David Wieland wrote:
While I agree that there are some evil people (anti-humans), I can't see how they could regard permaculture as a threat.
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David Wieland wrote:
Myron Platte wrote: There are some evil people out there, and rocket mass heaters are a major gateway to permaculture, which is the nemesis of the plans of these unnamed evil people. (Not being political. Just pro-human.)
While I agree that there are some evil people (anti-humans), I can't see how they could regard permaculture as a threat. I've gardened organically since the mid-1970s and subscribed to Organic Gardening magazine for years but wasn't even aware of permaculture until the last decade. I'm pretty sure that it's still a fringe endeavour in the big scheme of things.
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Myron Platte wrote:Overwhelm the trolls. Make one video, one informative comment, one meme every week, month, or year. Make some commitment and stick to it. That’s my 2 cents.
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paul wheaton wrote:Lots of posts go up and there is a bit of unkindness.
This one post went up and it was clear that it pissed off a corporate troll farm.
I think I now know why. My post was about the european heating crisis and how rocket mass heaters would be a great solution. It turns out that a bunch of american ships carrying natural gas went to europe and sold them all the natural gas they would need for ten times the regular price. The government paid the extra cost. So people will still pay ten times more for natural gas, but it will be through taxes.
In that deal, the seller made a lot of money. A lot of money they would not have made if people caught on to rocket mass heaters.
David Wieland wrote:
paul wheaton wrote:
I start with the thought of "why don't more people know about rocket mass heaters?" And now it is clear. It is a threat to the profits of ... somebody. Somebody really big.
The trolling blowout you described is disturbing. Do you know of others who have experienced such a thing? It certainly sounds organized -- but by whom?
It doesn't seem plausible to me that any corporate "competition" would feel threatened enough to bother. It's puzzling, but I wonder if the troll storm was a test of a nefarious tactic for disrupting a social media platform and you were just a random target.
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paul wheaton wrote:About three weeks later, the US shipped and sold a full winters worth of natural gas to europe at 10x the regular price. Sounds like an extreme profit motivation. If people learned about rocket mass heaters and started building them, then it could have had a dramatic cut in the profits of the shippers.
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Sandra Graham wrote:
Who would really feel threatened by a conversation about RMH? In any case, whether the thread was targeted as a demonstration or because of the topic, the fact that someone had a team (or an algorithm) primed and ready for that attack is, again, really disturbing. But probably useful to know.
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Sandra Graham wrote: By US I’m guessing you mean a U.S. corporation? Would love to know which one but I guess these forums are too too public for that.
Jeff Bosch wrote:
The liberator has UL certification (to my knowledge useful in talking with insurance).
There is an exception in the EPA requirements for Masonary Heaters and some RMH installers have been able to use it for local inspector and insurance approval.
There is a group of Masonary Heater and RMH installers that have been working with the EPA on getting certification, but as most governmental things it is a slow process and even more so over the last couple years.
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Jordan Holland wrote:What really has my attention right now is Twitter. I'm interested to see just what is going on with all the bots and shills and trolls there. If a man is willing to pay $44 billion for it, I suspect he had some pretty strong conviction that the problem was pretty serious, and he has the capital to seriously vet his convictions before taking action. The massive layoffs make me wonder if the problem permeated virtually the entire system. I would bet there's a lot of similarities between it and all the other social media platforms.
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Jim Garlits wrote:I'm wondering how this would fare on X now that Musk took over the Twitter platform. Or is there an example of what worked or what failed?
Jordan Holland wrote:What really has my attention right now is Twitter. I'm interested to see just what is going on with all the bots and shills and trolls there. If a man is willing to pay $44 billion for it, I suspect he had some pretty strong conviction that the problem was pretty serious, and he has the capital to seriously vet his convictions before taking action. The massive layoffs make me wonder if the problem permeated virtually the entire system. I would bet there's a lot of similarities between it and all the other social media platforms.
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