Mike Jay wrote:Thanks for trying the photos again! Is there a problem with the open area to the northeast of the house?
Now that I see the third photo is of option B I think I'd still go for that one. It looks like the satellite picture was taken in midsummer. If you look at the shade in the picture, and you remove those two/three trees, it should make for a decent patch of sunlight from the southern part of Option B all the way to the northern edge of Option A. Maybe we could call it Option C?
Kenneth Elwell wrote:What about an option "D" , take out the trees along the roadway between your options A and B (possibly leaving the two oaks mentioned in Mike's option C in place?)
You would open up just as much area, but also gain the clearing to the West that is the roadway (for free, and guaranteed to not fill in with new trees)
Your new fruit trees would soon block the street/neighbor view as they fill in.
p.s. Howdy neighbor! (I'm from Chelmsford Mass. originally)
J Davis wrote:Some good advice already provided.
If you are flexible on what fruit to grow, another option would be to take out the evergreens and thin the canopy then grow shade tolerant fruit.
Understory fruit trees that will produce in partial sun include paw paw and persimmon. Both are Hardy.
Mike Jay wrote:How about guerilla gardening in the cul-de-sac circle? Looks pretty barren now. Maybe you could even do out-in-the-open gardening in the circle. Put a bunch of flowering trees and shrubs that just happen to all be permaculture plants in there. Heck, it could be a great way to show how permaculture can look pretty if one wants to. Flowers for the pollinators, etc.
William Bronson wrote:I skimmed this thread, after I saw the price tag.
How much vacant land, how close to the house, could $5000.00 buy?
Got a mortgage?
How much would $5000.00 to the principle lower your monthly bill?
I'm poor, so that seems like a lot of money.
I can't see spending that much on destroying trees to grow others,no matter how useful the new trees might be.
William Bronson wrote:Ah, I get it.
I have spent $500.00 on tools for making money.
If I had spent it on my mortgage,it would have helped, a little, but not not in a satisfying way.
I wonder if there is anything you could buy for a like amount that would let you do it yourself .
I don't know anything about the cost of heavy equipment, but that's the calculation I usually make.
For example, I can buy a lot for less than what a PDC costs, so that's what I did .
I'm probably thinking too small, but trimming the trees, growing understory plants and if far enough away from the infrastructure , girdling , are the things I would pursue.
Mike Jay wrote:Hmm, "pulling on it with his F350"... Is he a licensed and insured professional? The guys around here that charge $500 per tree have a winch system on a big truck to pull with. I think I'd get a second quote. Maybe I'm overly nervous though...
Mike Jay wrote:Ok, good. My nervous antennae were just perking up on your behalf.
Josh Garbo wrote:My property is about the same size and similarly wooded. I was able to remove most of the non-desirable hardwoods with a wedge, sledge, and chainsaw. Then I used the slash to make brush piles and the logs for terracing/firewood. I'd recommend removing the trees away from the house yourself; I can't see your top two pictures at the moment, but I think you only have a few trees near your house?
Bryant RedHawk wrote:Now that I have seen all the photos I have to second Mike Jay's assessment. Good tree folks around where I live tend to top the tall trees first then take them down to the ground.
If you can leave some tallish stumps you could inoculate with mushroom plugs so you would have mushroom crops for several years before the stumps would begin to go away.
Mike Jay wrote:Woo hoo, more photos! For folks reading this thread, the picture order changed in the first post.
Hi Davis, it's hard to tell from the photos exactly, but I think this is what I'd do. Pluck out the trees with red X's and put the trees/bushes in the blue circle. You could likely extend the blue around the trees to the north depending on how much shade they cast on their own feet.
There might be more trees below and to the right of the camera in attached photo, in which case the blue circle may not come as close to the camera as I drew it...
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