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A new boot (yay!) asked a very good question that I didn't find answered any where in the thread. If Paul decides to put it in the FAQs, this post will self-destruct. (Yes, we can make posts self-destruct...mwahahaha!!)

I plan to bring basic hand tools and a few battery operated tools. Should I bring any shovels, sledge hammers, or any other recommended hand tools? Curious if gas chainsaws would be good to bring along? How about a gas generator? Are propane grills allowed? Just trying to get a feel for what items are allowed and what I should leave at home.


Boots are welcome to bring their own tools, though as we tell workshop participants, some times a tool monster eats tools. IOW, we cannot guarantee your tools' safety and locate-ability. That is up to you.

We have loads of tools, and at the same time, more are always welcome! (Typical for any homestead, eh? Though especially true when you trying to fill many hands.)

We have some electric chainsaws and battery powered tools (because we do try to reduce petrol use), plus we have gas chainsaws and other propane or fuel-based tools, generators, cooktops, etc., as well.

Paul does not want generators running just to power someone's normal living needs. They are rather significant in the noise and air pollution department - and killjoys at that! (You know, when trying to experience nature, and there's a LOUD generator grinding away? That.) We might use a generator in off-grid locations if our solar cart power runs out and something can't wait for the solar re-charge.

As a reminder, base camp is on-grid, with lots of regular outlets for charging devices.

Boots will have access to cooking food on one of our many, many cooking devices, so a propane grill is not necessary, though it's fine to bring if you'd prefer your own.

I hope that helps!

 
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quick note:   for those boots that are here when the time comes...  it sounds like we might be building another rocket oven in the next couple of weeks.  For boots, this would effectively be a free hands on workshop.



 
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There are two bootcamp openings at this time.   Please note that boots will have semi-direct access to this upcoming free workshop which is limited to six people:

https://permies.com/t/rocket-kitchen

So while the six people selected for the event will have full access to the event, boots are typically asked to help in a variety of ways - so they sorta kinda get in also.  

 
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Just wanna share ...

first, we have a pretty strict thing about keeping the kitchen clean at all times.  And yet, I am a pig.  So I have tried really hard to hide my slovenliness.  Yesterday I was trying to clean something and realized that I was not going to get it clean in time for a meeting.  At the same time I knew that I was paying a housekeeper that would arrive in a few minutes to mitigate my slovenliness.  So I apologized to the boots that I would be leaving a mess which is so contrary to the fabric of how the kitchen is managed.  And a boot said "it's your house.  you get to leave messes."  I've always felt it was critically important for me to be part of setting precedent.  But these few words really lifted me up.  I'm still basking in the glow.  After dirty cup CSI, the kitchen towel comedy, the pig bucket problem, and countless hours of drama surrounding the kitchen, I realized that this year has been extremely smooth with kitchen stuff.  Nice.

Jocelyn and I made a small retaining wall out of rocks.  Basecamp has lots of rocks.  Lots.   When you get a dry stack project done and it looks good, you get to thinking about what you might try next.  So I was thinking I would like to try an arch.  I have been reading about it for years.  And the first step is to get an idea of where you might try it.  And I stopped and was talking to jocelyn about a spot and one of the boots came up and said that he wanted to try a dry stack arch on the weekends.  Next thing you know a lot of us are talking about it.  I think it might even start today.   We even visited about making a small arch first.  Something that might be a half day project - before moving on to the bigger project.  This is really putting some wind into my sails.  

Another boot asked for some garden space of her own on the weekends.  It's like a bit of a dream come true.  I feel like I've been gardening gardeners and I see some cotyledons.  

The bootcamp program is not currently full, but it has been a rewarding year.

 
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Hello everyone,

I'm about to be paying the gapper fee but I wanted to find out for sure if there are still any openings left.

 
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There are openings at this time.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:There are openings at this time.



Paul, thank you so much for the quick response. I wanted to kind of introduce myself at least as far as my situation right now and how I found out about wheaton labs. Basically I recently found myself homeless after I chose to leave a roommate situation that started to present too many red flags. Instead of returning with my tail between my legs to try to depend on family to help me I have been trying to navigate the whole 'shelter living' system but this has been absolutely soul crushing. It becomes even more difficult when you are thrust headlong into a society that wants nothing more than to make you completely and utterly dependent on it just to survive, much less ever get ahead. So I had to really step back and take this time to ask myself what I really want out of life, what do I stand for and value the most, what do I wish to accomplish?

Anyway, I don't mean to go into some big long life story but through an interesting chain of events I managed to find out about wheaton labs and the bootcamp program and I feel beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is exactly what I have been looking for.

I do have a few concerns only in that I am coming there literally with only the clothes on my back, my little tracfone and a laptop (although I am willing to donate the laptop for the community there perhaps for there at the base camp when other people need to come use the WiFi). I am receiving food stamp benefits until December ($192 a month) and I still have about $100 on there and if there is a store somewhere in missoula I would be happy to use that towards staples not just for myself but other boots as well and would be happy to just entrust that card to someone that handles finances there at the labs because what's mine is yours. The only thing is I don't have any thing else as far as clothes, boots, tools or anything else but in the future I may be able to have some friends mail me perhaps a care package for clothing and whatnot but this is obviously not a damn fashion show either I was just wondering if that is going to be a problem before I come out there.

Also I didn't want to give the impression that I'm just looking for some sort of hand out since I'm currently homeless. There's a ton of work exchange programs and co-ops and places where I am locally that I could look into but frankly speaking even though the bootcamp will likely be exponentially more difficult and much more work than pulling weeds and planting seeds on someone elses farm in a WWOOF-type arrangement, I don't believe that anyone ever accomplished anything worthwhile and meaningful without much hard work and this is the only opportunity I have found where not only I can learn first hand all of the knowledge and skills necessary to living sustainably off the land but also be able to build towards a stable future with a community of like minded individuals. I'm not coming there as a tourist or with some pie-in-the-sky romanticized vision of what living off the grid entails. I also only have very basic experience - I know my way around a toolbox, not afraid to use a chainsaw and can tend to a garden without screwing anything up but that's about it. I want to learn as much as I can with an open mind, an eagerness to learn and the ability to shut up, listen and follow directions to make sure I do the job right.

So I just wanted to let you all know a little bit about my mindset, my situation, where I'm coming from etc. I have a friend that's going to help me with the gapper fee and the bus ticket to the station in missoula asap. Also as I am traveling without any cash would I be able to paypal someone the money for the ride from the bus station? Is that something I could probably work out? That's my only other concern. Anyway sorry for writing a freaking novel pretty much hopefully someone can address my concerns. Thanks again!
 
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Christopher,

Make sure you know what you are getting into here.  This is not a refuge, this is about teaching people our techniques through a lot of hard work.  

I have always thought that a person could arrive without a penny and do great here, but know this:  every person that has arrived here in the past very low on funds has left.  Every last one.  The people that are still here arrived with coin in their pocket and think that being here is amazing.  

Further, the people that arrived with very little tended to exit with enormous amounts of drama.  The people that arrived with coin that elected to go, tended to exit peacefully.

You mention red flags:  dude, from our perspective you are covered in red flags.  

Ever since we have had the $100 gapper fee, we have held the position of allowing anybody to come that is willing to part with that much coin.  And we will stick to that until our program is full.  You just really never know a person until you know a person.  

I think you need to spend some time learning what you are getting yourself into.  Things here are quite different.
 
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paul wheaton wrote:Christopher,

Make sure you know what you are getting into here.  This is not a refuge, this is about teaching people our techniques through a lot of hard work.  

I have always thought that a person could arrive without a penny and do great here, but know this:  every person that has arrived here in the past very low on funds has left.  Every last one.  The people that are still here arrived with coin in their pocket and think that being here is amazing.  

Further, the people that arrived with very little tended to exit with enormous amounts of drama.  The people that arrived with coin that elected to go, tended to exit peacefully.

You mention red flags:  dude, from our perspective you are covered in red flags.  

Ever since we have had the $100 gapper fee, we have held the position of allowing anybody to come that is willing to part with that much coin.  And we will stick to that until our program is full.  You just really never know a person until you know a person.  

I think you need to spend some time learning what you are getting yourself into.  Things here are quite different.



With all due respect, Mr. Wheaton, I have spent the last several days pouring through forum posts from other boots/ants there at Wheaton Labs, watching the YouTube videos, listening to your Podcasts and trying to soak up as much information as I can so that I can learn what I'm getting myself into. I appreciate your reply and despite your awfully presumptuous statement about me being covered in red flags, I'm going to heed your advice anyway and take more time to deliberate and plan this out more carefully.
 
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Someone just asked about starting bootcamp in the fall.

This is a question more for Fred and Paul, though I think I can explain that it's possible with a few caveats.

Fall-winter bootcamp caveats:
--there are typically less community members and less boots here at that time (meaning you might be stuck with mostly just Paul and myself for part of it! )

--Fred is gone part of the winter meaning we would not have a (fearless and fabulous) boots leader for those months. Which I think could still work, especially if the boot was here for a few months prior to Fred's departure to learn how things work first.

--we still have a lot of outdoor things to do in the winter which means having the gear for winter weather conditions.

I hope that helps!


 
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Do you currently have openings?

I won't be able to do boot in long intervals, but I would like to do them when I'm able to. Not sure if you have something like that, or if you just require the $100 fee for each time I would return when openings are available, which I would be fine with. Didn't see any information on that sort of boot schedule, but I may have missed it.

Also wouldn't mind helping with Business Admin stuff and marketing (what I actually do for work). On your recent podcast I heard the "if you had a million dollars you'd get an MBA," so I would love to help with what I can and what you would be comfortable working together on.

Love the content guys! I'm actually planning on building a Rocket Mass heater for my parents to replace their wood burning stove for this coming winter. :)
 
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Alec Wines wrote:Do you currently have openings?

I won't be able to do boot in long intervals, but I would like to do them when I'm able to. Not sure if you have something like that, or if you just require the $100 fee for each time I would return when openings are available, which I would be fine with. Didn't see any information on that sort of boot schedule, but I may have missed it.

Also wouldn't mind helping with Business Admin stuff and marketing (what I actually do for work). On your recent podcast I heard the "if you had a million dollars you'd get an MBA," so I would love to help with what I can and what you would be comfortable working together on.

Love the content guys! I'm actually planning on building a Rocket Mass heater for my parents to replace their wood burning stove for this coming winter. :)



Alec, what lovely questions! Edited to add:  and welcome to the forums!

Yes, we have bootcamp openings.

The $100 is a one-time fee, and you can come back almost any time! There are about two months in winter (roughly Dec.-Jan. each year) that we don't offer bootcamp, though otherwise we have folks here working on projects here pretty much year-round.

As for the marketing and business admin help, even without the million dollars, there are always, at the very least, some commission type arrangements that are possible. Paul is taking a break from the computer after his awesome kickstarter finished so well today, so it might be a day or two before he replies more about the marketing/admin help aspect.

Thanks for loving the content! ;-)


 
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Alec,

If you are marketing savvy, we have oodles of affiliate programs with 40% and 50% affiliate fees.   And we just did a kickstarter with a 20% kickback.  And we have had workshops with a 30% kickback.  

And if you don't want money, then yes, we are always trying to "build the empire and infect more brains with permaculture."  
 
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Sounds great!

I would be happy to assist in whatever ways I can, just for the sake of what you all are doing and for what I've learned from you already. I did not know about the affiliate programs, so I'm excited about that too as that is what I mostly do with in marketing.

I'll coordinate my schedule and plan on at least the week of August 5th if that's available, and go ahead and pay the $100.

I would be flying in (it would be a 29 hour drive instead) so I would need to work out transportation from airport with you. Any other costs or recommended supplies I would need to consider?
 
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If you have a special diet, you will want to stop by the organic grocery after the airport.  

See you in a week or so!
 
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Thanks Paul.
Would arriving on August 30 be okay? I think that would work better for my schedule if it okay with you all.
 
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Alec Wines wrote:Thanks Paul.
Would arriving on August 30 be okay? I think that would work better for my schedule if it okay with you all.



Fine by me.   Make sure fred knows!
 
                          
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Are the forty hours a week cumulative or per person? I work online and Do school at home so I have daily commitments of eight too ten hours. I have a converted school bus that is not  totally off grid. I intend to cover my expenses and not be living off your dime or time, I just want to learn more and gain hands on experienced in permaculture. My goal is to save up to buy our  land to homestead on so I will continue to work online while attending boot camp. Is there any flexibility of the hours required? Feel free to message me to discuss details.
 
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I will be visiting my property near Spokane during the first week of October, to see if any of the seeds I planted survived the deerpocalypse that exists in that county. I doubt I'll need more than a day or two for chores there, and planned to explore for the rest of the week, like Tuesday-Thursday.

Could I stop by the labs and camp there for a couple days, and offer an extra set of hands where needed? So long as it stays above 30, my bag and tent will keep me warm, but I'd be up for buying a night or two in any available space with a RMH as well!

Also if anyone already there is up for some group cooking I can pick up any missing ingredients on the way in, as I'd really like to learn any recipes you have for putting what you grow to use. Cooking isn't my weakest link, it's a missing link!

For example, all the meals (every one) I had for the week at the Cob Cottage Company during their work party were incredible, but being treant-sized I was usually moving heavy things or chopping and hauling wood on the mountain, and missed out on how the meals were prepared. Kiko Denzer stopped by and made an amazing pumpkin/squash soup that we had for several days, adding new fresh ingredients to stretch it out. Not knowing how to cook with fresh veggies is a bit deflating as you plan ideas for a food forest...
 
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Are the forty hours a week cumulative or per person?



Sorry, I don't understand the question.


I work online and Do school at home so I have daily commitments of eight too ten hours.



I think you would like to explore our SEPPer program.  You can rent a spot to put your rig and it could be arranged that you could join in on bootcamp activities from time to time.  Unfortunately, we are without a rental manager right now.

 
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Mark Tudor wrote:I will be visiting my property near Spokane during the first week of October, to see if any of the seeds I planted survived the deerpocalypse that exists in that county. I doubt I'll need more than a day or two for chores there, and planned to explore for the rest of the week, like Tuesday-Thursday.

Could I stop by the labs and camp there for a couple days, and offer an extra set of hands where needed? So long as it stays above 30, my bag and tent will keep me warm, but I'd be up for buying a night or two in any available space with a RMH as well!

Also if anyone already there is up for some group cooking I can pick up any missing ingredients on the way in, as I'd really like to learn any recipes you have for putting what you grow to use. Cooking isn't my weakest link, it's a missing link!

For example, all the meals (every one) I had for the week at the Cob Cottage Company during their work party were incredible, but being treant-sized I was usually moving heavy things or chopping and hauling wood on the mountain, and missed out on how the meals were prepared. Kiko Denzer stopped by and made an amazing pumpkin/squash soup that we had for several days, adding new fresh ingredients to stretch it out. Not knowing how to cook with fresh veggies is a bit deflating as you plan ideas for a food forest...



Mark,

We have an event planned for october 5 to 7.   The pizza party for select kickstarter peeps.  What are your plans around those dates?

 
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Initial plan was to be back home by then, as I'll be on-call for work starting that Friday and visiting folks watching my dog plan to fly home around then too. I can see about changing the dates to stay a couple days longer, but I'm not sure if the others can also change their flights. I'm certainly willing to try though, if I can fly back on 10/8 instead that would be great to meet more people!
 
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For the last week we have been making very serious plans around that timeframe for an event.  There is a good chance that this will be our next kickstarter.   Any boots that are here before sep 24 would be attending the first part in full, and the second part at 80%.  

Part 1 would be sep 24 to 29

Part 2 would be oct 1 to 5 (and mash into the pizza party)

We might have the event and the details hammered out by this afternoon.  



 
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I've been able to adjust everything so that I fly back Sunday afternoon, so I can stay until late Sunday morning before heading back to Spokane. Between listening to all the podcasts over the last year or two, watching all the videos you've put out, including the lab/basecamp tours, it'll be a bit surreal to actually walk on the property and meet you guys, and hopefully help with some projects! Sweeeet!

I will look up the previous emails I'd received about visiting and follow-up with those to avoid cluttering up this thread.
 
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Mark Tudor wrote:I've been able to adjust everything so that I fly back Sunday afternoon, so I can stay until late Sunday morning before heading back to Spokane. Between listening to all the podcasts over the last year or two, watching all the videos you've put out, including the lab/basecamp tours, it'll be a bit surreal to actually walk on the property and meet you guys, and hopefully help with some projects! Sweeeet!

I will look up the previous emails I'd received about visiting and follow-up with those to avoid cluttering up this thread.



can you throw some dates in here so i can understand a bit better?
 
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New boots arriving on Sep 23 or earlier, will be able to participate in this two week event:

https://permies.com/t/91267/permaculture-projects/part-roundwood-timber-framing-workshop

We will have a max capacity of 10 boots for this period.

Related news:  no new boots between Sep 24 and Oct 6.   For any boots that wish to overwinter, they must arrive before October 21.  Short term boots may arrive up to mid-november.   And then all boot arrivals will resume on Feb 4 (with boots arriving Feb 3).
 
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Some interesting programs are being developed for boots with a camera and a few other things

https://permies.com/wiki/90168/permaculture-projects/Biological-Reverse-Kickstarter


 
                          
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Are the forty hours a week cumulative or per person?



Sorry, I don't understand the question.

Would forty hours of human labor equal that of one adult be sufficient? Or would my kids put in hours with me totaling more than forty hours? I guess I plan on  having them work along side me but sometimes their efforts as a team are only equal to one adult. With the exception of weeding, harvesting potatoes and trimming, their tiny hands work faster and more efficiently than most adults we have wwoofed along side.

I work online and Do school at home so I have daily commitments of eight too ten hours.



I think you would like to explore our SEPPer program.  You can rent a spot to put your rig and it could be arranged that you could join in on bootcamp activities from time to time.  Unfortunately, we are without a rental manager right now.

Although the SEPPer program seems appealing, I feel as though we could benefit the most form the intensity of the boot camp. Given I work and schoolonlinei have flexibility in my hours and schedule and can put in multiple days of hours over the weekend and leave the weekdays for booting. That being said plea feel free to moosage me with information on the rental manager vacant position.

 
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here is the link to the rental manager and event manager position.

https://permies.com/t/50293/permaculture-projects/rental-event-manager-high-income
 
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Mark Tudor wrote:I've been able to adjust everything so that I fly back Sunday afternoon, so I can stay until late Sunday morning before heading back to Spokane. Between listening to all the podcasts over the last year or two, watching all the videos you've put out, including the lab/basecamp tours, it'll be a bit surreal to actually walk on the property and meet you guys, and hopefully help with some projects! Sweeeet!

I will look up the previous emails I'd received about visiting and follow-up with those to avoid cluttering up this thread.



can you throw some dates in here so i can understand a bit better?



I'll be flying into Spokane Sept 29, and flying back on Oct 7 around 4pm. I'll only need a day or two to check on my property, so I should be able to drive over to your place on October 1 or 2, and could stay until late Sunday morning before driving back to the airport.

Edit: October 7, not August, but time-reversing speeds on the plane would be nice, those seats are too small!
 
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Hey, Mark, I'm figuring you meant October and not August there. But if you have a spiffy time machine then I want a RIDE!
 
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Ha yup! August on the brain, as in "please let August finish up so we can turn off the oven known as southern California!" If we pay triple the national average for housing here, I would hope we at least get decent weather... it was 95 on Christmas day last year, and hit 108 last month, and so far my neighbors' weather stations show an average of 2.8 inches of rain since March 1 2017... "I want to speak to the weather system's manager!"
 
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I just wanna point out, that if a boot showed up and took a bunch of pictures, they could get $950

https://permies.com/wiki/90168



 
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I've read through a couple pages of questions on here and the experience sounds awesome. One thing that's unclear to me though: is this a year round program? February 4th comes up as a date, so you guys take a break? I work seasonally in the masonry field so I'd like to come around January through February and maybe beyond if I feel like I'm learning a lot.
The other question I have is where exactly is this place?
 
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shadrick wilsons wrote:I've read through a couple pages of questions on here and the experience sounds awesome. One thing that's unclear to me though: is this a year round program? February 4th comes up as a date, so you guys take a break? I work seasonally in the masonry field so I'd like to come around January through February and maybe beyond if I feel like I'm learning a lot.



If a boot shows up by late october, they might be part of a year round program.  
 
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Boots in the bootcamp october 8-12 will be working with a few professional natural builders in this event:

https://permies.com/t/92034/permaculture-projects/days-natural-building-wofati-cob


 
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Boot to Ant Program for 2019

For the first 6 boots:  A four month program.   At the end of the first month, select your plot.  In your spare time, you can work on your plot.  At the end of the four months, your ant rent is covered through 2020.  After 2020, you might wish to participate in the bootcamp program from time to time to cover future rent.   Or even make a big push to get deep roots.

After the first 6, it is a six month program.  


some boots it will be faster because

   - project time productivity is remarkably better than average
           - possibly doing group lead stuff
   - put in more nest labor
           - thus reducing the need to hire expensive outside help for cleaning and repair

some boots will be slower because

   - project time productivity is remarkably less than average
   - putting in too little nest labor (and we have to pay lots to clean up after you)

Once the 4 month (or six month) point is hit, the ant village deposit is paid for as a cash deposit.  In theory, the boot could simply immediately leave and cash out.


In theory, six boots will start with the bootcamp on February 2, 2019.   They will select their plot on March 1, 2019.   And upon completion of the four months, they will have their ant plot through December of 2020 - a total of 22 months.



 
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I want to do the boot program, because I think this is where I could get a lot of hands-on experience. I haven't yet escaped college.

Could I possibly hold a spot for myself in the boot program by paying right now?

Would it be possible for me to work on the boot program during my spring break (March 25th-29th), and we can see how much I enjoy working at the lab and how much you enjoy having me work?

And then if that week goes well for both of us, would it be possible to recontinue the boot program after I have escaped (graduated) college in May?
 
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Dave,

Because you are on the permies.com staff, you do not have to pay the $100.

This is a first-come-first-serve sort of thing.   The spots are open until they are no longer open - and then there will be a waiting list.

Yes, please come on our during your spring break.   Just check with us first to make sure there are spots open.  
 
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Hi Paul!

I kinda think everybody would want to do your boot program, which is why I am asking right now. (and I'll probably be checking in again in a few months)

How many of the six spots for the 2019 boots are available?
 
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