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Emmett Ray wrote:This confounds me to no end.
Everything I research amazes me and shows just how much of a hermit I've become. There are incredible inventions and solutions for everything! YouTube videos about everything from new tech to DIY redneck solutions leave me in awe at what's possible!
Except when it comes to off-grid air conditioning. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Goose egg. Sure, there are things like swamp coolers and zip tying bottles of frozen water to the front of a fan but, let's be honest. Those aren't effective long term solutions and they aren't really that great or effective without your face a few inches in front of the thing. And still, those need electricity.
With all the ingenuity and creativity in the world, not to mention technological knowledge, why aren't there any solutions for off-grid A/C? They're so non-existent that there's not even an A/C forum on Permies that I could find. I know you can run A/C on solar, but that requires a LOT of solar and battery storage. It works, but it's not ideal.
I'm a heat wimp, folks. Anything above 70°F and I'm as baked as an Easter ham. I actually get physically nauseous when I get hot. It's the only thing that causes me to question ever going off-grid. Whoever solves this problem is guaranteed a front row seat in heaven, surely.
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John F Dean wrote:Air conditioning takes a good deal of electricity. I have managed to run a 5000 btu unit in my basement off of my 12v system converted to 110. The trade offs are significant. The problems come in with how long it runs, cloud conditions, and if I want to run anything else.
I just noticed your comment on being a heat wimp. I put my expectations for my basement at 80 and a lowered level of humidity. Even then, it can be a challenge. I have around 2500 watts in panels with questionable lead acid batteries.
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Emmett Ray wrote:
John F Dean wrote:Air conditioning takes a good deal of electricity. I have managed to run a 5000 btu unit in my basement off of my 12v system converted to 110. The trade offs are significant. The problems come in with how long it runs, cloud conditions, and if I want to run anything else.
I just noticed your comment on being a heat wimp. I put my expectations for my basement at 80 and a lowered level of humidity. Even then, it can be a challenge. I have around 2500 watts in panels with questionable lead acid batteries.
The best solution I have so far is putting a cot in the root cellar that's below the basement. At least it's not an emergency situation for me. Just one I'm planning to be prepared for if staying on the grid becomes problematic.
I asked ChatGPT to rank, in order, all the different kinds of batteries that store solar power. Here's what it gave me:
1. Lithium-ion Batteries – Best for effectiveness, efficiency, and storage capacity.
2. Flow Batteries – Best for large-scale systems but still less efficient and more expensive.
3. Saltwater Batteries – Great for environmental impact, but less efficient and bulky.
4. Lead-Acid Batteries – Affordable but less efficient and have a shorter lifespan.
5. Nickel-Cadmium Batteries – Durable in tough conditions but lower efficiency and toxic.
6. Sodium-Ion Batteries – Emerging tech with potential, but not yet competitive with lithium-ion in performance.
(I've also found ChatGPT to be wrong on more than one occasion.)
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Josh Hoffman wrote:This seems like an important issue for you from your post. We feel equally as strong about the cold weather.
Where we are currently is about as far north as I would want to be. For you, you may want to figure out how far south you are willing to be based on temperature. That may help inform your relocation and negate the need for AC or reduce it significantly.
Edited to paste this post you may want to read:
https://permies.com/t/157903/sans-air-conditioner-central-Oklahoma
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Burra Maluca wrote:AC always seems like a last ditch resort for bad design to me.
More permie solutions might include things like wofati, or passive solar, or even just better insulation.
Here's a couple of videos...
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Anne Miller wrote:A while back the forum had some discussion along this idea.
I didn't find the thread I was looking for though this one talk about using soda bottles:
https://permies.com/t/13565/electrical-refrigeration-freezing-air-condition
There is a guy out in West Texas that lives off grid and has developed a system using an ice chest.
I am not sure it is in this video though:
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larry kidd wrote: I think you're missing most of the picture here. There are lots of ways to have AC off grid. Personally I have been off grid for 17 years and I run my AC all summer long during the days and at night when needed. I have health issues that don't deal with temps out of a range of 50-80f well at all.
There are also other ways to live IE: underground then you're only cooling and heating from ground temperatures which here is 58f.
Male sure you look at other options you can't think straight line here but it can and is done all the time.
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larry kidd wrote:For long term off grid LifePO4 are the cells you want!
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Emmett Ray wrote:
larry kidd wrote:For long term off grid LifePO4 are the cells you want!
Never heard of them. I just put that in my notes to look into. Thanks big time.
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larry kidd wrote:
I think you're missing most of the picture here. There are lots of ways to have AC off grid. Personally I have been off grid for 17 years and I run my AC all summer long during the days and at night when needed. I have health issues that don't deal with temps out of a range of 50-80f well at all.
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Anne Miller wrote:
larry kidd wrote:
I think you're missing most of the picture here. There are lots of ways to have AC off grid. Personally I have been off grid for 17 years and I run my AC all summer long during the days and at night when needed. I have health issues that don't deal with temps out of a range of 50-80f well at all.
Larry, do you use solar or a generator for your A/C?
Our daughter has an off-grid AirBnB with A/c. Folks staying there are warned it is only good for a certain time frame.
Then there is the option for earth tubes or a greenhouse:
https://permies.com/t/44786/Underground-Greenhouse-Earth-Tubes
Then there is the option for a Generac:
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/generac-powerpacttm-series-75-6kw-air-cooled-standby-generator-steel-enclosure-8-circuit-lc-1339732
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Josh Hoffman wrote:
Edited to paste this post you may want to read:
https://permies.com/t/157903/sans-air-conditioner-central-Oklahoma
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Emmett Ray wrote: With all the ingenuity and creativity in the world, not to mention technological knowledge, why aren't there any solutions for off-grid A/C?.
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Emmett Ray wrote:This confounds me to no end.
Everything I research amazes me and shows just how much of a hermit I've become. There are incredible inventions and solutions for everything! YouTube videos about everything from new tech to DIY redneck solutions leave me in awe at what's possible!
Except when it comes to off-grid air conditioning. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zip. Goose egg. Sure, there are things like swamp coolers and zip tying bottles of frozen water to the front of a fan but, let's be honest. Those aren't effective long term solutions and they aren't really that great or effective without your face a few inches in front of the thing. And still, those need electricity.
With all the ingenuity and creativity in the world, not to mention technological knowledge, why aren't there any solutions for off-grid A/C? They're so non-existent that there's not even an A/C forum on Permies that I could find. I know you can run A/C on solar, but that requires a LOT of solar and battery storage. It works, but it's not ideal.
I'm a heat wimp, folks. Anything above 70°F and I'm as baked as an Easter ham. I actually get physically nauseous when I get hot. It's the only thing that causes me to question ever going off-grid. Whoever solves this problem is guaranteed a front row seat in heaven, surely.
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Emmett Ray wrote:This confounds me to no end.
I know you can run A/C on solar, but that requires a LOT of solar and battery storage. It works, but it's not ideal.
I'm a heat wimp, folks. Anything above 70°F and I'm as baked as an Easter ham. I actually get physically nauseous when I get hot. It's the only thing that causes me to question ever going off-grid. Whoever solves this problem is guaranteed a front row seat in heaven, surely.
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