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Hello

I am using my chickens as my composters and feed them all kinds of veggie/fruit leftovers. The compost is used in my garden beds, but since I am unfamiliar with how some vegetables look in their early stages, if I weed too early, I may take out some volunteer plants. How do people here generally deal with this? At what point do you weed your beds? My predicament is the earlier you do it, the easier it is to remove weeds but you may eliminate some awesome plants.

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Well there is all sorts of approaches to unwanted plants. If the area is small enough pulling them after they are large enough to identify shouldn't be much work. Covering that area a.s.a.p. with wanted plants and/or seeds will make that a one time thing (or close to). If the area is large then several things can help reduce work. Over-seeding an area right away can reduce the introduction and space left for pesky pioneering plants. Also, attitudes towards these plants can change so the work is diminished or cancelled. Many of these pioneering plants actually are beneficial to other plants and soil life. I usually only keep certain plants in mind when "weeding". Often the plants in the garden will out compete them in the end so I let it go. Unwanted grass is usually one of those things I keep out for the most part. Anything that might be super poisonous and accidentally eaten is another. Most broad leaf plants I leave. If space becomes an issue it is easy to chop and plant something in it's place. I probably missed a few approaches but for the most part I think the important thing is to think about if the "weeding" is needed and then reduce the need or eliminate the need to do it again.
 
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In time, you will be able to identify a huge number of weeds and edible plants when they are just millimeters tall. Often before the true leaves even emerge.
I'd say this is the most notable change in perception after a decade of gardening.
Also, it's among the top mistakes I see with new gardeners. People point to a pile of weeds they've removed and I go through ID'ing all the edibles they just uprooted.
Permaculture gardens sometimes look like a mess of tangled weeds and many of us have stories about people 'helping' us weed and just pulling all the veg out or mowing over the whole lot.
Observation is everything.

Weeds won't interfere with other plants or get too lodged in the soil when they are young.
As many weeds are mineral-rich, I like to grow them up a few inches, before turning them into a green mulch on the spot.
Some weeds can be left completely and do not compete to any great degree.
Chickens destroy seed in their crop, but tomato seed seems to survive in numbers.
Tomato seedlings look a bit like 'farmers friend' (Bidens pilosa) for the first couple of days.
Tomatillo seedlings look a bit like Black Nightshade for the first week.

Usually topping soil/compost with mulch is a good idea, but delaying it can net you a regular batch of volunteers.
I pull the mulch back in winter so the soil's seedbank full of lettuce can sprout.
Tomatos and chillis come up around the border of the garden year-round, so need no encouragement.
 
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I'm at a new property, with lots of volunteers and weeds coming up intermixed - it's crazy!

instead of approaching with the mindset of pulling everything that's not food, approach it this way - I only pull things I KNOW are weeds.  

The only thing I KNOW is a weed(beside the mustard, sowthistle, and milkweed I want to keep) is Oxalis. I pull ONLY Oxalis until I can identify another(usually when they set flowers or seed).  

you can also post pictures here of your weed suspicions, and maybe some of us can identify them?
 
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Dustin Rhodes wrote:
The only thing I KNOW is a weed(beside the mustard, sowthistle, and milkweed I want to keep) is Oxalis. I pull ONLY Oxalis until I can identify another(usually when they set flowers or seed).  
you can also post pictures here of your weed suspicions, and maybe some of us can identify them?



Oh man, there is a plant where I live that we call oxalis that is sooooo tasty! It has a sort of citrus-like flavor to it. Maybe it's an identification error on our part?

You can also go the other direction and mulch it right after and only introduce the plants you want. Although, I think a lot of us would agree the experience of watching volunteers grow and the mystery of what it could be (of course with time you will be able to identify them) is really rewarding and a good learning experience.
 
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Maarten Smet wrote:Hello

I am using my chickens as my composters and feed them all kinds of veggie/fruit leftovers. The compost is used in my garden beds, but since I am unfamiliar with how some vegetables look in their early stages, if I weed too early, I may take out some volunteer plants. How do people here generally deal with this? At what point do you weed your beds? My predicament is the earlier you do it, the easier it is to remove weeds but you may eliminate some awesome plants.

Thanks

Maarten



There are no weeds, there are plants that grow where we don't want them.
The cure for this predicament is to wait till you know which you want to call a volunteer and which you want to call a weed, then just slice the ones that are weeds at ground level and compost them or feed them to the chooks or simply lay the cut top on the ground where you cut it to act as a mulch layer.

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S Wesley wrote: Oh man, there is a plant where I live that we call oxalis that is sooooo tasty! It has a sort of citrus-like flavor to it. Maybe it's an identification error on our part?



No it's the same plant, I like the taste too! Unfortunately it has several counts against it, so I will only grow a little in the future(that is, if my Oxalic Acid distillation testing doesn't work - https://permies.com/t/101650/Oxalic-Acid-wood-bleaching).

- It grows EVERYWHERE on my property, stealing precious water and shading out my current and future more important plants.
- both my father and father in law have Gout, and oxalic acid is bad for gout(even toxic at extremely high concentrations).
- My wife doesn't like the taste

so, it's not worth it for me; that doesn't mean its bad though.
 
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My first eatable out of the garden are weeds. Learning which ones are eatable cuts down on my weeding. I don’t plant many spring greens, just because I have such a plentiful supply of weeds. Lambs quarter, plantain, dandelion, mallow, on second thought I’ve mulched so heavily I might not get my normal crop.
 
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