Curtis Budka wrote:I think it would be good to try to start fostering together somewhat of an intentional community type economy. What you are doing now sounds a little bit like unintentional communism too me. You provide mostly everything a person needs in exchange for work regardless of quantity or quality. Gappers also tend to have limited concept of ownership of stuff and much less do they own anything that is relevant to the work that is being done (a gapper might help build a wofati and be proud of it, but the wofati is still yours). In communistic countries, you are given a job, with which you pay for life's necessities. Regardless of the quantity or quality of work, you still get what you need and the government owns everything.
I'm not bashing what you are doing by calling it communistic and being political. I'm just connecting thoughts (communism and what you are doing are both unsustainable). I don't see anything wrong with you owning 'everything', but the gapper must own something for which he/she is responsible for. Something that no one else is involved in, gives them a reward as collateral, yet still works in favor of increasing the velocity of your mission. This thing could be as simple as one's own food supply grown/raised from the land or as complicated as the 'restaurant'-in-a-wofati idea you mentioned in another other thread you recently started. Maybe this can be a formula for work that a gapper will do....or something like that.
The crux of the issue is the assumption that the people you are interacting with will keep their word.
elle sagenev wrote:SO I guess I think with the phone thing in particular, that you should not have done it unless you were willing to look at it as a gift. You saw what it did, it poisoned and killed the relationship. This sort of thing has been going on since mankind was made.
I suppose it seems bad to say that you need to lower your expectations. Mostly I see a lot of you being frustrated with the failings of others. I just think you need to lower your expectations. People are people.
paul wheaton wrote:
I think the key is to design systems that minimize poison.
Sam Boisseau wrote:As an immigrant from the old continent, I've come to realize that Americans tend to be more approachable, friendly, but sometimes you shouldn't rely on their word too strongly.
When someone tells me about something they plan to do, I often have a BS alert that rings in my head. Often it's because I know that shit happens, there's a lot of friction in life where people don't end up doing what they plan to do.
So when I am myself expressing a plan to someone else, I usually use words like "if things go well" or "I'll try to", or "maybe", to express that I am not 100% sure. If I don't see any hurdles, I might not use "maybe" and then I make sure that whatever plan I committed to is prioritized. Sometimes shit still happens.
Now saying "maybe" isn't very popular. If someone invites me to a party, saying "I'll try to come" is a bit of a party pooping response. So most people I know just get excited about the party and say they will come. And then they don't because they got tired or distracted.
If I see someone around me not using the word "maybe" in at least some cases, then I will not take their word as seriously.
I think, regarding the phone story, that unless you've seen signs that that person is someone who will keep their word, it's a bit of a stretch that they will be doing that picture thing every day. Just so much can happen.
Also, you were missing a contingency plan. What if they don't meet their side of the bargain (which seems likely). Then you're out hundreds of dollars. Doesn't seem like a good plan after all. Has that person been good with their money previously (i.e. paying back their debts)? Probably not, otherwise they wouldn't be needing you to pay for their phone...
Knowledge and experience as a Woofer/employee/intern is a blessing and a curse, because you come in knowing lots of things but at the same time I have found most people are stuck in their ways and anything you suggest to them that might optimize their system is taken as defiance.
I still felt like I could not argue my point further because these were her birds
the downside for someone who feels like they know what they are talking about is that their knowledge and experience is useless and stifled.