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nancy sutton wrote:Could Covid19 really be no more lethal that a bad flu season? The numbers in a fresh study published by John Hopkins Newsletter (and almost immediately 'disappeared') point in that direction.
https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-highlights-serious-accounting-error-regarding-covid-deaths/
(A webinar done by Prof. Genevieve Briand is not no longer on YT, but is on Bitchute.com - search her name.)
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Michael Cox wrote:
nancy sutton wrote:Could Covid19 really be no more lethal that a bad flu season? The numbers in a fresh study published by John Hopkins Newsletter (and almost immediately 'disappeared') point in that direction.
https://www.aier.org/article/new-study-highlights-serious-accounting-error-regarding-covid-deaths/
(A webinar done by Prof. Genevieve Briand is not no longer on YT, but is on Bitchute.com - search her name.)
I’m always sceptical when a case is made based on a retracted paper, or article. Journals are very careful of their reputation, which in this context means that articles need to stand up to peer review
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Sonja Draven wrote:
I'm always skeptical and disappointed when something like this is disappeared. ....... Imo, better to leave it up (If it was good enough to publish initially, what changed) and publish the peers' rebuttals.
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Michael Cox wrote:
The article also seems to dismiss “94% of covid deaths have comorbidities” as though those deaths are somehow less significant than others. I find that interpretation to be callous.
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Editor’s Note: After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.
We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available here as a PDF.
In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision. The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently.
Briand’s study should not be used exclusively in understanding the impact of COVID-19, but should be taken in context with the countless other data published by Hopkins, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher. At her talk, she herself stated that more research and data are needed to understand the effects of COVID-19 in the U.S.
Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.
Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.
Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers.
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nancy sutton wrote:
Re: the original report, isn't it fishy that, typically, X number of over-60 people die of a, b, c disease every year, but in 2020, that same X number is dying of Covid, and that same X are NOT dying of a, b, c .... while the total death numbers (from all sources) are pretty much the same, i.e., minimal 'excess deaths' ? At least this seems to be the case per the CDC's numbers, in the US. IF this is true, why aren't the implications being discussed?
But most alarming (and most telling) to me, is why are not reasonable questions, not only not addressed, but never met with legitimate answers?
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nancy sutton wrote:
But most alarming (and most telling) to me, is why are not reasonable questions, not only not addressed, but never met with legitimate answers?
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Judith Browning wrote:
Nancy, It would be interesting to learn just why the article was pulled? There have been articles that have been just made up to fit someones perspective, or for political gain...all kinds of reasons. Without knowing I could not take it seriously.
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nancy sutton wrote:Re: 'peer reviewed', etc, does anyone remember the 'Surgisphere' paper published by Lancet AND NEJM ? Surely best reviewed, etc. but yanked after 2 wks , when uproar proved its utter falsity (and it's purpose was to finally end the use of HCQ in early Covid cases... another question, why this puzzling attack on innocuous drug.)
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nancy sutton wrote:Trace, food for thought: Upton Sinclair, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
Michael, being insatiably curious, it's my research that has uncovered alarming facts, including Dr. John Ioannidis' Oct report in WHO, peer reviewed, indicating 0.05% IFR for under 70's ... so effective action would be protecting the over 70's. BTW WHO now advocating to not use lockdowns.
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Mart Hale wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/13/elon-musk-covid-test-bogus/
When Elon Musk can have 2 positive, and 2 negative tests in the same day, I do not trust the testing method.
On Friday, he had questioned the veracity of rapid antigen testing, tweeting: "Something extremely bogus is going on. Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse."
He said he was awaiting the results of PCR (polymerase chain reaction) tests, which are regarded as the gold standard by epidemiologists and the one used most around the world
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Mart Hale wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/may/19/tanzanias-president-shrugs-off-covid-19-risk-after-sending-fruit-for-tests
When fruit tests positive for covid, you know they are pulling much wool over our eyes.....
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Mart Hale wrote:
Also consider how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ they will get if the hospital reports a positive covid case ->
https://www.chiamass.gov/federal-covid-funds-boost-flagging-hospital-revenue/
I do believe the virus exists, but I also believe hospitals will gladly write patient has covid in order to get more federal dollars. I mean how are you going to prove they did not have covid?
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There is so much that is worse than 'fishy' about what is being done to our societies .... and the average citizen does not have time to do the research, and SHOULDN"T HAVE TO, if TPTB are trustworthy. It is certainly more comfortable to just 'go along', but things are getting waaaaay to crazy to continue floating, IMO.
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The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a conveyor belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it's unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop. The Gish Gallop is named after creationist Duane Gish, who often abused it.
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Michael Cox wrote:As an aside from the direct discussion, I'd like to mention something I have noticed is really prevalent in discussion about covid - here to some extent, but it is happening everywhere. There is a serious lack of symmetry between the ease of "voicing a concern", and the ease of refuting that concern. It is reminiscent of the Gish Gallop.
The Gish Gallop is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a conveyor belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it's unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop. The Gish Gallop is named after creationist Duane Gish, who often abused it.
I am NOT saying that anyone is doing it intentionally, far from it, but the impact is the same. The media throws out alarming sound bites which get repeated over and over in other platforms. Many of these concerns are easy to address, but addressing them is time consuming and requires effort. I have responded to a few in this thread already, and have probably invested well over two hours into those responses. It's exhausting to be the one digging into these claims over and over, as you know the likely outcome (eg the media has hyped some out of context piece of evidence) but still have to go through the steps and present the evidence.
The bottom line is that it is much MUCH easier to cast doubt on something, than to refute that same claim, and the end result is that in many circumstances the voices of worry can end up dominating while those responding get exhausted and walk away. And when those people walk away, the last voice left in the discussion is likely to be someone with yet another claim.
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Skandi Rogers wrote:
What I really don't understand is why some countries are struggling a lot more than others, despite having much more draconian laws about things, unless it is simply the method of counting that is different between countries. I read the news in two different countries and they both complain about the same things, illegal parties, people gathering when they should know better, hospitals getting close to full.. but the death statistics are seriously different. (DK 139/million UK 851/mil) and then look at Belgium (1412/mil) I do not believe these numbers can be down to people not behaving which is what the media would like us to think, some may be population density but countries like Italy and Germany have nearly the same density (and both have large areas of unused land) and wildly different figures.
Judith Browning wrote:
Personally I'm very thankful that my family and friends take the severity of this illness seriously and have helped my husband and I protect ourselves from exposure. Saying that most of those who died have 'pre existing conditions' does not mean it is ok for them to die years earlier than they would have if they could avoid illness. I have lung challenges...but I hike miles a week, eat well and at seventy will likely live a couple more decades so would really like to avoid an early death by a known senior citizen killer...even though I have a 'pre existing' condition or two does not mean I'm ready to go quietly
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