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One of the members of permies.com came up with the fantastic idea of sponsoring a Boot. We all thought this was a great idea and wanted to expand on it, and find ways for permies to reward and encourage the Boots and other residents!

In podcast 403 – Bits and Bobs towards Critical Mass – part 2 Paul and Bill tallked about this a bit.

How this works is you pick one or more goals you'd like to see someone accomplish, and list a reward for it. It could be a hand knit scarf, $10, $100, gift certificates or whatever! And, if lots of people make pledges for a goal, and someone makes it, they get all the pledges.


For example, if we had a goal of "First Boot who posts 1 pic per day for 30 days" and Nicole Alderman pledges a hand felted dragon, and Clark Kent pledges $30, and Xavior pledges $45, and a boot meets that goal, they would get $75 and a handfelted dragon.


Here's our list of artifacts to pledge!

Just for the Boots at wheaton labs

First Boot to post a pic a day for 30 days
  • $50 --anon963
  • $200 --Kyle Neath

  • First Boot to post a pic a day for 90 days
  • One handmade fairy/elf in your choice of colors, design, etc (see examples here)--from Nicole Alderman
  • $100 --from Tyler Ludens
  • $100 --anon963
  • $500 --Kyle Neath

  • First Boot to post a video a day for 30 days
  • $100 --anon963
  • $5 --R Ranson

  • Any Boot to post a pic a day for 30 days
  • $20 --anon963
  • $50 --Kyle Neath

  • Any Boot to post a pic a day for 90 days
  • $40 --anon963
  • $100 --Kyle Neath

  • Any Boot to post a video a day for 30 days
  • $40 --anon963


  • For the Residents of Wheaton Labs---this includes Ants, Boots, Gappers and Fred. (But not Jocelyn or Paul--sorry!)

    First Resident to make two posts per week about their life/work on Wheaton Labs for 90 days
  • 1 handfelted dragon in your choice of colors (see examples here)--from Nicole Alderman

  • First Resident that posts a pic a day for 30 days
  • $50 --anon963
  • $200 --Kyle Neath

  • First Resident that posts a pic a day for 90 days
  • $100 --anon963
  • $500 --Kyle Neath

  • First Resident that posts a video a day for 30 days
  • $100 --anon963

  • Any Resident that posts a pic a day for 30 days
  • $20 --anon963
  • $100 --Kyle Neath

  • Any Resident that posts a pic a day for 90 days
  • $40 --anon963
  • $200 --Kyle Neath

  • Any Resident that posts a video a day for 30 days
  • $40 --anon963

  • Any Resident that makes a post a day for 30 days

  • Any Resident to make at least one post a week about their life/work on wheaton labs during 3 months (September, October, November 2018 )  (Post can be text only, but I like to see some pictures or even videos now and then).
  • a hand-knitted wool hat/ cap - Inge Leonora-den Ouden
  • (size, colour and other specifications of the hat to be sent)

  • Plant the antonovca Apple seeds M Johnson sent Paul - with pictures of planting and growth
  • $75  -- M Johnson

  • Ship the First Antonovca Apple from the seeds M Johnson sent Paul
  • $100  -- M Johnson

  • First resident to harvest a dozen eggs from on-site chickens in a single day
  • $240 --Kyle Neath

  • the next 5 4 residents who start or continue a blog thread in the "wheaton laboratories" forum.
  • $20/resident from Kerry Rodgers. 4 Rewards left, 1 claimed by Jeremy Butler


  • What's a blog thread? 
    * It has a thread title that contains your first name (or pseudonym) and role at the labs, e.g. "Boot-side chats with Elvira".
    * It has media post(s) about anything at the labs: people, projects, places, existing artifacts, wildcrafting, campfire butt warming, electric tractor, anything.

    To be one of the qualifiers, you just need to make one post with either 3 photos or 1 video.  They don't have to be polished and edited, as long as they depict something clearly.  It's nice to say who you are, if you are comfortable with that, but it's not a requirement for this bounty.

    Here's a good example post.  Here's another one.
  • $20 each --Kerry Rodgers

  • 1 hour of cleaning---rooms after people have left and didn't wash their sheets
    (not that that will ever happen again, right?)
  • Alexander Technique Body-mind Education session of 1 hour by video (or in person if you somehow wind up in Boston) --Joshua Myrvaagnes
  •  
    I will make my schedule available, and am quite able to be flexible to accommodate an Ant or Boot's time needs.  Alexander Tehcnique helped Victornix (Swiss Army knives) manufacturing plant workers increase productivity by %40 while reducing injuries.  It is permaculture principles applied to the self.  I would love to offer money but have to focus my monetary resources at this time.

    plant one chestnut tree (European, American back-bred, or straight American) each year at the Lab

  • $20 per planting,for 10 years, and I'll ship you the chestnut in husk. --Joshua Myrvaagnes

  • No need to hardware cloth it or deerproof it, just plant it however you desire, "sheer total utter neglect" is fine.  If the rodents eat it it wasn't meant to be.

    anything awesome determined by Jocelyn in the next couple of years.
  • a stay on our finca near Galicia, Sapin --Amanda Launchbury-Rainey





  • Soul Projects:

    finish the test Moon Gate with minmum 20 pictures and 3 videos of project

  • build a full size Moon Gate with minmum 20 pictures and 3 videos of project
  • $20 --Julia Winter


  • Natural Building projects

    Junkpole gates with minmum 20 pictures and 3 videos of project
    Proeneke style? Some kind of critter proof, no metal. - decide
  • $20 --Julia Winter


  • Full Winter on the Lab with weekly posts containing pictures and video.


  • Benches / chairs: 
        Aldo Leopold benches,  for moving around and observing different things more intently

  •    3 log benches for the spots that might want a bench for a long time to good effect.

  •   
      Paths to connect the benches by where people go 

  •     


    Lending library:
        Little free library : https://littlefreelibrary.org/ , but all permies'd up.  Probably a much bigger roof and overhang to start with.
  • A hand-painted dragon egg  be painted in up to three colors of your choice (please specify the base color). --Molly Kay
  • Also please note: actual dragon not included. 
  • 1 handfelted dragon in your choice of colors to match your dragon egg! (see examples of my felted dragons here)--from Nicole Alderman


  • Monuments and markers; sign posts and maps:
       signs, and little maps for any visitors / attendees / renters

  •    Monuments around/ next to the property corner posts. 

  •    A big paper map tacked to a  board with and overhang like some roadside map stands have.

  •     After a nice spot is found, Put in a picture taking registration spot, so that year after year people can come to the exact same spot and take pictures. 

  •     Build a Sun clock

  •     
       Video: 
  • $1 / minute for naturescapes up to $123 USD  ( 123 minutes worth ) -- Tom Rutledge

  •       A full burn cycle of the rocket mass heaters.  Description HERE

  •        Game camera footage / pictures : not sure about that one. 

  •        Several hours of video footage from the next several weather events.
  •    I have a 15 minute loop of a babbling seasonal stream that I just love to bits.
        
          Several hours of Peaceful lab audio. 


  •       A time lapse shot of the stars on a good night. 


  •        A day long time lapse of one or two of the lab structures to really show people how the sun move across the land, then do it for each season from the same location. 


  • From Tom Rutledge - Some ideas on video subject material.
      1) a tree swaying interestingly in the breeze
      2) sunsets
      3) sunrises
      4) the comings and goings of an ant hill
      5) turkey migration, especially if you know where they'll be and having them walk around the camera.
      6) weather, like clouds going by or rain storms.
      7) time lapses of a day's worth of shadows on WOFATI, or an impromptu sun dial ( a stick in the ground ), maybe the tee-pee
      8 )A full day in the life of a bee hive. before dawn to after dusk videoing the hive.
      9) A full burn cycle in a RMH.
    10) Watch a sunflower swaying in the breeze.
    11) a hugel bed for a few hours. 

    Come to think of it. I kinda wanna see video of a gob of cob drying in the sun for a few hours as the sun does it's thing..

    Photograph the temperatures in a wofati with a still camera, at random times of day, daily, for one year.
    Set up a thermometer and point a camera or a phone camera at it.  (turn off everything else on that phone, especially the cellular data feature and the service, so it's only recording a file).  Battery will have to be recharged every week, probably, or else run off a really little solar panel. 
    {list]Alexander Technique Body-mind Education session of 1 hour by video (or in person if you somehow wind up in Boston) --Joshua Myrvaagnes[/list]  I will make my schedule available, and am quite able to be flexible to accommodate an Ant or Boot's time needs.  Alexander Tehcnique helped Victornix (Swiss Army knives) manufacturing plant workers increase productivity by %40 while reducing injuries.  It is permaculture principles applied to the self.  I would love to offer money but have to focus my monetary resources at this time.

    For starters, pritty much anything.



    We will add more things to this list, as long as they fall within our comfort zone here at permies.

    So, if there's some sort of benchmark or project you'd like to reward a Boot or Ant or other resident, reply to this with what you've always wanted to see and the way you want to see it done and we'll add you to the list of projects/pledges. You can make pledges anonymously if you'd like and I'm going to keep track of that, if you want your business listed as the donor we can do that as well.
    Pledge as you can, I'll manually certify the project is completed (the Biological part of things), verification that the means for the Pledge are still there,  the desire is still there,
    that the project meets the expectation, and then I'll arrange for transfer of funds/delivery of goods.


    What would you like to see?
    Mini-projects?
    Mid-projects??
    Major projects???
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    Other possible challenges:
  • Sign up a friend to be an ant or boot
  • Cook dinner for 10 ants (or if there are 5, cook twice)
  • Get 50 fruit/nut trees established
  • Establish enough growies to eat off the land for 1 week
  • Safely preserve a decent amount of 6 kinds of food in two or more ways (drying, canning, smoking, ???)
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    Mike Jay wrote:Other possible challenges:

  • Sign up a friend to be an ant or boot
  • Cook dinner for 10 ants (or if there are 5, cook twice)
  • Get 50 fruit/nut trees established
  • Establish enough growies to eat off the land for 1 week
  • Safely preserve a decent amount of 6 kinds of food in two or more ways (drying, canning, smoking, ???)


  • What else, folks?

    A picture survey of all the mushroom types on the lab, all the animals on the lab, all the wildflowers on the lab  - more, more, more!!!
     
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    Successfully brood a batch of chicks under a hen/duck/turkey

     
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    First Boot to post a pic a day for 90 days

    - $100
    Staff note (Bill Erickson):

    Added to pledge list.

     
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    I added your pledge, Tyler! Do you want your name up there like I did, or would you rather be more anonymous?

    And, thank you for being the one that got this idea started!
     
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    Some quick things while the iron is hot.

    Ideas first, then we can figure out rewards


    Benches / chairs:
        Basically whatever,  
        Aldo Leopold benches,  for moving around and observing different things more intently
        3 log benches for the spots that might want a bench for a long time to good effect.
        Something cattle resistant


    Paths to connect the benches:
        For now, not this.   Like fensing paths often take a while to figure out and are best figured out by where people go.


    Lending library:
        Little free library : https://littlefreelibrary.org/ , but all permies'd up.  Probably a much bigger roof and overhang to start with.
        

    Monuments and markers; sign posts and maps:
        with all the changes it'd be helpful to get signs, and little maps for any visitors / attendiees / renters ,( like little trail makers / maps )
        Poooosibly monuments around/ next to the property corner posts. ( talk to paul about that one )
        After a nice spot is found, one that'll probably have a good view, or a good nice meadow for a while, or maybe a big rock that's not going to move,  Put in a picture taking registration spot, so that year after year people can come to the exact same spot and take pictures. 



    Sun clock of course!
        

    Surveying:
       Gographical:
           Find a nice quiet little clearing space
           Find the highest / lowest spots on each plot of land


       Biological:
           ad-hoc : find a nice tree
                       : Build a  local index / map of where stuff is on the lab ( or near the lab ), format TBD... possibly a big paper map tacked to a  board like some roadside map stands have. ( more overhang though for less water problems. )
           a more rigorous survey , be it grade school, high school, or grad school quality.


       Video: 
           A full burn cycle of the rocket mass heaters.  ( preferably with no chatting, just calm, primative tech guy awesome. ( 
      )).   Those videos are cut to be short and just the ideas of it.   Personally I'd like to see both that and the full RMH run from cold start to the mass is cold again. ( okay so there may need to be a few visually cluttering thermometers around.  Yes that might be like 10+ hours of strait video.  Several reasons.  1) 'yes it's just that easy'  2) yes, the fire is kinda awesome,  3) yes it's just that boring after the fire is out....  I'd rather have a video of a RMH feed tube / burn tunnel going ( or maybe a batch box heater) at Xmas than the normal video of a fireplace.

           Game camera footage / pictures : not sure about that one.
          
           Several hours of video footage from the next several weather events.   I have a 15 minute loop of a babbling seasonal stream that I just love to bits.
        
           Several hours of Peaceful lab audio. 

           A time lapse shot of the stars on a good night.

           A day long time lapse of one or two of the lab structures to really show people how the sun move across the land, then do it for each season from the same location.



    So as you can probably figure out by now, these are lots of the things I might like to do, if I were to take the time and space to do them, but for reasons.... don't yet.




    Staff note (Bill Erickson):

    Tom, I added your pledge and added many of your items to the list.

     
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    I’ll do $75 to plant the antonovca Apple seeds I sent Paul.  Wherever Paul wants them. There are a lot so not expecting seed balls or anything, just sticking them in the ground where they have a chance, with reasonable spacing knowing that alot wont take.  But if you plant 500 seeds and get 10% to take, there would be a lot of awesome Apple trees.
     
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    M Johnson wrote:I’ll do $75 to plant the antonovca Apple seeds I sent Paul.  Wherever Paul wants them. There are a lot so not expecting seed balls or anything, just sticking them in the ground where they have a chance, with reasonable spacing knowing that alot wont take.  But if you plant 500 seeds and get 10% to take, there would be a lot of awesome Apple trees.



    A lot of those got planted already, and one of them appears to be doing well.  At least, we think it is one of those. 

    But!  We still have some of those seeds, so I think this makes a good reverse kickstarter!


     
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    I can send more too...what’s your theory on them making it?  1%?
     
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    It’s long term, but I’ll pay $100 plus shipping for the first antonovka Apple that comes from one of those seeds.
     
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    Re : Video :

          
     

          I hear this was done on a 3 generation old iphone ziptied to a stick.


    The Raw .MOV files are better. but that's the idea.   Something simple, and easy that keeps on giving.   ... well and using up youtube bandwidth.


    I'd go for $1 / minute for naturescapes up to $123 USD  ( 123 minutes worth )

    Pick a subject any subject :  Preferably something with reuse value. Technically i'll pay out on two hours of a ball of mud. ... 

    Some ideas on subject material.
      1) a tree swaying interestingly in the breeze
      2) sunsets
      3) sunrises
      4) the comings and goings of an ant hill
      5) turkey migration, especially if you know where they'll be and having them walk around the camera.
      6) weather, like clouds going by or rain storms.
      7) time lapses of a day's worth of shadows on wafadi, or an impromptu sun dial ( a stick in the ground ), maybe the tee-pee
      A full day in the life of a bee hive. before dawn to after dusk videoing the hive.
      9) A full burn cycle in a RMH.
    10) Watch a sunfower swaying in the brease.
    11) a hugle bed for a few hours. 

    Come to think of it. I kinda wanna see video of a gob of cob drying in the sun for a few hours as the sun does it's thing..

    For starters, pritty much anything.

    Eventually better audio / video and access to the high quality source files would be awesome and probably worth something.


    As for subjects.   I like this story about writers block.   A teacher gave a student a task of writing 1 page on any topic the student could choose.

    The student came back with nothing, no idea what to write about or where to start.
    The next day the task was to write a page on something in this history.
    Nothing.
    Something in the world of popular fiction?
    Nothing.
    Something in the home?
    This went on for a while until, ahh.   The teacher took out a coin and have the assignment to write one paragraph describing the coin.


    By finally looking closely and getting all the distractions out of the way the student was finally able to look and see.  Came back with pages on pages of writing.   The coin was not just silver.  It was silver and tarnished in different places, scuffed in others and bright where it had been handled.   The dime had not the  head of some dude on the face it had a shimmering chimera of smirking and sadness too profound to fully fathom.


    Observation.   Sometimes only by looking really really closely can one really see.  And sometimes only by having tangible reminders that there is a world out there with green, life and hope.   Sometimes that is exceedingly valuable and motivating to those not yet free enough to take the pictures themselves.




     
     
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    M Johnson wrote:I can send more too...what’s your theory on them making it?  1%?



    I think it depends entirely on where and how they are planted!  If they are planted in the paddock, on garden soil (hugelkultur) and they are two inches away from some ruth stout style kitchen scraps, and there is some thick mulch all around - i would say there is an 80% chance.  

    If the seed is tossed on a bunch of rocks, then there is less than a 1% chance. 

    Maybe the thing to do is to put some details in about pictures of the project.   Some sort of marker that makes it clear that this is a unique spot.  Then there can be pics of it being planted, pics of it poking up, pics of it getting to six inches tall ...
     
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    Got a bunch of pledges in today - so I thought I'd spruce up a bit and add a little color to the page. Thank you to all who have pledged so far!
     
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    Haha. I love this but i'm gonna break the rules. Why? It seems like a way to legally "should" on Paul.

    I will kick $100 to paul (or whover he wants it to go to via money or gift card like amazon).

    This is to imbedded patreon supporters into all new youtube videos on his subscription.

    I'll also commit to 4 vidoes per month at $10 per video on a longterm basis through patreon. It has to be youtube videos though, not podcasts.

    Anyone else willing to join in on this? I have a theory that imbedded names thanked in the video itself (where its actually seen) will increase  the number of patreon supporters he has. 1,000's watch and dont know what it is, or that he even has it. He can manage it as he sees fit (publish all patreons, publish only new pats, rotate them out, etc)
    Staff note (Bill Erickson):

    This one is for Paul and so you'll need to work it out with him.

     
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    Lead acid batteries suck.  The price is very high.  They are disposable after about 7-10 years.  They are full of toxic materials like lead and emit toxic gases.  They also require gentle care and the slightest snafu will destroy all of them.  I have done a bit of research into the Thomas Edison nickel iron batteries.  They seem low tech, safe, cheaper, and they get better with age.  I worked on the railroad and they had some from the land before time that still did a great job.  (I'm guessing 40's)  They lose charge quicker than lead acid, but if it lasts for a hundred years does it matter?  Holy crap are they heavy, but they can be treated like crap and still work wonderfully.  Some of the methods used to make nickel iron batteries seem doable.  I have seen folks on youtube making tiny versions only.  I have read the few posts on permies regarding them.  Great reading, but the only options seemed to be Edison batteries, the commercial route.  $1k for a 12 volt 100 amp Edison.  One of the biggest costs would appear to be nickel at first glance.  I do pottery and powdered nickel is not very expensive.  I would put 200 toward a good how to video or a horrible failure with lots of expletives.

    As a lover of all things conspiracy I'm guessing the Exide company stopped making these batteries because they lasted too long.  It didn't work with our planned obsolescence society.  Enter the compact fluorescent.
    Helpful reading if you choose to accept this challenge:
    https://ironedison.com/nickel-iron-ni-fe-battery
    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms1921
    https://www.noonco.com/edison/improvements.htm
     
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    I meant to add I think this would make a great kickstarter.  I imagine people from all over the world would be interested in throwing their money at you for making a documented attempt at a large battery bank for Wheaton Labs.   
     
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    I'm kind of confuse as to what's going on here...is at that members of the website are paying people at Wheaton labs to get projects done over there?
     
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    Adam Blacksheep wrote:I'm kind of confuse as to what's going on here...is at that members of the website are paying people at Wheaton labs to get projects done over there?



    If they want to. 

    Wheaton Labs is an experimental permaculture property.  They try various permaculture theories and put them into practice, then document what works.

    It looks like this Biological Reverse Kickstarter is an incentive to get more people documenting these experiments.

    It is also a way to show support for The Empire in general.  Having a free forum that we can use to talk about fun topics in a friendly way means a lot to me. 



    I pledge $5 for First Boot to post a video a day for 30 days
    Sorry, it's not much, but it all adds up. 
    Staff note (Bill Erickson):

    I've added your pledge, R.

     
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    and then I'll arrange for transfer of funds/delivery of goods. 



    Bill, can you elaborate on how that will work?  In the past (e.g. Gapper Love, Ant Love, ...), some people needed/wanted other stuff more than money.  Maybe they didn't have a (working) bank account, or hated paypal, or were at the Labs to escape consumerism and didn't want it back in, or didn't want to spend their limited time on the 'net shopping, or ... or ...  Probably some residents would like a reward of better food, but getting that requires a rare trip to town, with maybe doesn't fit on the Boot schedule very well.  (Or maybe it does.  I haven't seen.)

    I think there've been some features added to the Permies platform that might support micropayments.  So question is somewhat about that. 

    But also, question is about getting truly wanted stuff into residents' hands.  Me, I have no special access to antique tools, and I can't come there and cook a meal.  I only have Amazon and electronic cash transfer services, and those haven't seemed to be the most wanted, most helpful, most motivating items so far.


     
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    What's a boot? Or what kind of Who is a boot? I'm not even exactly sure what a Kickstarter is either...? Then to biologically reverse one I can guess a kickstarter is a crowd-funding site?  If so I got an idea ... or a wish for posterity. Either way, it's clear we need to make more oxygen and sequester more carbon as while "global warming" supplanted Ozone Layer loss in the media, doubtless it's still and likely is more an issue today, than way back when the ball was dropped. Microalgae is the fastest growing plant in the world, so then fastest at making oxygen and sequestering carbon. Can be grown to become lipid (fat, oil) heavy, fed to cars, animals and to have a respectable EFA profile for human consumption, better than fish oils too (important): https://draxe.com/algal-oil/

    We can grow microalgae within a closed photobioreactor so water medium is not lost to evaporation. Then grown on non-arable desertified land algae wont displace food crop land for land to grow fuel crops. In North America algae was more often grown for machine fuel. https://www.energy.gov/eere/videos/energy-101-algae-fuel

    A photobioreactor can be made of glass or food grade plastic, as i've been schooled on elsewhere here, to eliminate leaching from desert heat. Then angled to catch the sun and have solar powered lights on inside to maximize photosynthesis. If this were done on scale it would make O2 & CO2 on scale.
     
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    Mike Jay wrote:Successfully brood a batch of chicks under a hen/duck/turkey



    Is that an "any Resident" or Boot only thing, Mike?
     
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    I don't know, I was just throwing out different ideas to get people's minds working.  I was imagining it for ants because I think they are there longer.  But I don't know enough about the other sorts of residents so it could apply to more people.  As always, it's up to the person making the pledge.  I was just brainstorming to get people thinking about things other than videos and photos (not that they aren't nice too)
     
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    Kerry Rodgers wrote:

    and then I'll arrange for transfer of funds/delivery of goods. 



    Bill, can you elaborate on how that will work?  In the past (e.g. Gapper Love, Ant Love, ...), some people needed/wanted other stuff more than money.  Maybe they didn't have a (working) bank account, or hated paypal, or were at the Labs to escape consumerism and didn't want it back in, or didn't want to spend their limited time on the 'net shopping, or ... or ...  Probably some residents would like a reward of better food, but getting that requires a rare trip to town, with maybe doesn't fit on the Boot schedule very well.  (Or maybe it does.  I haven't seen.)

    I think there've been some features added to the Permies platform that might support micropayments.  So question is somewhat about that. 

    But also, question is about getting truly wanted stuff into residents' hands.  Me, I have no special access to antique tools, and I can't come there and cook a meal.  I only have Amazon and electronic cash transfer services, and those haven't seemed to be the most wanted, most helpful, most motivating items so far.



    Kerry, I'll see if I can make some sense here. Basically I'm going to be the conduit for making sure the "artifact creator" and the pledge get put together once the artifact is made. Folks doing the pledging then offer up what artifact they'd like to see and whatever they are willing and able to pledge. If there is an existing one they want to pile in on, whether it be $10 cash money or something tangible, and I'll make the transfer. The transfer for cash is going to be whatever we need to make it happen, whether electronic or physical. For physical items, we'll likely have them sent to the mailing address for Base Camp/the Lab, and I'll deliver them personally. All the rewards you've listed are entirely doable with this venture.

    The idea here is to provide challenges and rewards to the Boots, Ants and other residents at the Lab with things that folks on permies want to see happen. Put cash or physical goods in the hands of folks being creative in ways that help with forward motion for permaculture.

    Hope that helps.
     
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    Dominic Crolius wrote:Lead acid batteries suck.  The price is very high.  They are disposable after about 7-10 years.  They are full of toxic materials like lead and emit toxic gases.  They also require gentle care and the slightest snafu will destroy all of them.  I have done a bit of research into the Thomas Edison nickel iron batteries.  They seem low tech, safe, cheaper, and they get better with age.  I worked on the railroad and they had some from the land before time that still did a great job.  (I'm guessing 40's)  They lose charge quicker than lead acid, but if it lasts for a hundred years does it matter?  Holy crap are they heavy, but they can be treated like crap and still work wonderfully.  Some of the methods used to make nickel iron batteries seem doable.  I have seen folks on youtube making tiny versions only.  I have read the few posts on permies regarding them.  Great reading, but the only options seemed to be Edison batteries, the commercial route.  $1k for a 12 volt 100 amp Edison.  One of the biggest costs would appear to be nickel at first glance.  I do pottery and powdered nickel is not very expensive.  I would put 200 toward a good how to video or a horrible failure with lots of expletives.

    As a lover of all things conspiracy I'm guessing the Exide company stopped making these batteries because they lasted too long.  It didn't work with our planned obsolescence society.  Enter the compact fluorescent.
    Helpful reading if you choose to accept this challenge:
    https://ironedison.com/nickel-iron-ni-fe-battery
    https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms1921
    https://www.noonco.com/edison/improvements.htm



    I meant to add I think this would make a great kickstarter.  I imagine people from all over the world would be interested in throwing their money at you for making a documented attempt at a large battery bank for Wheaton Labs.



    That's a heck of a project, Dominic! Would you like to see it as a "Boot only" or an "any Resident" project?

    Seriously, that would be a heck of a traditional Kickstarter!

     
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    Ok, I have stage fright, but here goes... I want to lower the barrier to entry...

    I'm offering $20 each to the next 5 residents who start or continue a blog thread in the "wheaton laboratories" forum. 

    What's a blog thread? 
    * It has a thread title that contains your first name (or pseudonym) and role at the labs, e.g. "Boot-side chats with Elvira".
    * It has media post(s) about anything at the labs: people, projects, places, existing artifacts, wildcrafting, campfire butt warming, electric tractor, anything.

    To be one of the qualifiers, you just need to make one post with either 3 photos or 1 video.  They don't have to be polished and edited, as long as they depict something clearly.  It's nice to say who you are, if you are comfortable with that, but it's not a requirement for this bounty.

    Here's a good example post.  Here's another one.

    You could even get paid today, if the $$ transfer is ready to go!
    Staff note (Bill Erickson):

    And added! - Thanks, Kerry!

     
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    Project: 1 hour of cleaning---rooms after people have left and didn't wash their sheets (not that that will ever happen again, right?)

    Offer: I can offer an Alexander Technique Body-mind Education session of 1 hour by video (or in person if you somehow wind up in Boston)  I will make my schedule available, and am quite able to be flexible to accommodate an Ant or Boot's time needs.  Alexander Tehcnique helped Victornix (Swiss Army knives) manufacturing plant workers increase productivity by %40 while reducing injuries.  It is permaculture principles applied to the self.  I would love to offer money but have to focus my monetary resources at this time.

    Project: plant one chestnut tree (European, American back-bred, or straight American) each year at the Lab.  The goal is to have a 600-year-old tree in 600 years, or at least a 300-year-old one in 300 years.  So varieties that have never been observed to have lived that long are not OK for this project.

    Offer: $20 per planting, for 10 years, and I'll ship you the chestnut in husk if you want, though I admit I have yet to find a source after a bunch of searching so you might have better luck looking yourself.  No need to hardware cloth it or deerproof it, just plant it however you desire, "sheer total utter neglect" is fine.  If the rodents eat it it wasn't meant to be.  I'm putting $20 in an envelope right now.



    Project: photograph the temperatures in a wofati with a still camera, at random times of day, daily, for one year.  Set up a thermometer and point a camera or a phone camera at it.  (turn off everything else on that phone, especially the cellular data feature and the service, so it's only recording a file).  Battery will have to be recharged every week, probably, or else run off a really little solar panel. 

    Offer: I can offer an Alexander Technique Body-mind Education session of 1 hour by video (or in person if you somehow wind up in Boston)  I will make my schedule available, and am quite able to be flexible to accommodate an Ant or Boot's time needs.  Alexander Tehcnique helped Victornix (Swiss Army knives) manufacturing plant workers increase productivity by %40 while reducing injuries.  It is permaculture principles applied to the self.  I would love to offer money but have to focus my monetary resources at this time.

    Comment: Can Bill, or someone, set up an escrow account for money pledges? 
    So that the Boots or Ants or others can have more certainty that people will make good on their pledges, you could request that the I'd suggest that money be put into an escrow account of someone who is physically present (I gather that's Bill, if not then maybe Paul or Jocelyn or Fred would be willing to handle that).  I'm willing to do the work myself but you don't know me and I'm 2000 miles away.

    I'm still not sure I get the biological reverse kickstarter concept here...my apologies if I'm missing the point.
    Staff note (Bill Erickson):

    Josh, your challenges have been added. For the monetary plegdes, instead of us holding the pledge, we ask that the folks issuing the challenge hold it until the artifact is created/completed. Once things meet the indvidual's criteria, I'll ensure the pledge is still there and available. For the chestnuts please send them to the mailing address for Wheaton Labs. c/o paul wheaton 2120 s reserve #351 missoula, mt 59801

     
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    Joshua, I love your offer, especially since it has rewards that are non-currency!

    I'm still not sure I get the biological reverse kickstarter concept here.


    Here's what I've gathered:
    It is "kickstarter" because it is crowd funding.
    It is "reverse" because the sponsors (rather than the creators) are pitching the projects.
    It is "biological" because Bill is personally running it, as opposed to algorithms running in a datacenter.

    Possibly the term was defined in the referenced podcast.  I've fallen behind on the podcasts, now that I don't have a long commute anymore.

    I think your offer is right on!
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    Kerry, great explanation - we may steal that! have an apple!

     
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    I believe in a tour video I watched that there are some projects on Allerton Abby that need to be done.  Door that jams, cob work, etc.   If someone familiar with the needs of the lab could suggest some projects, maybe folks out here would be willing to fund them?
     
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    Nick Dimitri wrote:What's a boot? Or what kind of Who is a boot? I'm not even exactly sure what a Kickstarter is either...? Then to biologically reverse one I can guess a kickstarter is a crowd-funding site?  If so I got an idea ... or a wish for posterity. Either way, it's clear we need to make more oxygen and sequester more carbon as while "global warming" supplanted Ozone Layer loss in the media, doubtless it's still and likely is more an issue today, than way back when the ball was dropped. Microalgae is the fastest growing plant in the world, so then fastest at making oxygen and sequestering carbon. Can be grown to become lipid (fat, oil) heavy, fed to cars, animals and to have a respectable EFA profile for human consumption, better than fish oils too (important): https://draxe.com/algal-oil/

    We can grow microalgae within a closed photobioreactor so water medium is not lost to evaporation. Then grown on non-arable desertified land algae wont displace food crop land for land to grow fuel crops. In North America algae was more often grown for machine fuel. https://www.energy.gov/eere/videos/energy-101-algae-fuel

    A photobioreactor can be made of glass or food grade plastic, as i've been schooled on elsewhere here, to eliminate leaching from desert heat. Then angled to catch the sun and have solar powered lights on inside to maximize photosynthesis. If this were done on scale it would make O2 & CO2 on scale.



    Nick, how would you like to define the challenge and do you want to make a pledge?

    I'm thinking along the lines of:

    X number of Portable photobioreactors made from glass (aka HUSP compliant).
    or
    Photobioreactor structure made with glass and materials off the Lab (also HUSP compliant)

    Is that what you are thinking of here?
     
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    I'd like to support the Lending Library so I'm going to offer a hand-painted dragon egg to whoever does that. Said dragon egg to be painted in up to three colors of your choice (please specify the base color). Also please note: actual dragon not included. I've been meaning to take pictures of the eggs I've done, so I'll step that up and post so people can get an idea of how they look.

    No specific requests for how it's done, just take a look at the Little Free Libraries link for ideas and then put your own spin on it.
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    Molly, your pledge has been added. Very awesome!

     
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    I'd love to see pictures of your dragon eggs, Molly! Perhaps I should add a matching felted dragon for the lending library...
     
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    Put me down for $20 for each of the Moon Gate and junkpole gate projects.  It's not much, but maybe some other people will join me?? 

    Come on, don't you want to see some more lovely gates, y'all?
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    Julia, your pledge has been added. Hope I got it right!

     
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    Nicole Alderman wrote:I'd love to see pictures of your dragon eggs, Molly! Perhaps I should add a matching felted dragon for the lending library...



    That would be awesome, Nicole!
     
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    You can put me down for the following…

    First Boot to post a pic a day for 30 days
    $200

    First Boot to post a pic a day for 90 days
    $500

    Any Boot to post a pic a day for 30 days
    $50

    Any Boot to post a pic a day for 90 days
    $100

    First Resident that posts a pic a day for 30 days
    $200

    First Resident that posts a pic a day for 90 days
    $500

    Any Resident that posts a pic a day for 30 days
    $100

    Any Resident that posts a pic a day for 90 days
    $200

    One that I'd like to add:

    First resident to harvest a dozen eggs from on-site chickens in a single day
    $240
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    And done! Thank you, Kyle!

     
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    We are very poor (aren't we all) but we would like to offer a stay on our finca for anyone who happens to go travelling in Spain, including all meals and molestations by two boxer dogs without boundaries, for doing anything awesome determined by Jocelyn in the next couple of years. We are on the winter route but could pick up from Santiago de Compostela or A Coruña. Hope that makes sense.....
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    And added, Amanda! That is an awesome thing to do!

     
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    Thanks Kerry for giving me pie! that is so generous of you.  I tried to purple moosage but it didn't work for the moment but now the site is working.

    I had posted a list of Paul's needs that I heard from the recent podcast, and I'll post it again here.  I selfishly want some of these things to get moving forward, because then more good stuff will be able to happen.  I post this in case it inspires others thinking about things to fund:

    * Paul would like a person with an MBA (Master's in Business Administration) to make Wheaton Labs run in the black and make use of hte opportunities here.

    * event coordinator who will really do the work, and move around the hurdles that inevitably will come up.

    * rental manager who will "

    * more women, gender balance;

    * women friends for Jocelyn

    * People to clean up their rooms when they're leaving , esp. washing sheets

    * People keeping their word more

    * Paul choosing not to trust as many people's word (for example maybe taking a chance on trusting someone's word only %20 of the time for this year, then expanding that when he's got more reserves and can afford to take people at their word), or having some other solution to people not following through.


    Kerry Rodgers wrote:Joshua, I love your offer, especially since it has rewards that are non-currency!

    I'm still not sure I get the biological reverse kickstarter concept here.


    Here's what I've gathered:
    It is "kickstarter" because it is crowd funding.
    It is "reverse" because the sponsors (rather than the creators) are pitching the projects.
    It is "biological" because Bill is personally running it, as opposed to algorithms running in a datacenter.

    Possibly the term was defined in the referenced podcast.  I've fallen behind on the podcasts, now that I don't have a long commute anymore.

    I think your offer is right on!

     
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    Now for some pony up. Whoever wants it.


    Aldo Leopold benches : https://www.aldoleopold.org/event/leopold-bench-building/

    Well, that seems fair $125 , up to 4 benches
    $175 if they are made without metal fasteners  / glues


    Other bench types $75 / bench up to 4.

    Note, it's not a functional bench unless Paul can sit in it.  ( doll house or children's benches are not the intent ) 

    The more lovely, sustainable, and long term durable the better.


    $250 for a weather proof and critter resistant safer place for books.  


    Trail markings / map / path signs.   This sorta stuff... but greener : https://www.nps.gov/noco/learn/management/upload/NCT_CH7.REV.pdf

    Dollars ? no idea.  
    $150 for a cartoonish overall map of the lab or the non lab , eventually suitable for printing or a big poster sized trail head display board.



    Find a good spot for long term picture registration / setup a monument so one can take pictures every year for a century from the exact same place.
    $250 for finding the right place ( passing pw/co + Fred approval ) , $250 for the monument

    Generic lab audio
    $10 /  hour for the first 10 hours of something interesting and relatively devoid of people or machines making noise   ( nature sounds, a thunderstorm, turkeys migrating, sunrise, sunset)

    Day long time laps video, on a clear day, for one of the lab structures showing off how the sun moves.  $150  ( if ti works out well, we should do one for each structure, prices TBD, we can work something out if it's good stuff and useful. )


    Getting a botanical map of the lab would be interesting to me.  It's probably a good idea to get some 'before pictures' for the later to show up 'after pictures'.  
    https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb1044175.pdf  ; maybe?   not sure on that yet.

















     
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    Molly Kay wrote:

    Nicole Alderman wrote:I'd love to see pictures of your dragon eggs, Molly! Perhaps I should add a matching felted dragon for the lending library...



    That would be awesome, Nicole!



    You've convinced me! I'll go add one matching, hand-felted dragon to the little library!
     
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