Mike Jay wrote:PS. I second Todd's comment about deer and turnips. I haven't seen them eating them myself but I know they are a major component in deer plot seed mixes. Possibly the deer only eat them after they've frozen and the other easy eating food is gone but I wouldn't risk them outside a fence if I wanted to get a good yield.
Nerds be nerding...
Chris Holcombe wrote:I did some rough calculations and added up square footage. I think one person could be sustained on about 1/4 acre with the following:
1 Person’s worth of trees (730,000 calories)
4 chestnuts = 221,970
2 honey locust = 300,000
3 hazelnuts = 170,690.4
4 elderberries = 50,736
3 persimmons = 47,565
2 apples = 22,500
10 black currants underplanted = 27,780
2 mulberry = 12,000
The fields here are number of trees, type of tree and total calories. This is based on 365 days of 2000 calories per day.
The numbers that went into that are:
Apple is .5 calories per gram
225 calories per lb
11,250 calories per tree @ 50lbs per tree
Mulberries are .5 calories per gram
6,000 calories per tree @ 25lbs per tree
Elderberries are .7 calories per gram
12,684 calories per bush @40lbs
Black currant is .6 calories per gram
2,778 calories per bush @10lbs
Hazelnut is 6.28 calories per gram
2844 calories per lb
113793 calories for 2 trees@20lbs per tree.
Persimmon is .7 calories per gram
15,855 calories per tree @50lbs
Chestnuts are 2.45 calories per gram
1,109 calories per lb
110,985 calories for 2 trees at 50lbs per tree
Honey locust yields 96-400lbs per tree of pods. Approximately 1.1 calories per gram.
500 calories per lb
75,000-200,000 calories @150-400lbs per tree
I tried to build a tree set that might be a decent diet without giving you scurvy or eating nothing but nuts. I also tried to include some things that dry well like persimmon and some fresh eating things. This doesn’t have any redundancy built in so anything less than perfection means starving which obviously is bad.
This was an interesting exercise! Thanks for posing the question.
Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
Iterations are fine, we don't have to be perfect
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Joseph Lofthouse wrote:I grow gallons of sunflower seeds every year. I don't know how to turn them into food.
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:I grow gallons of sunflower seeds every year. I don't know how to turn them into food.
S Bengi wrote:Leafy Vegetables (Kale family, Spinach family, etc)
Nuts (Hazelnut, etc)
Root Vegetables (potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc)
Fruits/Dehydrated Fruits
Mushroom (Oyster, Wine Cap, etc)
Honey (2 or 3 warre bee hive)
Eggs
Fish
Chicken
Goat Milk
Famine grass seed
Beans
I like this idea of having a greenhouse with fish, chicken/egg, mushroom, vegetables, edible algae/seaweed also)
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Western Montana gardener and botanist in zone 6a according to 2012 zone update.
Gardening on lakebed sediments with 7 inch silty clay loam topsoil, 7 inch clay accumulation layer underneath, have added sand in places.
Thekla McDaniels wrote:It’s been mentioned on this thread how few fats can be had directly from plants. Geese are grazers…. eating primarily grass (correct me here folks, if that’s only some breeds of geese). Some people raise geese solely for the fats… and get an alarm animal into the bargain.
Working toward a permaculture-strong retirement near sunny Sperling.
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