Going poo-less: No Shampoo/Soap in the Shower

Nancy Reading wrote:Next step soapless, which will be more of a challenge. Getting past the bad body odour possibilities, so I need a plan for this!

I recommend to go boldly forward and just see what results you get!  No plan necessary.  Of course, everybody is different, both in preferences and in body chemistry, but I a suspect most of your apprehension is just in your head.

When I first abandoned the use of soap in the shower - more than a few years ago now - it was the easiest thing I ever did.  No greasy transition period, no increased body odor.  Just one less step for the same results.  Lots of hot water!  That's what I recommend for your plan : )

Having said that, I take showers.  You bathe.  I can't personally attest to how that might change the dynamics and affect your results.

Nancy, since you liked my 1 year update from a year ago here’s another.

My hair only really gets washed now if it gets really dirty, smoke or major dust, even then hot water only.
It’s still just past shoulder length, it reached terminal length about 10 years ago..

If I working on the bikes and get greasy, I’m as likely to got for the dish detergent as for the hand soap but I try to wear gloves.

I shower dailyish with just hot water, deodorant is just one of those rock crystals (lasts for months!) and comb hair twice every day.
I clean my comb as I go, as it does gather sebum deposits.

My only ‘conventional’ practices are dental, brush twice a day and floss when I remember and cream for my psoriasis. The cream is basically a moisturiser with vitamin D (Calcipotriol / Dovonex).

Question for long-haired poo-less people!

Does it take you longer to wash your hair with just water / other alternative way than what it took when you used shampoo?

I find it takes a bit longer for me. I have been really lazy with washing my hair though, and it might be that if I did it more regularly, it would take a shorter time.


My naturally curly hair love poo-less. I never thought it would be so easy to live with my hair! :D I do use a natural bar shampoo at times (if there's actually something that needs more than water to wash away, and in the swimming hall). I do have seeds for Saponaria officinalis (common soapwort), and I'm planning to move on using to that instead of buying bar shampoos. :)

I do not take showers or baths.

I have long hair (to my waist), i never shampoo or wet it at all, except around once a month when I henna/indigo it. I just 2x daily, "scritch" and "scratch" (fingernail and fingertip scalp massage),  and comb with sandalwood comb and real horn comb. I never use soaps, shampoo, or water at all on my hair, except the henna/indigo paste and rinsing it out, around every 4 weeks. I agree with above mention, of cleaning one's combs every so often of sebum. I use a strip of dental floss to clean between the tines of the combs. I only do this when i notice that combing doesn't seem to be effective on removing grease. Then i know it is time to clean the combs.

For my body, i do a "Tudor" style dry bath (from the book "How to Live Like a Tudor"), with real linen rags and a spritzer bottle of distilled rainwater. The only body part for which i use soap are my feet.

This keeps me smelling sweet all day. I noticed when i went to town and used city water, that i started to smell during the morning. So i re-washed with some of my distilled rainwater which i had packed, and that corrected it!

I have been washing this way for years now. It is nice to be free of the toiletries and also to use so much less water. I have also previously tried soapwort, soapnuts, vinegar, baking soda, and shampoo bars, and this current has worked best for me.

I also just brush my teeth with baking soda, with the blessing of my dentist for over 10 years. Followed with flossing and occasional diluted peroxide swishing for brightening.

Saaana my upper back length hair gets a water only wash onc a month or less except when I’v been near a fire or bbq. If anything, I’ve found it to be quicker when I do wash it.

James, how ofter do you brush your hair? I was just talking about poo-less with a friend and came to the conclusion that the brushing is the key, especially in the beginning. Due to having curls I'm doing that really rarely (basicly only when I'm going to wash my hair, but not every time).

Muahaha, the permaculture response of "it depends" goes here too! Different hair types need different kind of care. :)

Meli, thank you for writing out your routine, I will look up "tudor" style dry bath!

I comb it at least once, preferably twice every day.

I use the comb below, not anything fine tooth!



I usually take just a couple of minutes, I will drag a hem through the tines to remove some of the sebum a couple of times during use.

My hair is fairly curly naturally (ringlets when short), so it spends 99% of the time in a pony tail with the tail being a fairly scraggly mess.

In some answers I saw 'combing' and 'brushing' mentioned. I finally found a wooden comb (again, my last one was broken many years ago, I think it even was before 2000). I knew it was better for my hair to use a wooden comb than a plastic one, but there were no shops in my region selling wooden combs.

Yes, the comb needs cleaning, but that isn't hard to do. I comb my hair two or three times a day (in the morning and the evening, sometimes inbetween too). It is not really long, I had it short for years, but now let it grow a little longer.

I do wash my hair with water, about once a week. Or in fact it isn't my hair I wash, but my scalp. I wait until my head is becoming 'itchy', and then I wash, under the shower. This washing doesn't take long, one or two minutes.

Abe Connally wrote:

Going "'poo-less" - what it means, how to do it, and everything else you might need to know

Podcast 149 - No soap or Shampoo

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alex caldwell wrote:

Abe Connally wrote:

Going "'poo-less" - what it means, how to do it, and everything else you might need to know

Podcast 149 - No soap or Shampoo

This link is not resolving correctly. Seems like it tries to take to you editing a post instead of podcast 149

should be https://permies.com/t/17010/podcast-soap-shampoo

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Podcast 149 - No soap or Shampoo

Seems like the [url] tag got messed up

Good catch!  I think i fixed it.

I have a friend that seals her chinaberry soap up in small jars while it's super hot and it keeps very well.


Have been making really effective psoriasis 'poo by boiling up chinaberries (in the neem family), straining then using.
Works soooo much better than any store bought 'poos, even all then natural ones and it's effects last days longer.
Doesn't seem to keep well (week without refrig) but I just make smaller batches.

Everyone around here hates the chinaberry (invasive) but I'm finding many uses for it. Nice wood that cures up very light and is strong. Coppices and pollards like crazy and super fast grower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melia_azedarach

Mmmm.

I stopped using soap in the shower about 20 years ago except for when I'm really grimy from a particular dirty job.  I'm late 50's and work as an artisan boat builder and run a small holding.  When I stopped using soap I found I rarely got spots or rashes, my skin sensitivity reduced significantly and my skin stopped feeling dry.
I'd used a variety of soaps over the years.
My hands and forearms do get good soaping at times because they do get grubby.

I stopped using shampoo about 10 years ago.  My hair felt pretty thick and grimy for a few weeks and then it was fine.  Occasionally I've had to do work that has meant my hair needed a dam good wash - such as when I lime rendered a straw bale barn and had the lime dust was deep into my hair.  One good was with a general shampoo for normal hair sorts it out and I'm back to water washing again.

Can't see the point in stripping your hair and skin of natural oils when they manage themselves well without intervention.

I am pretty social and run various workshops and used to work as a full time school teacher (so I'm not a smelly hermit) and never had issues with people avoiding my or holding their noses.  

I've been pooless for a few years now, I always give my hair a good rinse in water but nothing else. It keeps well and is comfortable, I did have the itches in the first month as my bod shrugged off all the awful chemicals.  

I've not gone as far as no soap, more research required, although we do use a non-industrially made soap from a croft up the coast called Rose Cottage Croft Soap.

I went on a date the other day with someone I barely know... While she was preparing, she felt worried about not using soap/shampoo. Then she had the thought, "Duh! There is no way that Joseph would be using soap or shampoo".

Sure enough, we talked and discovered that we are kindred spirits -- that we value the microbes that live on us, and mistrust the chemicals found in soaps.