“Action on behalf of life transforms. Because the relationship between self and the world is reciprocal, it is not a question of first getting enlightened or saved and then acting. As we work to heal the earth, the earth heals us.” ~ Robin Wall Kimmerer
The wishbone never could replace the backbone.
So here I am. Feeling sad, angry and confused on father's day. I know I'm doing the right thing for my own emotional health, but it still sucks. Even more so when I start thinking about how he's probably sitting around sulking that none of his children will talk to him without bothering to consider that maybe it might have been because of his behavior.
Thanks, Y'all!
Sonja Draven wrote:Heather, I'm in the same boat. It's definitely both comforting and sad not to be alone. My older sister and I were just talking about it this morning. Neither of us have any contact with our dad because he's not capable of having a healthy relationship and neither of us are interested in what he offers. A lot of what you described absolutely fits him.
It's more painful for her than it is for me at this point. I'm mostly in acceptance. And seeing good fathers, 98% of the time just makes me so happy that they exist and that there are people lucky enough to have them. But I very much remember the years of pain and anger and those feelings do still come up at times and I'll feel a bit blindsided.
Internet hugs back to you. And again, you're not alone.
Stacie Kim wrote:I wish I could reach through the web and give you and Sonja a big ol' Mama Bear Hug.
Sounds like you've been dealt a bunch of "generational curses." People who had bad parents, who then became bad parents and messed up their kids. That curse can end with you.
You can be strong. You can be the adult in the relationship now. Your father can face the consequences of your not calling him, because he needs to realize that YOU need to take care of YOU. He is no longer your proverbial "ball and chain" anymore.
But in all this, please try to forgive him. That doesn't mean you forget all the bad yuck and let him hurt you again. I mean forgive him by not giving him free rent in your head anymore. This is easier said than done, I know. Perhaps every time a bad memory comes up, you can try to remember something good in its place. If you can't think of any good memories, try to think of a positive male you've known in your life and appreciate a constructive impact he made in you.
“Action on behalf of life transforms. Because the relationship between self and the world is reciprocal, it is not a question of first getting enlightened or saved and then acting. As we work to heal the earth, the earth heals us.” ~ Robin Wall Kimmerer
“The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe.”― Albert Einstein
Heather Sharpe wrote:
Unfortunately, I'd guess I'm not the only one who had a crappy dad and might be struggling today. I found this: If Your Father's Day Sucks, which helped a little bit. Thought maybe it might help someone else too.
6. You can pick a different dad. I have a friend whose imaginary dad is a TV character. Not even a human. It’s Lion-O from “Thundercats.” Hey, whatever works. That can be the dad you picture.
The wishbone never could replace the backbone.
Sonja Draven wrote:
Going no contact (which actually isn't super hard once you stop giving them what they want... They aren't as interested in sustaining a relationship) helped a ton. It's easier to forgive someone who isn't still poking you repeatedly with a stick.
The wishbone never could replace the backbone.
Tereza said "Good thoughts for those folks in this situation.
I also grew up in similar circumstances and instead of fighting back I fled. Didn't talk to my family for many years, didn't allow contact with my children
Invasive plants are Earth's way of insisting we notice her medicines. Stephen Herrod Buhner
Everyone learns what works by learning what doesn't work. Stephen Herrod Buhner
Ellendra Nauriel wrote:
.....I haven't even managed my escape yet, and Mom keeps scolding me for not being closer to my father. She knows exactly what he's like, I'm the one she vents to when she can't handle him anymore.
“The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe.”― Albert Einstein
Anne Miller wrote:....
Our son disowned himself from us because he says he didn't like the way his father treated me. Hey, I knew what I was getting. It was my choice. .....
We don't get to chose our parents though we do get to chose how we live our lives. .....
“The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe.”― Albert Einstein
John said "do you you have the same insights *today* versus when you met your husband as to why you decided to marry him and start a family?
John said "if you've ever shared any of these with your son, which may help explain to him why you tolerated some possibly degrading behavior by your husband.
Invasive plants are Earth's way of insisting we notice her medicines. Stephen Herrod Buhner
Everyone learns what works by learning what doesn't work. Stephen Herrod Buhner
And he said, "I want to live as an honest man, to get all I deserve, and to give all I can, and to love a young woman whom I don't understand. Your Highness, your ways are very strange."
Anne Miller wrote:...... I have not heard stories from the 5th and 6th generation though I suspected from what I know about the 7th generation that it was there, also.
“The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe.”― Albert Einstein
Ellendra Nauriel wrote:From that link:
6. You can pick a different dad. I have a friend whose imaginary dad is a TV character. Not even a human. It’s Lion-O from “Thundercats.” Hey, whatever works. That can be the dad you picture.
Elrond. That was who my "imaginary dad" was, starting just a couple years after the first LOTR movie came out. He still is.
You would not believe how much that technique helps. I even tried to send Hugo Weaving a father's day card once, with an explanation of how much his character affected my life. It came back unopened, I apparently had the wrong address, but that's ok. It was the act of sending it that felt right, not necessarily him reading it.
I didn't know that choosing a fictional dad was an established coping technique. I thought it was just me being crazy.
Ellendra Nauriel wrote:How do you handle other relatives trying to guilt you into keeping or re-establishing the relationship?
I haven't even managed my escape yet, and Mom keeps scolding me for not being closer to my father. She knows exactly what he's like, I'm the one she vents to when she can't handle him anymore. But somehow, it's still my fault that he and I aren't close. And if I mention any of the things he's done? Oh, then I'm a bad person for not "forgiving" him.
And I put "forgiving" in quotes, because what my family calls "forgiving" has little to do with actual forgiveness, and everything to do with manipulation.
Michael Dotson wrote:Coming from a male perspective, I would tell him to his face what pissed you off about him and his dad. Maybe not all at once or with anger, but you gotta get this off your chest. You have a lot of emotion bottled up inside you. You gotta let that go and I know it's hard.
“Action on behalf of life transforms. Because the relationship between self and the world is reciprocal, it is not a question of first getting enlightened or saved and then acting. As we work to heal the earth, the earth heals us.” ~ Robin Wall Kimmerer
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"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16:33
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