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"Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it." - Helen Keller
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Jeremiah Bailey
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Previously known as "Antibubba".
Our inability to change everything should not stop us from changing what we can.
jeremiah bailey wrote:
One word: Biodiesel. Diesel that is processed from vegetable oil instead of petroleum. The energy content of diesel is much higher (read as more fuel efficient.) That is why diesel vehicles get better mpgs. You can usually scrounge the needed oil from restaurants and such. The other two main ingredients are methanol and lye. As long as you are comfortable handling these potentially dangerous chemicals, the process is mostly self fueled, albeit with a little added heat and agitation. Nowhere near the energy input that is needed for distillation.
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"the qualities of these bacteria, like the heat of the sun, electricity, or the qualities of metals, are part of the storehouse of knowledge of all men. They are manifestations of the laws of nature, free to all men and reserved exclusively to none." SCOTUS, Funk Bros. Seed Co. v. Kale Inoculant Co.
Joel Hollingsworth wrote:
* The organisms are a little less robust in some ways, but aren't nearly such as picky eaters as Champagne yeast. The process doesn't necessarily compete with food production.
Joel Hollingsworth wrote:* Distillation is less energy-intensive. For the same reason, fuel grade can be achieved in one step, and the fuel will not absorb water from the air the way ethanol does.
Joel Hollingsworth wrote:
* Butanol has not traditionally been used as a drug, so is not regulated by liquor laws.
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Susan Monroe wrote:
I've just started reading David Blume's book, Alcohol Can Be a Gas! It's a BIG book!
I didn't realize that Mr. Blume was a hardcore permie, but he is.
Here's his site, if anyone is interested: http://www.alcoholcanbeagas.com/
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tel jetson wrote:
that's too bad. any recommended starting points for that research you suggest, LFLondon? or maybe you could just tell us a bit about it.
in the end, I would rather be a sucker than to sucker other people, but I hope to avoid both.
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Leah Sattler wrote:
darn. I found out distilling your own alcohol is illegal. I was really seriously considering brewing my own fuel. pre child days I would be doing it anyway!
as a teenager i worked in a donut shop. it was hard to predict how much to make and we would sometimes have trays upon trays that we had to dump in the TRASH! think about all that SUGAR just waiting to be turned into FUEL for my car. I would just need to work out a deal with a donut shop owner. after lobbying for the legalization of home distillerys of course.
Exactly. I am planning to build my boiler soon too. I made a deal with someone that has extra space in an industrial complex so I can do my alcohol production. I am sending for my permit next week.DougOwen wrote:
It is a simple process to get a permit allowing for production of alcohol for energy purposes. The barrier for producing alcohol used as liquor is quite high.
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"MagicDave"
Previously known as "Antibubba".
The butanol question is as easy as asking if you want Big Oil to continue to dominate energy or not. If you do then butanol is the energy for you. If you think the people should take charge of their own energy needs then ethanol is the answer. The only advantage butanol has over ethanol is that it can be transported through existing pipelines just like gasoline. No thanks. I will make my own fuel. Suggesting butanol as the fuel of the future is suggesting that you want to pay whatever Big Oil asks you to pay. Local community control of energy is in my opinion a much better choice. Even wikipedia suggests that butanol can be mixed with gasoline at higher percentages than ethanol which is completely false. Ethanol can be mixed up to 50% with gasoline right now in all automobile manufactured by US auto makers. The need to order a flex fuel vehicle is just more propaganda. For a few hundred dollars you can add a module to the existing computer controller in present automobiles that will allow you to use 100% ethanol or any mixture with gasoline without any further modifications.Antibubba wrote:
The alcohol fuel of the future isn't ethanol, but butanol.
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Nicholas Covey wrote:
The mash only has to be heated to 170 degrees Fahrenheit in order to distill the alcohol from the water and mash. That can be obtained with a solar collector...
Here is a link to an online book called Solargas which deals with just that. http://www.soilandhealth.org/copyform.aspx?bookcode=030223
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jeremiah bailey wrote:One word: Biodiesel. Diesel that is processed from vegetable oil instead of petroleum. The energy content of diesel is much higher (read as more fuel efficient.) That is why diesel vehicles get better mpgs. You can usually scrounge the needed oil from restaurants and such. The other two main ingredients are methanol and lye. As long as you are comfortable handling these potentially dangerous chemicals, the process is mostly self fueled, albeit with a little added heat and agitation. Nowhere near the energy input that is needed for distillation.
Villiam Jones wrote:I consider the use of food stocks to run folks cars to be EVIL. Why? Its really simple. using food for fuel drive up prices of food. I wonder how many of the very poor in third world countries are going to bed hungry or mal-norished because Americans are using food to run their cars.
Villiam Jones wrote:After the drought we had last year much of the corn crop was destroyed, yet the Obama administration would not allow the percentage of ethanol to be lowered to reduce the impact on food prices. Even the use of non edible crops takes crop land away from food production.
Villiam Jones wrote:I'm not a big fan of gasoline but I'm even less a fan of ethanol. It also causes many problems for motors. I have a motorcycle in the shop right now because of ethanol. It corrodes parts, dissolves gaskets and diaphragms in carburetors.
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Marcos Buenijo wrote:Those who may be interested in ethanol production should take a look at vacuum distillation. I have not yet done the research, but I understand that within a certain pressure range under vacuum the ethanol percentage of the distillate vapors approaches 100%.
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tel jetson wrote:
Marcos Buenijo wrote:Those who may be interested in ethanol production should take a look at vacuum distillation. I have not yet done the research, but I understand that within a certain pressure range under vacuum the ethanol percentage of the distillate vapors approaches 100%.
it's keeping it at near 100% that's the problem: ethanol is hydrophilic enough that it absorbs water molecules from air. I think that brings it down to around 96% relatively quickly.
I wonder what the best power source for the vacuum pump would be. ethanol is the obvious answer, but as long as there's a fire involved for the still, I suppose it could also be steam powered.
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