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Michael Galloway wrote:Hi everyone
First time poster so please let me know if I mess up the posting process.
I'm curious what you'll think of this:
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I'm working for a startup working to displace diesel with advanced steam power. We're learning from the successes and failures of the steam age along with the best of it that was never widely implemented, and improving on that in areas where we can.
Our boiler are safe with no explosion risk, no sparks and no smoke when running. We'll have a 35 hp engine for sale by the end of the year and the first one is under construction now.
The boiler's are entirely mechanical in operation, though an electric fan speeds the startup. The boiler is self regulating and stable. They're designed for a long service life and easy maintenance.
I'd be very interested to hear any of your thoughts.
thanks
Michael
Michael Galloway wrote:R John: I'm not familiar with running a diesel engine on charcoal slurry so I can't compare them in detail but I suspect there would be issues affecting the important seals in the cylinder. What I can say is that the steam engine was widespread enough for it's issues and weakness to be known, so we know where we're starting and where we're going.
David: old steamengines were normally 3 or 4% efficient at converting the energy in wood to useful crankshaft work, we're expecting to be over 10% based on what was achieved at the end of the steam age but not widely applied.
For some harder numbers how does 2.48 kg of wood per kWh or 9.9L of wood chip per kWh (250kg/m^3) and 5.8L of water per kWh (assuming no condensing which would add complication) sound?
Douglas: I totally agree with you on the dangers of high pressure steam technology. The boss is certified to issue steam certificates for heritage style steam locomotives and I'm a mechanical engineer with healthy fear of death from steam explosion.
Recently I got to operate the prototype boiler that we've used to prove the key differences with our technology; when I was operating it I commented that I felt much safer operating it than I would have an old style boiler. I could describe it as the pressurised tubes being contained in a mobile bunker, the outer shell is only containing exhaust gasses. I've also done the calculations proving that the worst case scenario of stuff blowing up (which it's designed not to do!) will only result in a lot of steam blowing out the funnel. We're not amateur's playing around, we're young professionals changing the world! (cynicism hasn't set in yet!).
Thanks all
Anne Miller wrote:Where does this steam engine get its power?
I did not watch the video or go to the link.
I wonder if a rocket mass heater would work for making steam to run machines. My concern and the reason I feel that steam went out of use was the massive amount of energy it took to make the steam.
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Michael Galloway wrote:R John: I'm not familiar with running a diesel engine on charcoal slurry so I can't compare them in detail but I suspect there would be issues affecting the important seals in the cylinder. What I can say is that the steam engine was widespread enough for it's issues and weakness to be known, so we know where we're starting and where we're going.
David: old steamengines were normally 3 or 4% efficient at converting the energy in wood to useful crankshaft work, we're expecting to be over 10% based on what was achieved at the end of the steam age but not widely applied.
For some harder numbers how does 2.48 kg of wood per kWh or 9.9L of wood chip per kWh (250kg/m^3) and 5.8L of water per kWh (assuming no condensing which would add complication) sound?
Douglas: I totally agree with you on the dangers of high pressure steam technology. The boss is certified to issue steam certificates for heritage style steam locomotives and I'm a mechanical engineer with healthy fear of death from steam explosion.
Recently I got to operate the prototype boiler that we've used to prove the key differences with our technology; when I was operating it I commented that I felt much safer operating it than I would have an old style boiler. I could describe it as the pressurised tubes being contained in a mobile bunker, the outer shell is only containing exhaust gasses. I've also done the calculations proving that the worst case scenario of stuff blowing up (which it's designed not to do!) will only result in a lot of steam blowing out the funnel. We're not amateur's playing around, we're young professionals changing the world! (cynicism hasn't set in yet!).
Thanks all
Michael Galloway wrote:
The advantage of steam is the ability to burn solid fuel which can be bits of tree or a waste stream, or even waste bit's of tree in the form of forestry slash. We've had a lot of problems with that causing damage in recent floods. Of course the ecological sustainability of large scale pine plantation rotation is another issue!
Ideally the steam engine would run off an on site coppice yielding many useful products. Of course that isolates you from fuel shocks too!
Michael Galloway wrote:R John, ok that's cool. I wonder what the land area to power a charcoal slurry diesel would be including the resources to power the fuel processing. The simplicity of chop up the wood and put it in the firebox appeals greatly to me. You could use a small steam generator to run an electric chain saw for that too.
David, take it as shaft power though electrical would be pretty close considering that an electrical generator can be over 95% efficient. In saying that generators in a non-ideal situation could be much less than that.
Michael Galloway wrote:R John, ok that's cool. I wonder what the land area to power a charcoal slurry diesel would be including the resources to power the fuel processing. The simplicity of chop up the wood and put it in the firebox appeals greatly to me. You could use a small steam generator to run an electric chain saw for that too.
r john wrote:
You have to think of the whole process and that it all can be renewable. Harvest of biomass electric chainsaw and wood chipper. Drying of woodchip Thermal oil plate dryer turns woodchip into torrefied wood with biogas as by-product which can be used in diesel generator converted to gas. Thermal oil heated by solar and exhaust heat from gas fired diesel generator. Torrefied wood milled down to 20 micron in ball mill using electric. Rape seed oil cold pressed using electric then correct quantities of charcoal dust, water and rape seed oil emulsified in similar method to making peanut butter using electric to produce your diesel substitute. Given how efficient diesel is compared to steam probably 10% of the land area that steam requires and thats only due to the large area required to grow rape for the yield produced.
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Mike Haasl wrote:I'd hit up the local sawmill and buy a semi load of sawmill slabs. I think I heard you can sustainably harvest a cord of wood per acre of forest so I could get 10 cords off my 10 acres if I really needed to.
I'm pretty sure the intent is to use waste wood, wood chips, agriculture debris and the like to fuel this.
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Phil Stevens wrote:In a word: coppice. The advantages of having established root systems in place and just taking off the tops of suitable species are considerable.
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