply working with cutting and pasting and rotating an older version. Since I was holding a napping baby through all of my versions, I was doing it all one-handed and rather sloppily. I'm also not that skilled at graphic design and Photoshop, and was mostly trying to give people images to look at so they could decide what they wanted.

You might want to shrink the overalls a little bit, though, because most other icons (facebook, twitter, pintrist) don't have as much white/foreground space, and we've been trying to make our fit in with them. I can see if I can message you the .psd file I've been working on if you want it.

Edit: Shrunk the overalls to take up less white space.
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a couple different options for that 16x16 version... 1.) more simple 2.) p only
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Just to see, I put the Super P on the overalls I'd been working on, and then I added back the buttons. I thought that, since we no longer had the pocket to make the buttons look like eyes, adding the buttons back in might make it look more overall-like and less cape-like. Thoughts?
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Just to see, I put the Super P on the overalls I'd been working on, and then I added back the buttons. I thought that, since we no longer had the pocket to make the buttons look like eyes, adding the buttons back in might make it look more overall-like and less cape-like. Thoughts?



I like it with the buttons personally but hard when it gets to small. I am torn and trying not to lean towards mine because "I did it" but i feel like the more space you devote to making the overalls be overalls the less space you have for the "P". We are getting down to nudging around a few pixels at this point so I concede to the forums. I am happy it is funneling down though and Like the idea of adding buttons back in there.
 
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tried making my straps a little thinner and adding the button in.
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I think the first and second ones work well, where the third with no dark edges is lost on the page and the straps have become too short. And the fourth, the P', stands alone well, I think.
I believe a 'P' any smaller just isn't visible enough and I like the balance of dark and light in the first two....I don't wander the web much though, and when I do the icons don't register on my brain much...maybe it is time for a side by side like CJ did pages ago:)
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Yeah, I think it's a question of whether the overalls are more important or the Super P, as well as how important it is to match the other icons in foreground/background balance. In the end, it's really up to what Paul wants. I figured I'd throw mine back up so he could use it for visualization purposes, if nothing else. I really like how you did the buttons on yours. Nicely done!
 
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I am out of synch with the posts here.......I like the new one of Ryan's with buttons too.....I think it was a good idea, Nicole, to add the buttons back in and I like your bib designs also....that pesky demented bunny is finally gone
 
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Permies Home page
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Ryan Skinner wrote:Permies Home page



I think it looks great amongst the others!
 
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It seems people like Ryan's better--which is great! For fun, I enlarged the buttons on mine, and then put them side-by-side on the permie's website picture so people can easily compare them. I love how so many different people's ideas have gone into this image!
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Either one is a winner in my book. Just up to Paul to choose. More Overalls or More P.
 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:It seems people like Ryan's better--which is great! For fun, I enlarged the buttons on mine, and then put them side-by-side on the permie's website picture so people can easily compare them. I love how so many different people's ideas have gone into this image!



what I see now is that Ryan's 'P' stands out better against the bib overalls and your overalls stand out better in the square, both because of the amount of dark against light......I don't know if that is worth tweaking more??? It is all about the dark and light spaces now maybe and I like the buttons back on both............not up to me at all. though I like the exercise in design.
 
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I like the one in the top row better:



I wonder if diamond shape can be less rounded? So it might look super-er?
 
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