Zach Weiss wrote:...Keep in mind that I won't have enough to share until WINTER of 2015 but at that point (assuming everything goes well) I would like to make this offer: I will send a small amount of the seed to everyone that I am able to. The thing that I ask in return is that you first send me seed you have saved yourself, from your favorite/most valuable plant. This way I feel good about the odds of the seed that I send out being successfully propagated.
Craig Dobbelyu wrote:Instead of being mowed the first year, could it be used as forage for animals in a paddock shift system? If so, which ones? What is the value of that biomass as afeed source? What insects and other wild life would also eat it at the grass stage?
Nick Kitchener wrote:Does Sepp grow the grain in a no till type of set up? If so, has he put together a plant guild, or does he just let whatever grow, grow?
Akiva Silver wrote:I believe the real potential of perennial grains lies in chestnut trees. Chestnuts have roughly the nutritional equivalent of brown rice. They are easy to grow, easy to harvest, easy to store, can be ground with the same equipment as corn and they can live for thousands of years (it's true, there is a tree in Sicily that is about 4,000 years old).
I have planted a chestnut orchard for experimental grain production. I hope to be selling flour within a few years, and I also hope to help other people plant chestnut trees through my nursery. The Italians have been using chestnuts for millennia as a grain for humans and livestock.
Zach Weiss wrote:
I have seen this grain grown successfully in a no till set-up. Sepp is often sowing it after some disturbance (increasing the success rate) but I have also seen it successfully grown with no disturbance at all. Often times he is sowing it after the pigs have tilled an area, or in disturbed areas where he has just created some new earthworks. He is seeding a large diversity of species along with the grain, very much directing the support species that develop. Clovers, turnips, radishes, salads, and trefoils is just a start, a lot of the species mention in "Sepp Holzer's Permaculture" in the "Green Manures" table are used in companion with this ancient grain.
Zach Weiss wrote:
Craig Dobbelyu wrote:...Bunkie, great to hear of your success with the Perennial Rye! Do you have any pictures?
Sorry Zachh, I see all my previous pics are down right now. I'll try and find them, and will take some this spring and summer and post.
Sepp calls Black Locust (Robinia pseudoacacia), Acacia but it is really a pseudoacacia. There may be something similar going on here. The grain looks like Einkorn, and he calls it Einkorn, but it may be a relative or pseudo-Einkorn. I'm not sure.
Until "Sepp's grain" becomes more available, what other ancient grains do you and others recommend trying? Also, I'm wondering if there are other details in the translations of Sepp's books where details have gotten lost?
Julie Carney wrote:Do the seeds we send you have to be a grain type, or just a favorite edible? Can you offer a little more detail how to process / use the grain once it's harvested?...It sounds like it's hull-less?? I read that the seed seem to grow on any latitude...How about hot and dry / more water-logged, or heavy clay soil??
Zach Weiss wrote:
I'm a big fan of Spelt, Buckwheat,
I'm sure other details of Sepp's work has been lost in translation, but nothing comes right to mind. This is why it is most important to let nature be your ultimate teacher. What works in one place may not work in another, thing may be translated wrong, and people make mistakes. Observing the nature and letting those observations be your guide, that is a strategy that is full proof.
I would love to send it to as many as I can that will successfully propagate it. The seed exchange is more to avoid sending some of this precious seed to someone who will not be able to successfully propagate it. Favorite plant is fine, I just want the person to be a confident and competent saver of seed.
I believe Sepp Einkorn is a soft hulled variety, so the grain is hulless after threshing. As far as I know hot or dry, water logged, or heavy clay soil, this grain does pretty spectacular in every condition it has been tested in so far. My intention is to get as much of this grain out there moving forward, as people grow it around the world we will learn lots more about it.
Zach Weiss wrote:
The main thing here is that when the grain is ready (again not till 2015 at the earliest) I would love to send it to as many as I can that will successfully propagate it. The seed exchange is more to avoid sending some of this precious seed to someone who will not be able to successfully propagate it. Favorite plant is fine, I just want the person to be a confident and competent saver of seed.
Benjamim Fontes wrote: i found in a Sepp book the word in german urkorn (not einkorn) for siberian rye. Urkorn means ancient grain. "Ein" in german is one and "ur" in german is ancient i think.
bunkie weir wrote:Victor, on the Mountaineer Rye, I had planted 100 seeds the first year (2009) and 75 germinated. I planted in the spring, and come fall, they had huge seed heads with no seed in them. I was told by Tim Peters that he was surprized I got anything at all, planting them in the spring! He said they should be planted in July or August. The next year when the plants reappeared, they produced nice heads again, and were full of seed! Don't give up on them! They grew to about 10 plus feet tall.
I'm readying to harvest ours, tho looks like the grasshoppers have had at it. Working on pics, too, Zach.
Len Ovens wrote: I would like to try that or any other nut I can grow... The first question for me would be what do you use for leaven? What fills the roll of gluten? What method of shell removal do you use? How is chestnut different from other nuts? (I seem to remember it having more starch?) Chestnuts seem to grow well here.
Michael Cox wrote:The question is, do you remember which side it was??