being on a permaculture farm i can say for fake the absolute bullocks people are being taught.
People who want more scientific method could conduct their own scientific experiments to model the format they prefer to see.
Joop Corbin - swomp wrote:
concerning the sepp stuff, u think the sepp admiration is just at the right level, my obnoxious opinion is that is is a bit overdone
thats just having different opinions, we can have different opinions on these forums, and still respect each other, i presume.
I already had clover on my land, and it looked like lack of water to me. Not lack of nitrogen, as the weeds next to the grain were fine and happy.
you say you tried fukuoka's method many years ago, how many years did you do it for? because the 'soil goddess' was saying in the podcast that it takes a number of years to start getting the nitrogen back from the clover. so yeah the first few years are going to be marginal.
John Polk wrote:
To me, one of the biggest flaws in "Science" is that most of it is conducted by universities, whose budgets are largely supplemented by major corporations.
Do an experiment, collect data, and have others try the same thing and we'll all benefit.
why is everything around here now going the way of holtz and hugel-whatever. why is there no mention of scientific journals or book references that are not regurgitated observations from untrained and i would say unqualified teachers?
Joop Corbin - swomp wrote:
paul, i agree, a nuanced story carries more weight
the same goes i guess for everybody else on this forum, because dismissive sentiments towards the other well known permie names have repeatedly been expressed on these forums, in what case nobody of the mods would say anything about that. (not judging to anybody, just pointing it out)
as goes for your idolization of sepp, even though it is obviously done with a wink, and youre being humorously over it. I think it is a bit out of proportion, can you understand that people could get weary of the name when hanging around here a lot?
i myself dont share ahipa's concern about the lacking of scientific aproach on permaculture. But i also didnt really get if ahipa's concerns were about pc on this forums, or pc in general, if the latter, is that worldwide? or just in your own surroundings?
I would be FASCINATED to learn what the Permaculture farm raises that yields enough to sell. And, how it is produced.
. i know a few people who were/are agronomists, biologists, pathologists, and the like; they really want the research
permaculture does not have the facts, figures or in my mind, the data to support and raise this design system from perceived hocus-pocus (biodynamics) .