• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • Carla Burke
  • John F Dean
  • r ransom
  • Nancy Reading
  • Timothy Norton
  • Jay Angler
stewards:
  • paul wheaton
  • Pearl Sutton
  • Eric Hanson
master gardeners:
  • Christopher Weeks
  • M Ljin
gardeners:
  • thomas rubino
  • Megan Palmer
  • Benjamin Dinkel

Permaculture Smackdown: Keeping Yourself Motivated as a Homesteader

 
steward
Posts: 7059
Location: Colombia - Tropical dry forest
2710
5
forest garden fish fungi trees tiny house earthworks bee solar woodworking greening the desert homestead
  • Likes 11
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator


Join us this saturday December 20 at 10 am mt time  to talk about what keeps us going while homesteading, and how to build the skills and strategies that help you keep moving forward and always advancing.

Click Here and then click notify me to join the conversation live! Leave any questions you want us to discuss here too.

 
author and steward
Posts: 57500
Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
hugelkultur trees chicken wofati bee woodworking
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
What will be our talking points?
 
master steward
Posts: 14445
Location: Pacific Wet Coast
8713
duck books chicken cooking food preservation ungarbage
  • Likes 8
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Part of staying motivated is being honest.
Ex. Nov and Dec in my climate are frequently wet with constant low, dark clouds and shortening days until the solstice. I've learned that trying to fight it, just defeats me. I'm far better to just reduce my "outside" expectations, and do some inside tasks like baking Tahini Shortbread... yummm...

A warm workshop space would help a lot.
 
pollinator
Posts: 401
41
  • Likes 9
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
It  helps my motivation on the farm if I stay calm and smile, through the mud and thornss. Be able to laugh at yourself, especially on difficult tasks.

Remember the Dali Lama's approach to adversity, and try to emulate:
"Yes, the military forces have bulldozed our Buddhist temples in Tibet, killed most of our monks, tried to destroy our entire culture.  Why would I also let them take away my peace of mind?"
 
pollinator
Posts: 280
Location: North FL, in the high sandhills
109
  • Likes 7
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I think being alert to not overextending yourself on timelines for completion is important.

Or, to simplify that, not to not bite off more than you can chew at one time.

Easy to say, but I'm guilty of repeated offenses here.

If you're going to be dumb, you've got to be tough...the perils of excess optimism.

On the lighter side, a major motivation is the ever increasing amount of homegrown foods I get to eat, the visual treat of the increasing greening of my little place, and benefits like watching windbreaks grow into maturity and do their thing..
 
Posts: 36
12
  • Likes 6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Make the most of little waiting periods.
I take a nap or two a day, but before I do, I usually make tea or a meal. I've come round to making a game out of how much little stuff that I can get done or cleaned up while waiting for water to boil or food to cook. I've found that there's a lot that can get accomplished in only 3 minutes. And then I don't have to look at the mess until I FEEL like doing it.
Caution: stay near your area of waiting. I've burned food by leaving the kitchen for ' just a moment' but then I forget what my main focus was.
 
Jay Angler
master steward
Posts: 14445
Location: Pacific Wet Coast
8713
duck books chicken cooking food preservation ungarbage
  • Likes 5
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Charolett Knapic wrote:...Caution: stay near your area of waiting. I've burned food by leaving the kitchen for ' just a moment' but then I forget what my main focus was.


I try very hard to *never* leave the kitchen without setting a timer for exactly that reason. Our stove timer even has a name, so it's not uncommon for Hubby to ask, "What's Mario binging about? Is there something I can do about it?"

Time/dates have never been my strength, compared to some people's internal clocks, so I use back-up. Knowing and accepting our strengths and weaknesses is another way to keep myself motivated. On the positive side, setting a length of time to work on a long term project, helps me feel like the project is moving, even if only baby steps. The less positive, but very realistic side, is that I'm officially a "senior" now - quitting when the timer says that time is up reduces the risk of overdoing and hurting myself. Injuries take longer to heal now that I'm older, and interfere with other planned activities. Setting time limits helps me stay healthy, and that motivates me to keep planning and growing.
 
steward
Posts: 18188
Location: USDA Zone 8a
4627
dog hunting food preservation cooking bee greening the desert
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Plant lots of pretty flowers.  Beside being pretty, some flowers help keep pests away.
 
master gardener
Posts: 5503
Location: Carlton County, Minnesota, USA: 3b; Dfb; sandy loam; in the woods
3066
7
forest garden trees books chicken food preservation cooking fiber arts seed woodworking homestead ungarbage
  • Likes 6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Maybe gamify things a little -- try to earn as many points as you can:

point valueaction
1keep things going for another day
2learn something cool related to homesteading
4learn something actionable related to homesteading
5start a substantial new project
50finish one of those projects.


And add specific things to the table that relate to your situation.
 
Dave Bross
pollinator
Posts: 280
Location: North FL, in the high sandhills
109
  • Likes 8
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Oh yeah, a wind up kitchen timer is one of my best tools too.

For:

Not overfilling the greenhouse reservoirs

Not forgetting to switch or turn off irrigation

The aforementioned cooking escapades, not turning things Cajun...as in blackened

A reminder system for my inevitable flaw of attempting to multi task and forgetting all the other task but the one I have my nose in at the moment

appointments

And on and on....

I carry it around in my pocket when in use...which has led to some humor when friends ask "What's that ticking noise?" and my comments about mad bombers.

One thing to know if you've never used these before.

You have to wind them all the way around then back to the time you're setting.
I hate to admit how long I struggled until I learned this.
No instructions come with the newer ones and the way I found out was an old US made one I got at a yard sale had a sticker on it explaining this

 
Jay Angler
master steward
Posts: 14445
Location: Pacific Wet Coast
8713
duck books chicken cooking food preservation ungarbage
  • Likes 6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Christopher Weeks wrote:Maybe gamify things a little -- try to earn as many points as you can:  


It's that 50 points for finishing that's absolutely key!

Mind you, in permaculture there's "finishing" and "Finishing". There are some projects that will need ongoing maintenance or intermittent maintenance, and those shouldn't be undervalued. We have eves troughs and timely clean-outs are not based on "date" but on windstorms in conjunction with plant cycles.  Wind from a certain direction as the Fir trees are refreshing their needles can take the troughs from "fine" to overflowing in 3 days. Next year, the Fir needles will fall straight down, but it will be the Maple keys that will land there.

Permaculture's focus on "Observing Nature" helps keep me motivated. It helps me remember that I am stewarding this land, not trying to control what is not mine to control. I can influence it, I can support it, I can design plantings to support and feed me, but I can't do that without Mother Nature being on board.
 
Andrés Bernal
steward
Posts: 7059
Location: Colombia - Tropical dry forest
2710
5
forest garden fish fungi trees tiny house earthworks bee solar woodworking greening the desert homestead
  • Likes 5
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Some more talking points:

Gumption at our Homesteads

- is it actually possible, a permaculture homestead? (Gert)

 - automatic backyard food pump
 - gardening gardeners
 - it is better than the alternative: when the power is out

- community
 - families in Colombia vs. families in the USA
 - fears individualism

- example of a homesteader who had one homestead he lived on and another that he sold at least 3 times
 - owner-financed
 - sold the homestead with 33% upfront
 - 15- to 30-year mortgage, slightly higher than a good mortgage rate
 - he sold the same homestead at least 4 times (33% × 4)
 - why this happens

- having the skills to implement your designs (gardening gardeners)

- planning in stepping stones while having a long-term master plan (permaculture design)

- the importance of permaculture zones

- short-term goals that keep you motivated

- stopping to look at and admire the changes in the landscape (remember how it was)

- having a big ambition to strive for: why are you doing this

- experiment and iterate

- becoming capable in everything so that you can guide, help, and design alongside experts

- being frugal

- routines and habits

- being surrounded by people who share principles and values

- open mode (allow yourself time to design and play with ideas) and closed mode (once you have chosen a path, focus on implementation until it is done)
 
paul wheaton
author and steward
Posts: 57500
Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
hugelkultur trees chicken wofati bee woodworking
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
i want to mention ....


the story of the guy with two homesteads.  The second one he sold ...   several times ...

the ant village experiment ....    and how the bootcamp will heal some of the issues there ....

 
paul wheaton
author and steward
Posts: 57500
Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
hugelkultur trees chicken wofati bee woodworking
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
If you implement the automatic backyard food pump BEFORE any other gardening, then motivations shift from a type of desperation to "hey, you know what would be cool?"

 
paul wheaton
author and steward
Posts: 57500
Location: missoula, montana (zone 4)
hugelkultur trees chicken wofati bee woodworking
  • Likes 6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

fears individualism



ferocious  individualism

     - don't put up with that shit!

our society rewards hostility.  But hostility is poison to community.

 
gardener
Posts: 1982
876
13
homeschooling hugelkultur trees medical herbs sheep horse homestead
  • Likes 6
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
For me, it helps to know that I can play again next year.  
If I miss the timing of something; planting, harvesting or building, I get another chance to do better.  If I do something poorly or totally mess it up, I know I learned from it, the year will come around again and each year I will be further along.  
I can continue to go deeper and do more.
 
Andrés Bernal
steward
Posts: 7059
Location: Colombia - Tropical dry forest
2710
5
forest garden fish fungi trees tiny house earthworks bee solar woodworking greening the desert homestead
  • Likes 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Watch the replay:

 
pollinator
Posts: 1324
Location: Milwaukie Oregon, USA zone 8b
152
  • Likes 5
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Looking forward to listening later. I struggle with being motivated  in general, and it worsens as I get older, , especially at this time of year with short days and lots of rain.
 
Posts: 124
Location: Nuevo Mexico, Alta California, New York, Andalucia
15
forest garden trees greening the desert
  • Likes 4
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I do my morning walkabout, with warm drink in hand, to savour the rising day/ dew/ plants/ animals, get those first fruit or veg before rodents do, see what's coming of past efforts & what's needed for future, figure when during the rest of everything I'll come out to do my hour of devotional maintenance or transition work.  We're extensive-intensive in drylands, so in every harvest/ disturbance/ rain I do an over- or inter-seeding.  I never fail to find there a task, inspiration, reward.
 
Everyone is a villain in someone else's story. Especially this devious tiny ad:
Established homestead property 4 sale east of Austin TX
https://permies.com/t/259023/Established-homestead-property-sale-east
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic